After New Jedi Order, do you think they should make a all new alternitve Star Wars galaxy?

Make the SW books even less Star Wars than the NJO? No thanks. I think I'll pass.

 

Eh? What do you mean?

 

I think the only thing the success of the Ultimates shows is just how badly Marvel Comics has dropped the ball with their core properties.

The Ultimates series is good. But, the simple fact is, the Ultimates line is everything they should be doing instead with the core property, and it is unneeded.

The reason that the Ultimates is doing so well is not the idea, but because Marvel Comics ****** up the core universe so bad with Spider-man clone stories and X-Men continuity that's more complex than the fabric of the universe that people quit supporting it.

I see the Ultimates as nothing more than curing a symptom of a larger problem, not solving the problem itself.

Which is what I would also see an EU reboot as doing, as well.

 

Excellent post, 2ndQuest.

I, too, would not mind a continuous AU series, so long as it doesn't usurp the EU's position as the official continuation of Star Wars, or go Star Trek and be as equally real as the EU, only set in an alternate dimension (I HATE those things). I also would not want the EU dumped and all attention focused on the AU. If they were to do it as they do Infinities, except make all its stories continuous, I might be interested in it.

 

Star Wars 6554 I think Lucas does not care if the mane chacters from the movie die at all. He lets the people make there own storys into Novels. I would also love to see more star wars books after The New Jedi order. NEVER END STAR WARS!

 

black_saber: He does give the final yay, or nay on any EU decision.

Well, this whole concept is nothing new in Anime, off the top of my head I can think of a few that have had similer things happen:

1. Gundam (UC, Ac arecs ect...[May have been merged into one story with Turn-A Gudnam, I'm not sure though])

2. Zoids (May be radically diffrent times on the same world, I doubt it)

3. BubbleGum Crisis/BubbleGum Crisis 2040 (2040 is a remake of the original simply)

4. Tenchi Muyo (Theres the first OVA, a TV retelling in Tenchi Universe, another TV series called Tenchi in Tokyo, all in diffrent universes)

5. X (It's had 4 tellings, Manga, a movie, an OVA, and a new TV seres)

6. Dirty Pair/Dirty Pair Flash (Flash is basically a remake thats well, from what I know, dirtier)

7. Digimon (Not told in the US, but they are diffrent series with diffrent characters and sotry lines, following some of the same concepts)

8. Transformers (THe orginial and Armada are diffrent universes, there are more, I forget hte names)

9. Robotech/Macross, Soutehrn Cross, Mospeda (Three sereis were merged to make Robotech for America, most Robotech fans know this, and have no arguments about it)

10. Many of these and Anime in general are bassed of of Manga, (comic books) and thats really as close to Canon Wars as it gets.

My point is that having an alternite telling of the exact same story is nothing new, and can be done well. No real continuity arguments should occure, there diffrent versions of the same thing. Also, as to Canon or not, Star Wars would end up with two canons, the "Ultimate" one, and the "Original" one. Nop oen is more, or less official, they simply are.

 

This was a good topic. What happened to it?

 

Edit: Don't ask.

 

I don't like the whole concept of continuity. I think it is a straightjacket that stifles the creativity of the authors. For example, Tom Veitch had to make some changes to his Dark Empire trilogy so it would fit in with Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. One of the changes was having to make Leia pregnant, even though the story called for her to do some physically adventurous things that pregnant women don't do. It also required Han and Leia to already have children, resulting in some forced visits with them. If Veitch had had his way, Dark Empire would have been set only a few months after ROTJ, instead of six years later. Which highlights another problem: Why would the Emperor wait six years and allow Thrawn to run around like that? It would make more sense for the Emperor to reassert his authority shortly after Endor. And on and on it goes...

The pesky devil here is named Continuity. The authors have to file down many of their best ideas simply because Mr. Such-and-So wrote a comic six years ago that said Such-and-Such. Sorry! Your idea would contradict the established continuity. Here's a canned replacement idea we came up with in committee...

Blech.

 

I think the only way a new set of SW books would work was if George Lucas became very involved with the process. While he may be "approving" of some things in the EU, I don't think he's been given a full picture of exactly what is going on.

If, however, he sat down with a publisher and said "look, after ROTJ, these things happen and in this order", and had more control over the content of the books, it would be good.

Otherwise, you just get the EU: Redux...and nobody wants that.

Skywalker Child

 

Otherwise, you just get the EU: Redux...and nobody wants that.

You mean like noone wanted Avengers Redux, X-Men redux and Spiderman redux? Nobody told the people who are putting these top of the bestseller charts.

 

"One of the changes was having to make Leia pregnant, even though the story called for her to do some physically adventurous things that pregnant women don't do."

Actually pregnant women are capable of doing all sorts of things and did all sorts of strenuous things in the old times up to a certain point of the birth. It's just that in the modern society that men are overly protective of women, and try to make them rest all throughout the pregnancy because they believe the baby and the mother need to be protected.

Also where did you read that the change was to make Leia pregnant? As far as I've read he always intended to have leia pregant with a child. But he had to add in scenes that acknowledged her twins she had already. He also had to move the story past TTT because if he had his story before TTT, ttt would have contradicted it.

 

Valiento asked: "Where did you read that the change was to make Leia pregnant? As far as I've read he always intended to have Leia pregant with a child."

In an e-mail interview conducted by Mark Monroe, Tom Veitch said: "The Dark Empire series was originally supposed to take place directly after Return of the Jedi. Later, with the decision to create Star Wars novels, it was decided to move it to a period about six years after the Battle of Endor and the death of Darth Vader." [emphasis mine]

Based on that timetable ("DIRECTLY after Return of the Jedi"), I assumed there wasn't really time to have a pregnant Leia. I might, of course, have made an incorrect assumption.

 

IMHO (Sorry about overuse of this (Phrase), in all me' posts but ONLY just discovered what it means!) any new Star Wars material is good and welcome....

 

I think there are two options:

1. An entirely new post-ROTJ EU (Ultimate). Perhaps something which is set about 30 years afterwards which has a non-EU history i.e. Han and Leia have had a happy marriage without the burden of constant conflict. They are now background characters as a new generation picks up the torch...

2. An entirely new saga set a number of years after the NJO with an entirely new set of characters and NO cameos from Jagged Fel or whoever. i.e. Something which only acknowledges prior events in a very general sense, so it can be taken as something new by canonists and EU fans alike

In both cases there would have to be a well planned story arc crafted in advance with some LFL limitations on authors running wild with pet characters. No supervillain of the week and no rent-a-superweapon themed novels.
I think there should only be a new trilogy of books which provide the main thrust of the story and then other material, comics, character driven novels etc.. could be written around that.

Either way, it has to be something worthy of a Lucas envisioned future to the GFFA and he would need to be involved for any fans to take it seriously.

 

Has anybody read Star Wars: Infinites? It's in an alternitive universe, and it's awesome!

 

Has anybody read Star Wars: Infinites? It's in an alternitive universe, and it's awesome!

 

IMHO, I'd like to see one of three things happen:

1. They go back & fill in the gaps b/t ROTJ & VOTF (There's a LOT that could happen in that timespan). (Heck, there's a lot that could happen b/t ANH & ESB...)

2. They start a new universe that branches off from TTT that goes a completely different direction (preferably Vong-less).

or...

3. They declare the Vong storyline apocryphal & go a different direction starting at VOTF.

My personal preferences are 1. & 3.

(Tugging the waistband of my asbestos underwear). OK, flame away...

 

errr hasn't the gap between RotJ an VotF been filled with EU lit already? No harm in more I guess

 

why do some people want the vong storyline to be non canon?

I hope that they do make a large number of novels between ANH and VOTF...i would be so happy....

 

I'm sorry Qwert_Squadron but the...YV invading the GFFA is interesting however...it seems non-starwarish... ... It seems more like Star Trek and besides the GFFA has enough problems w/o the YV.

 

I'd love to see an Alternitive Star Wars galaxy. One with Jedi more like they are in the movies rather than Jedi that pass out using the Force and no Vergere!