Aftermath of Digital Yoda

I am trying to be less inciteful, and more understanding of my fellow posters. Thanks for noticing. I will reply to this post in more detail later on when I get home.

 

Well what bothers me is the fact that the Jedi Council itself seemed to be waffling on their own decision. Remember Qui Gon said "he is to be trained then?" and Mace emphatically says "no, he will not be trained. He is too old."

Then not 2 minutes later Yoda says "Skywalker's fate will be decided later."

I'm thinking, uh what just happened here? They had already made their decision regarding Anakin, Qui Gon throws a fit, and then they act as if their decision was never made? What gives?!?

Now I can see how they might have changed their minds after what Anakin did to the control ship of the trade federation. But if you go back and watch that scene in the temple with Qui Gon, it's as if their decision NOT to train Anakin was never even made in the first place.

 

Re: Yoda's opinion on Anakin's training

I always took it from the dialogue that Yoda was dead-set against Obi-Wan training Anakin. I think Yoda's motives for voicing his objections right up front was his hope that Obi-Wan would see reason and reconsider ("Agree with you taking on Young Skywalker as your padawan I do not!"), but Obi-Wan was adamant, defiant even. It was with an air of resignation that Yoda said, "Agree with you the council does." Interesting that he makes it clear that the decision is coming from the council while his objections where personal, almost as if to say, "I don't agree with this, but because I am the minority voice in the council, my objections have been overruled."

 

Thats all fine and dandy, but in AotC things have clearly done a 180, with Mace and Yoda now defending Anakin to Obi-wan instead of the other way around.

Obi-wan warned them that Anakin was not ready to be on his own, and they just shrugged it off.

 

That has to be taken in context. Yoda said the council was confident in its decision. What decision? The decision to assign Anakin the task of escorting Padme to Naboo. If you think about it, it was a simple task with relatively little risk. They are trying to push Anakin to accept more responsibility and are downplaying the concerns of an overly protective mentor.

Besides, Anakin has ten years of Jedi training under his belt. While Yoda may not have had confidence in a young child with great potential, he obviously feels differently now.

 

Yoda and mace aren't defending Anakin. Once they decided to train him, they have to follow through with it. At some point, Anakin has to learn how to make the right decisions on his own.

They weren't defending his arrogance, they were saying they have to allow him to make his own choices.

 

No, but in the context of what we see, it still seems a bit off from how we left things.

 

Well, Yoda does aknowledge the fact that Anakin's arrogance is a bad thing. In the cut scene with Mace Windu, he actually says that we must have faith that Anakin will make the right choice, which would have made this clearer.

But I don't see a problem with the way it is.

 

I don't understand why they aloud him to train if he was very "special". The jedi and suppost to bring pece no matter what and they ended up creating the fall of the Jedi. I just don't see how it could be so easy they are suppost to be unnaturally wise.

 

"Well, Yoda does aknowledge the fact that Anakin's arrogance is a bad thing. In the cut scene with Mace Windu, he actually says that we must have faith that Anakin will make the right choice, which would have made this clearer."

True. I think they should of left this scene in, there's a lot more info in it then the floating chair scene.

 

Nothing to do with the topic but If you look back at Yoda in ESB and ROTJ, everything Yoda says is pure gold in philosphy. The Newer Yoda doesn't have as many great lines. It seems to me that GL is mainly trying to make Yoda say things in backwords order than to have him say really good things (Example: AOTC: Begun the Clone Wars Have, ESB: Do or do not, there is no try).

 

MrHat,

I agree with you. It seems Yoda's character isn't QUITE the same in the PT. Of course you have to consider that in ESB he is bestowing all of his knowledge and wisdom on a wet behind the ears padawan (Luke).

In the PT he is usually among his peers so there really is no NEED for Yoda to spout off nuggets of wisdom. Can you honestly see Yoda telling Mace DO, or DO not! There is no try! Mace would say "uh, yeah Yoda I know. You gave me that lesson 30 years ago when I was youngling."

The one time he DOES share a nugget of wisdom is when he is talking to little Ani in TPM. Remember he says "Fear is the path that leads to the dark side! Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

Plus remember it was Yoda who admonished Obi Wan at the end of AOTC. He was the only one wise enough to see through the battle of Geonosis and realize it was no victory. Even Mace agreed with Obi Wan when he said "without the clones it would not have been a victory."

 

All I'll say is that I prefer the ESB Yoda over any other. The AOTC Yoda was good and I have no problem with him, I just prefer the ESB because it took more skill and talent IMO.

Btw, some have made some negative comments about the TPM Yoda. It was just a bad day for him on the set. He was retaining water. Give him a break.

 

Of course you have to consider that in ESB he is bestowing all of his knowledge and wisdom on a wet behind the ears padawan (Luke).

In the PT he is usually among his peers so there really is no NEED for Yoda to spout off nuggets of wisdom.

The one time he DOES share a nugget of wisdom is when he is talking to little Ani in TPM. Remember he says "Fear is the path that leads to the dark side! Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

Plus remember it was Yoda who admonished Obi Wan at the end of AOTC. He was the only one wise enough to see through the battle of Geonosis and realize it was no victory.

Very good, WookieDroppings.

 

I forgot about the whole fear is the path to the dark side thing, I really liked that. But still he could say more great things and he needs to give advice to Obi Wan and Anakin he needs to say gold. As for Mace he can say great stuff to Mace and Mace can say stuff back, I have yet to hear great wisdom from Mace. If I hear "to the foward command center take me!" One more time, I am going to snap.

 

Upping this in lieu of recent rumors that TPM will get re-released on DVD with a digital Yoda replacing the inferior puppet constructed for that film.

A spy report on millenniumfalcon.com states this is in the works.

How should the "new" TPM Yoda look in comparison to the wonderful AOTC digital Yoda? Identical model? Some modifications?