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PT Aftermath of the Yoda/Sidious fight ...

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by CLee, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. CLee

    CLee Jedi Padawan star 1

    Jun 18, 2017
    Why didn't Yoda then just team up with Obi-Wan to fight Sidious? Given how close he came to defeating Sidious on his own that seems a logical decision and next step.

    Did they think that Yoda barely escaping and Anakin surviving suggested that the Force wasn't with them at the time? That Vader or the Empire overall would provide Sidious with too much security for them to attack? Or that Yoda and Obi-Wan were most valuable as teachers to Luke and it would be too dangerous to risk losing one or both of them before they taught him?
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  2. Mandalorian Riddler

    Mandalorian Riddler Jedi Knight star 3

    Feb 27, 2018
    I think that Obi-Wan needed to deal with Anakin, I kinda feel like fair enough Yoda could've gone in with someone but.. likewise Anakin was a threat and Obi-wan saw the maybe opportunity that he would have to locate Anakin so he took it.
  3. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Nov 10, 2011
    Yoda didn't come close. He knocked Sidious back a little bit with the dark side, which only served to excite Sidious and leave him gleeful and cackling. Meanwhile, Yoda was thrown several stories to the ground and was obviously completely drained, in more ways than one. I'm not sure where this idea that Yoda almost beat Sidious comes from. It's very clear what the outcome was and why Yoda had to leave.
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  4. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

    Apr 18, 2013
    He tried and failed. The Dark side wasn't going to get weaker from then on but stronger and if the prophecy is correct then the Chosen One will destroy the Sith so at that point it was the children that were going to do that and so their roles were to protect them until the time was right.

    Anything else at that point would be folly.
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  5. Torib

    Torib Jedi Knight star 2

    Jan 27, 2016
    Also it's probably not realistic to assume that they would automatically be able to get a rematch with Sidious anyway. That is, I imagine security would have been tightened after Yoda was able to sneak in (and out) the first time. And even being present on Coruscant would probably be a fairly risky prospect for a pair of wanted fugitives.

    Aside from those considerations, I think Yoda also recognized that the tide of history or even the force itself was against them: Sidious's new Galactic Empire was popular enough, it seems, to sustain itself for a time. Better to wait until that tide had reversed (as it inevitably would). Spending their lives before then would have accomplished nothing.

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Feb 24, 2005
    When we next see Sidious, he’s surrounded by Clone Troopers. Suffice to say, the entire building was already on lockdown and swarming with troopers; hardly a place Yoda and Obi-Wan combined would be able to siege after just fighting their respective duels.
  7. ConservativeJedi321

    ConservativeJedi321 Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Mar 19, 2016
    I honestly don't think Obi-Wan would have lasted any longer than Agen Kolar against Sidious. (Kit Fisto at the most).
    Kenobi is tough, but he's not quite top tier.

    Maybe they could have teamed up against Vader, but as shown in the Film Sidous sensed when Vader was in danger and would have been there as fast as he could. Then things would be even more unpredictable, having to deal with both Sith at once.
    I'm inclined to think retreat was their best interest. Since their original plan failed, that is keep Master and apprentice separated, Yoda takes on Palpatine, Obi-Wan takes on his former apprentice. It is easy to believe nothing else they did at that point would have worked.
    Their was a reasonable chance based on what they both knew at the time, that their original plan might have succeeded. Heck, even the Emperor wasn't sure he could beat Yoda (He did try to flee after all). Since Anakin was Obi-Wans former apprentice, it also stood to reason Kenobi had the best chance against him. Knowing his strengths and weaknesses, surely having sparred numerous times before. When that failed, their options became limited.

    And those are just some of the reasons why going at together, either before or after wouldn't have worked.
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  8. Oissan

    Oissan Jedi Grand Master star 7

    Mar 9, 2001
    I agree, once Yoda fell down to the bottom of the senate the chance was over. It's not like he was no match for Palpatine, the two were basically even, but it's pretty hard to deal with the Emperor when his soldiers are also around. In such a duel you can't afford any distractions, and the clones definately would have been one. You can sneak in on Palpatine once, but if you fail, the place will crawl with troopers who are aware of the threat, which prevents a second chance.
  9. firesaber

    firesaber Jedi Master star 4

    Mar 5, 2006
    Yoda got owned and rightly chose discretion as the better part of valor. Obi-wan being part of the fracas would not have turned the tables based upon how many masters the Emperor dropped in seconds. That was pretty much their one opportunity as pointed out above. From there they would have not been able to get close to him for a round II.
  10. bizzbizz

    bizzbizz Jedi Knight star 3

    Dec 16, 2015
    yoda knew he wasn't strong enough to defeat the emperor so retreated to be there for the one who would be.
  11. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Knight star 4

    Nov 27, 2013
    Yoda was never close to defeat Sidious. Which is why he understood that he can't defeat him, he went into exile and gave up on fighting.
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  12. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 5

    Jul 7, 2009
    Wether he was close to defeat him or not is beside the point. Had the two of them gone to one of the Sith, the other would prepare and protect himself, which would make their plan of destroying the Sith virtually impossible to accomplish. They had to tackle both of them at the same time. That said, only two Jedi are in the same league as Sidious and able to face him: Yoda first and foremost, and then Mace.
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    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Nov 25, 2003
    This. I think they were both aware that as most of the Jedi had been killed off, they had very little support-whereas Sidious had all the clones with him now, not to mention other security forces. I'm sure they knew they had this short window of opportunity-and kind of a pass or fail moment. And if that failed, they simply would've had to regroup and bide their time till things got to the point where they could legitimately and safely fight back.
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  14. DarthTalonx

    DarthTalonx Jedi Knight star 4

    Nov 12, 2014
    I concur. Mace had Palpatine at the end of a lightsaber and being an honourable Jedi again offered the Sith Lord one last chance to surrender. If not for Anakin's betrayal then he would have succeeded in ridding the galaxy of the Sith menace.

    As for Yoda, I thought again Yoda came very close. It's when Sidious started the unsportsmanlike move of throwing objects at Yoda and keeping far away, that Yoda struggled. But yet again he managed to get close and even hold off Sidious' incredible barrage of lightning. I felt it was a stalemate at that point.

    I believe Yoda was simply unlucky when the two were blasted back by the shockwave. Palpatine fortunately had a railing to hold onto otherwise he too would have fallen and injured himself. Yoda had no railing and fell. Having also lost his lightsaber, and the fact that Imperial Troopers were en route, made his job harder to achieve victory.

    I think the last point is key. Mas Amedda had gone for Troopers who were on their way. Yoda might struggle to take on Palpatine plus having to defend himself against Troopers at the same time. Palpatine clearly was scared of Yoda. Yoda literally says "If so powerful are you, why leave?" So Palpatine clearly tried to leave if he could.
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