Amph Agents of SHIELD Discussion Thread (and Slingshot)

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Well... Hail Hydra

 

Basically what I expected to happen but still, hell yeah.

They have delivered for two episodes on a row. I hope we're in for an awesome season finale.

EDIT: s65horsey, you simply used the wrong tag. It's "spoiler", not "spoilers". Try again, it should work!

 

I try to be fair to this show. I will say this was the best episode of the series. However I guess my mind it already set on the series.

Thus this episode trying to be clever had me rolling my eyes. I called the ending twist and the turn of that character pretty much last episode. Atleast it makes that character more interesting, finally.

Reveal of bad guy we've been chasing all series, a big whatever to me. Didn't like how cartoony he played the villain. Redford played pierce straight.

And my lord did the Skye and ward scene in the closet make me want to puke.

I can say that the show has an interesting direction it can take. Way better than what the series has offered so far. Still show needs some new writers..

 

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Not sure Ward is Hydra... he didn't give the 'hail hydra' thing so maybe he's still on the fence about being evil.

Well Sitwell and Hand are both dead now, Blake is apparently not Hydra. And according to Hand she and Coulson were pretty much the highest ranked SHIELD agents left, so Hill must've left for Stark Industries pretty quick.

That said I did enjoy the humor moments. Garret telling everyone he liked Fitz, then telling his men to be sure to shoot him in the knee. Then Ward and Skye commenting on how they thought the blast would be bigger.

But this felt like a season finale and it's still going, gesh... they really did step up their game for the last half of the season.

Also the Hydra goons giving the 'hail hydra' yell right out of Captain America the First Avenger was great, got to love evil organizations that scream out their loyalty.

Also with Garret in charge of the Deathlok program... I think I can see how he'll become a cyborg now.

 

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So, about Ward: is he Hydra or is he not? I know all appearances point to an affirmative answer to that question, but the option that he may have been asked to go deep undercover by Coulson must be considered. I mean, Ward did look back at him before boarding, and I don't quite think that the scene with Skye was staged. In a way, it reminded me of the scene in Captain America when the plane's going down and all Steve can do is remember that he promised Peggy a dance. So, was Ward blatantly manipulating Skye's feelings, or simply storing whatever good memories he could make in case he needed to hold onto them in the future? The simple fact that he knows Skye will be there to "have a drink" with him, as it were, may be enough to sustain him through the hard times to come.

Lauré

 

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That would mean possibly, that Hand faked her own death to aid Ward. Maybe.

 

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Ward does like Skye for real, as that's most likely the one he meant when he blabbed under Lorelei's spell. I suspect his HYDRA allegiances might have something to do with his mysterious olde brother, but it might be as simple as being recruited by Garrett in the Academy.

And it's good that Hand died an anticlimactic death, like in the comics. Wait, not: this was way better than in the comics.

 

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Would Coulson sanction an op that required Ward to kill one of the highest ranked SHIELD agents left along with two other loyal agents? I mean Hand herself might sanction that... but Coulson? Not the new Coulson for sure.

And now Garret and Ward have the flashdrive with all the teams intel headed to where all they badguys they locked up are kept.

I think Ward does like Skye and does like his team... but he is loyal to Garret and by extension Hydra, and if he wants to protect Skye then he could do that best within Hydra.

Also I'm glad they showed that SHIELD academy was under siege too. It wasn't just the battle at the Triskelion wasn't isolated.

 

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Don't forget Falcon too, he was with the group Hill rescued with it,

 

Yeah, it was a waste.

 

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I'm not convinced she's dead but I really don't want Ward to be evil so maybe that's me wishful thinking but one of the shots of her lying on the floor kinda looked like it may have been a hint that she isn't dead and that Ward is going undercover.

 

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With Ward just staring at her and barely hearing Garret I think it was more him realizing the horror at what he did and knowing he's picked his side and what that means. I think Hand is really dead. But if she's not and Ward is some triple agent I won't be surprised either. At this point the twist could be he's some quintuple agent who is a Skrull.

 

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So with Hand gone is Coulson now the defacto leader of SHIELD? I mean who'd be left?

 

So any opinions about

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Trip as a (probably temporary) replacement for Ward?

 

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You know Hand pretty much foreshadowed her own death, she watched Ward execute the 'Clairvoyant' and said 'bet he didn't see that coming' and then Ward betrays and shoots her in the next episode and she definitely did not see that coming.

Also I'm now thinking Ward was ordered by Garret to kill the fake clairvoyant.

He might stay on, Ward might get killed off getting redemption or stay as a recurring villain. Heck the crazy theory he's part of the Zemo family is making more and more sense.

 

You know, I never realized that the HYDRA group in the show is the same as the Red Skull's army from the First Avenger movie. Huh.

 

All the spoiler stuff has already been thrown out there, so I'll just echo horsey's post from earlier. I think it sums everything up rather nicely....

 

This

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was awesome.

 

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Likely. Hand, at the very least had enough of a level of clearance within SHIELD that she'd likely have access to any knowledge they had about HYDRA, especially if some form of it was still active.

 

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Likely. If they also replaced Garrett's role as Coulson's buddy-cop by hiring Bruce Campbell, we'd be all set.

Quest: Yeah, they seemed to be pretty confident about how HYDRA worked, including the whole "cut off the head" principle. It wouldn't be that surprising if they'd at least knocked off a few cells in the early days of S.H.I.E.L.D., though that does raise the question of why they'd ever trust Zola.

Anyway, I'm just so glad this show is finally throwing us a real curveball and doing something with itself. It's still not great television, but it's putting itself together and it's finally doing bold and unexpected stuff that's moving its tone in the right direction.

 

I love what Brett Dalton(Ward) had done with his twitter page now.