PT "Agree with you the Council does"

Anakin's "insane arrogance"?

 

Yeah, one day I will be the most powerful Jedi ever qualifies as arrogance in my book.

 

Probably already answered, but Yoda never said the Council won't let Kenobi train him. The Council (by the majority) had already decided to train him, but Yoda was voicing his opinion to Obi-Wan in order to try to change his mind.

 

Yes, it was already answered. Thank you, nonetheless. I still think Yoda should have made everyone see how dangerous it was to let Anakin become a Jedi. I know the majority decided he would be trained by Obi Wan, but they should have really listened to Yoda.

 

"I will be the most powerful Jedi ever."



"Nope."

That's arrogance.

 

The Council felt that way when Anakin was introduced to them. However, that changed after they heard about his feats during the battle of Naboo and Qui-Gon's last request after his demise.

 

Lets not forget....

"I'M TAKING HIM NOW"



Poor Anakin

 

It's interesting how you left out Anakin's defeat of Dooku . . . or Obi-Wan's own arrogant assumption that he and Anakin would defeat Dooku in ROTS.

 

You totally miss the point I was going for. In AOTC, Anakin thought he was ahead of Obi-wan and kept boasting about that. Then reality comes crashing down when Dooku beats him in battle. That is the arrogance that is being talked about. I didn't mention ROTS, because it isn't germane to the point I was making.

 

That just made him arrogant. He wasn't the only one guilty of arrogance. Most of the major characters projected arrogance in one form or the other in the trilogy.

 

ITT there is contention over whether Anakin is insanely arrogant.

What an insane contention.

 

You really need a pair of glasses. I NEVER said that Anakin wasn't arrogant. I said that he wasn't the only one guilty of arrogance in the trilogy. Good grief!!

 

In AOTC, Yoda, Kenobi, and Windu discuss this very subject, Anakin's arrogance, and the fact that he's not the only one.

Kenobi: "His abilities have made him, well, arrogant."
Yoda: "Yes...a flaw more and more common among Padawans. Hmmm. Too sure of themselves they are. Even the older, more experienced ones."

 

That's not really a good example, because he was better than Obi-Wan against Dooku.

Anakin's arrogance comes from thinking he's better than everybody in everything in every situation. It happens to be true most of the time, but not all of the time. He is the Chosen One and he has power greater than any other Jedi alive, but it takes more than that to be a great Jedi.

 

On top of thinking it, he says it. A lot. And he's totally serious about it. That's a big no-no, for me.

Thinking he can stop death is probably the most glaring example.

 

The worst thing Anakin did in the name of arrogance was disobeying his master when confronting Dooku. After foolishly getting himself subdued, he left his master to fight alone against Dooku. He only somewhat redeemed himself when he jumped back in to save him, but the point is that it all could have been avoided if Anakin actually put Obi-Wan's judgement above his own.

Despite Anakin's power, Obi-Wan's patience was the one thing he never learned, and that ultimately cost him the duel at Mustafar.

 

There are so many things that this scene tells you about the Jedi of this time. Disregard for the future, and a dismissive outlook of how they do things are just a couple.

 

Quite the opposite.