All things Buffy and Angel; ep by ep rewatch and reviews

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  1. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    DEAD THINGS
    The Good;
    The tearful, incredibly intimate scene between Buffy and Dawn in bed. Also am I the only one who is charmed by Buffy confiding in Tara who seems to have blossomed once she split up from Willow? LOVE the Buffy/Tara scene at the end, how many times have you seen a character crying on her knees begging NOT to be forgiven?
    The Bad;
    Even with the 'happy' ending hugely depressing.
    Best line;
    Willow; "Shimmy on out when you're done lubricating"
    Women good/men bad;
    The Geeks show their horrid misogyny. Especially awful when they refer to Katrina's body as 'it'. We see the fault lines develop in the Troika as Andrew sides with Warren and Joanthon starts to pull away from them.
    Jeez!;
    The killing of Katrina is just awful beyond belief
    Kinky dinky; Where to begin? I've heard that SMG was no fan of the Spike/Buffy relationship, she found it demeaning and it's probably because of eps like this. SO packed full of sex and sexual metaphor with the scene at the Bronze astonishingly graphic (actually that's not true, we see absolutely NOTHING but Buffy and Spike's expressions convey so much you think you've discovered free cable porn by accident) .
    Altogether now, "BAZOMBAS!" The Geeks voyeurism at the bar and enslavement of Katrina, making her wear her ridiculously sexy French Maid outfit is funny, creepy, pathetic and sexy all at the same time. But overall just CREEPY! Her flat monotone voice is especially upsetting she really does come across as a human robot (how could anyone find that attractive?). I fast forwarded through this bit on my rewatch as it just makes me cringe. As Katrina says it is rape (although you'd wonder exactly what the Sunnydale Police would do with her allegation, it's not like she has any proof? There may be a test for rohypnol but not for the influence of Magic Orbs) Obviously we're supposed to think they're going to hypnotise Buffy and make her their 'willing sex bunny' and it's been the subject of much fanfic not least because Buffy would have cleaned their clocks once the effects wore off, Katrina would still be alive and in some ways meaningless sex with them would still have been healthier than Spike? (read one very clever one where the effects of the orbs wears off but Buffy keeps playing along anyway, turning the tables on the Geeks by exploiting them as an occasional guilt-free booty call).
    Katrina refers to April the sexbot as Warren's 'wind up slut'.
    Buffy and Spike on the crypt floor is full of mixed messages. They missed the bed, again. Spike says Buffy 'Makes it hurt in all the wrong places' and says she's an 'animal' (which Buffy denies, her Buffy side struggling against her Slayer essence?) and Spike asks if she'd like to see the bitemarks? "You're amazing" and "You get the job done yourself". However Buffy seems to draw the line at handcuff sex, she sometimes likes Spike but she NEVER trusts him (and events will prove her right). We later see in her dream sequence that Spike is the one wearing the cuffs BUT she flinches guiltily later when Anya remarks that she's been 'all tied up' so I think it's open to debate as to whether she wore them or not. Anya also refers to Buffy 'pounding the big evil'. Their sex is so powerful Buffy loses the ability to use her legs for a while afterwards.
    Exactly what sort of sex do Buffy and Spike have at the Bronze? Exhibitionist certainly but what of Spike's goes where in Buffy precisiely ? I've heard one of the writers has previously stated it's conventional sex but it doesn't look like that to me, it looks like something much more kinky, intimate and taboo (Buffy even remarks beforehand that she needs 'More lubrication'!?)
    A LOT more importantly this is the ep the Spike-defenders always refer to in regard to the later rape scene, she goes 'Don't' but he presses on saying 'Stop me' and she succumbs and melts into bliss like they're Rhett and Scarlet on the staircase or something. I don't buy it, when Buffy says "Don't" she doesn't necessarily want him to stop. When she starts crying, struggling, shaking a
  2. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    OLDER AND FAR AWAY

    The Good;
    Everything with Halfrek who I really like for some reason. Clem really comes into his own as a character here for the first time. Tara and Willow start to get back together and I also adore Sophie. Once again contrast Tara standing up to Spike and Anya here with the shy girl in 'Hush', she really has grown tremmendously.
    The Bad;
    Note there's a Sunnydale High Razorbacks pennant behind Halfrek in her office. But Dawn doesn't go to Sunnydale High (yet). The potion that Tara mixes up to try to break the spell looks like she's trying to make a chocolate cake.
    Best line;
    Spike; "I had a muscle cramp, Buffy was helping"
    Tara; "A muscle cramp. In your pants? You might want to put some ice on that"
    Women good/men bad;
    Anya implies that Halfrek has 'daddy issues'
    Jeez!;
    Upsetting to watch Anya have her panic attack.
    Kinky dinky;
    Richard, the handsome guy Xander has set Buffy up with, even Tara thinks he's cute. Dawn not only in leather for the first time but check out her miniskirt, fishnets and knee boots at the party, Joyce's little girl all grown up! (Eliza Dushku always complained that she got a lot of fanmail from guys in prison and couldn't believe that they showed a TV series full of hot teenage girls to incarcerated criminals. You shudder to think what kind of letters MT must have recieved). Spike asks Buffy if she'd like to 'blow out his candle'? Willow's back massager present for Buffy is certain to provide 'Instant gratification for all aches' (anyone else think of Samantha and her 'back massager' from Sex and the City?)
    Captain Subtext;
    Clem also thinks Richard is cute. In many ways he comes to resemble Buffy/Dawn's gay/demon male friend. Tara calls Buffy 'Sweetie'. They also refer to telling everyone their big secret and deciding it's time to 'Come out'. They probably mean Buffy's affair with Spike but what really happened after Buffy collapses into Tara's arms at the end of 'Dead Things'? Might she have jumped on the sapphic bandwagon a few years before Satsu? Taffy anyone?
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Xander cut but Richard is the only one to go to hosptial.
    Missing scenes;
    Reputedly a scene was filmed where Buffy and Dawn run out of the house at the end but I prefer the subtle implication of the ending we have
    Apocalypses; 6
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 1
    Dawn; 3

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 17
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 11
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2
    Kills: Buffy kills one demon
    Buffy: 103 vamps, 43 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 4 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 2
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 7
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1

    Recurring characters killed: 11
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina

    Sunnydale deaths;
    95

    Total number of scoobies:
    Xander, Willow, Buffy, Anya, Spike,

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 poss
  3. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    AS YOU WERE

    The Good;
    I never really liked Riley when he was a regular but in small doses I find him much more agreeable (and indeed feel the same way for Connor on Angel)
    The Bad;
    One thing that always shakes me about this ep is that Riley's wife Sam looks so much like Warren's ex Katrina. Also rather a spoiler when Marc Blucas' name appears in the opening credits. Have a look at the scene where the demon attacks on Main Street Sunnydale, the couple sitting at the coffee shop don't react at all. Since when does Sunnydale have this huge dam just outside it? Why do Riley and Buffy have to dump most of their weapons to go down on the line together, can't they just go down one at a time?
    Best line;
    Buffy (staring shocked at Riley);"Were you always this tall?" (yes which is one of the reasons he and petite Buffy were so ridiculous as a couple)
    Women good/men bad;
    Riley says he is in command of Sam. She says 'He wishes'. Buffy says she's not defined by who's she with, the beginning of her cookie dough philosophy.
    Jeez!;
    Kinky dinky;
    Riley walks in on Buffy and Spike. Buffy changes in front of him but he doesn't look (seen it all before?). Buffy and Spike against the tree right in the open outside the Summer's house. Some very risque comments about 'Letting you in' and 'Come outside' that could be open to interpretation. But Buffy's 'He's not getting any gentler' remark gives a different aspect to all this, it seems almost joyless for her. According to Spike he and Buffy have sex for five hours straight but this is the last time they ever will.
    Captain Subtext;
    Xander is starting to dream of flower bouquets. Riley comments that he's seen enough of Spike's 'dead body' for one night. Willow comments how as a little girl she used to dream about marrying Xander but now seems glad to have ducked the bullet. After the events of 'Older and Farther Away' Buffy and Dawn seem much closer, getting on better, Dawn happy to go to school and kissing an ecstatic Buffy before she leaves.
    Spike seems to revel in flashing his nakedness in front of Riley, prompting him to comment that 'I've seen enough of your dead body for one evening'. Anya comments that if Xander is such a big fan of Riley he should just marry him. Buffy says she loves Riley's wife too.
    Once again Buffy says of guns "These are never useful" foreshadowing the end of the season.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Riley's glad to be back in Sunnydale where he knows who to beat for information. Spike objects to Riley's search of his crypt as unconstitutional.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 6
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 1
    Dawn; 3

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 17
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 11
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2
    Kills: one vamp and a dozen demons for Buffy. Weirdly the vamp wears a peace symbol on his jacket.
    Buffy: 104 vamps, 55 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 4 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 2
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 7
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1

    Recurring characters killed: 11
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina

    Sunnydale deaths;
    93

    Total number of scoobies:
    Xander, Willow, Buffy, Anya, Spike,

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preyi
  4. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    HELLS BELLS

    The Good;
    Love Buffy's stalling (who knew SMG could juggle?). How beautiful is Anya in her wedding dress? Although her facemask makes her look like some sort of matrimonial superhero?

    The Bad;
    What a shame we don't get to see Xander and Anya's bachelor/bachelorette parties. Surely all of Anyanka's magic was undone when Giles smashed her necklace. By it's nature a depressing episode due to it's ending.

    Best line;
    Buffy; "So anyone here from out of town?"

    Women good/men bad;
    Anya's vows don't promise to obey Xander because he's not a sea Captain (Hello sailor!). Xander's dad has a nastily misogynist rant against his wife in particular and women in general.

    Jeez!;
    Xander killing Anya which thankfully isn't real

    Kinky dinky;
    Uncle Rory latches onto a nubile young waitress. Virginal Dawn is offered "Hymen's greetings" by D'Hoffryn. Dawn describes Spike's date as a '"Total skank!". Xander's dad likes Buffy's 'chassis' and wonders what's under the hood? Anya wants to be Xander's 'sex poodle'.

    Captain Subtext;
    Willow refers to noted bi actress Marlene Deitrich. Will says that Xander looks great in his tux but quickly adds that she realised she was gay. Halfrek and Anya seem to compete for D'Hoffryn's affection like two little girls with their father but he informs them 'I love all my demons equally'. Willow and Tara end up under the table together (and they haven't even been drinking)

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Scoobies to the ER;

    Missing scenes;

    Apocalypses; 6

    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 1
    Dawn; 3

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 17
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 11
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2

    Kills: 1 demon for Xander
    Buffy: 104 vamps, 55 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 2½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 4 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 2
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 7
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1

    Recurring characters killed: 11
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina

    Sunnydale deaths;
    93

    Total number of scoobies:
    Xander, Willow, Buffy, Anya, Spike,

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost: Spike has a very goth date for the wedding, a parody of the Spikettes?
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 1 Buffy
    Spike; good or bad?
    Tries to make Buffy jealous but eventually leaves with some dignity

    Dawn in peril; 8

    Dawn the bashful virgin; 7 "Hymen's greeting!"

    What the fanficcers thought;
    What were the bachelor/bachelorette parties like? http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3106151/1/The_Last_Night

    Questions and observations;
    We finally meet Xander's family. Unlce Rory is a drunken letch (Irish coffee for breakfast?) but quite likeable as is cousin Carol and her daughter, his pa
  5. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    NORMAL AGAIN
    The Good;
    Some great acting from SMG, lovely to see Kristine/Joyce again. Also I really like the idea of Tara to the rescue, so lovely that she get's to play the hero for once.
    The Bad;
    Nothing bad, just a depressing ep
    Best line;
    Spike; "You didn't say it was a Glarg gul cashmanik demon!"
    Xander; "Because I can't pronounce Glarg gul..."
    Women good/men bad;
    Jeez!;
    Not the ep if you don't like needles, including Willow snapping the demons stinger off
    Kinky dinky;
    Xander queries what exactly Buffy means when she says 'Poked'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Will sees Tara smooching with another girl but it might be just platonic. Spike uses the term poof of Xander. Also see Missing Scenes. Buffy says that once you fall for Willow you stay fallen.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Rather ruthless that Xander just wants to go down to the basement and execute the demon
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    (reputedly)
    BUFFY: I could wrestle naked in oil for a living and still be cleaner than after a shift at the Doublemeat.
    WILLOW: Plus I'd come to visit you every single day.
    Apocalypses; 6
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage: Xander, Willow and Dawn all tied up
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Xander and Tara
    Buffy: 17
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 12
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2
    Tara; 1
    Kills: 1 demon for Buffy
    Buffy: 104 vamps, 55 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 4 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp

    Scoobies go evil: the Buffster herself
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 2
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies: insane Buffy
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1

    Recurring characters killed: 11
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina

    Sunnydale deaths;
    93

    Total number of scoobies: no more Anya, we must assume she's out of the gang for the time being
    Xander, Willow, Buffy, Spike,

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 1 Buffy
    Spike; good or bad?
    Spike helps save Buffy. He abuses Xander but for once he's justified, Xander seems to go out of his way to vent his anger by picking a fight with Spike who for once has a viable comeback to use against him.
    Dawn in peril; 9 yes but in fairness the same as everyone else. She seems pretty resourceful both against evil-Buffy and the demon in the basement.
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 7
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Obviously a lot of fic in this regard but I have 3 favourites. In one Buffy wakes up as an old woman in the asylum and promptly chucks herself out the window. The paramedics wonder why this dead old lady has such a smile on her face whilst back in the Buffyverse Dawn wakes Buffy up to join her friends for breakfast. Number 2 also has the same premise but in this on
  6. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    ENTROPY
    The Good;
    Anya's hilarious attempts to take vengence on Xander. The Geeks vamphunting. Buffy and Dawn the happiest they've been together in a long time. But best of all Willow and Tara back together.
    The Bad;
    Not much, a lot more fun than recent eps. You do feel bad for Anya though.
    Best line;
    Anya; "What kind of lesbians are you? If you love men so much, go be with men!"
    Women good/men bad;
    Actually Tara and Willow are fine with guys liking the girl/girl action and understand completely much to Anya's disgust. Anya is perfectly justified in her rage at Xander. Halfrek has cursed a man who refuses to pay child support to recieve a paper cut each time he touches paper (in many ways Halfrek is much more merciful than Anyanka?). She also comments on Anya's whole 'female power take back the night thing'. Xander actually says the old relationship cliche 'It's not you it's me'. Anya comments on her 'changing to please' Xander.
    Jeez!;
    Jonathon tells Warren to leave him alone with his experiment or they'll be 'Deader than an ex-girlfriend'. Stick it in and break it off why don't you?
    Kinky dinky;
    The Troika and the Scoobies voyeuristically watch Anya and Spike at the Magic Shop via the nerd's cameras. Anya describes men as having been 'riding roughshod over Buffy' for years. She describes Xander as 'bumpy in the right places' and says she has a sexy dance. Spike says Anya's the only Scooby he'd consider biting but we know that's a lie from Buffy and Willow in 'Lover's Walk'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Tara and Willow say they don't hate men and are all about the girl/girl action. As Andrew watches Spike and Anya at the Magic Shop rather than comment on the hot girl he thinks Spike is cool. As with Hell's Bells Buffy might want rid of Spike but is not too keen on him immediately taking up with another girl. Buffy and Dawn seem a lot closer this ep, partly as a measure of big sis' guilt over Normal Again. Buffy confides in Dawn about her and Spike but not the others who have to find out for themselves. Willow tells Tara about the wig lady monster and says what we were all thinking about it's appearance. Spike calls Xander a ponce. Anya observes that none of the Scoobs speak their mind which is true. And Willow and Tara get all kissy, awwww!
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Anya wants to talk about torture
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 6
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 17
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 12
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2
    Kills: 2 vamps Buffy
    Buffy: 106 vamps, 56 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 2½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 4 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp

    Scoobies go evil: I wouldn't class Anya as evil just yet
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 2
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies: Demon Anya
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 11
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina

    Sunnydale deaths;
    93

    Total number of scoobies:4
    Xander, Willow, Buffy, Spike,

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost: Now, Buffy rema
  7. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
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    star 4
    SEEING RED
    The Good;
    The Orb theft and the wonderful battle between Buffy and the Troika. Tara and Willow getting back together and Dawn's delighted reaction to it. And Anya still looking for the vengence.
    The Bad;
    Not so much bad as the ending and the bathroom scene are just shocking. Contrary to common belief you can see the jetpack under Warren's jacket as he's fighting Buffy although you wonder how Jonathon didn't notice? Warren doesn't so much abandon Andrew, he flies off and expects Andrew to follow him.
    Best line;
    Jonathon; (arrested and taken to the police station) "Uh oh. The BIG house"
    Women good/men bad;
    Anya's latest victim had her boyfriend cheat on her with her sister. Spike forcing himself on Buffy on the bathroom floor, rape the crime that subjugates women and demeans men. Waren calls Buffy 'superbitch'.
    Jeez!;
    I find the bathroom scene just unwatchable, Buffy's terrified, tearful pleading is just heartrending. So brutally realistic compared to what we saw between Darla and Angel in 'Reprise'. You also feel sorry for poor Buffy hurting her back. Sure she has Slayer healing but it still HURTS! Andrew actually yells "Kill her! Kill her!". Tara and Buffy shot, Willow soaked in Tara's blood.
    Kinky dinky;
    Spike's awful ravishing Buffy on the floor of the bathroom (if we don't count the Master the 6th time Buffy has been sexually assaulted unless someone can correct me?). Xander considers incest unsexy (and so say all of us!) although given some of the things he's fantasised about in the past you wonder if he'd turn down group sex with Jonathon's blonde Swedish twins from Superstar? Or with Buffy/Joyce/above-the-age-of-consent Dawn? The geeks have sexy action figures in their lair including interestingly Vampirella. Tara and Willow in their sheets. Check out Xander chatting up the beautiful girl in the bar, he's come a long way since High School. Xander refers to Buffy searching for hidden cameras as 'The spring poking'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Buffy seems quite intrigued by the Vampirella action figure in the Geeks lair. Andrew's desire to get his hands on Warren's orbs. You wonder who the Klingon love poems are written by and dedicated to? "He never really loved...hanging out with us". Willow and Tara give us a good idea of exactly what they got up to after the candle went out in New Moon Rising much to Dawn's delight "I love you guys!". When Willow and Tara say they'll stop kissing Dawn tells them 'Oh you'd better not'. Will says to Tara "Yes mam!". Spike and Buffy have discussion about the nature of love, Spike saying that it burns and consumes, Buffy saying that such fiery love doesn't last. Willow had an inkling something was going on between Spike and Buffy. You rather get the idea that Spike hangs around with Clem because he's lonely, Buffy might have sex with him but she doesn't actually like him, she doesn't want to talk with him or watch Knightrider marathons (Spike seems like a fan, mentioning KITT in a season 5 Angel ep). Buffy emasculates Warren by 'smashing his orbs'.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Xander get's pretty bloody from Warren's punch and Buffy's nasty backache and bruise. Buffy and Tara shot at the end.
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 6
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage: astonishingly Tara gets through three years as a Scooby without being tied up even once! (unless that's something she and Willow are into?)
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 17
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 12
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2
    Tara; 1
    Kills: 1 vamp Buffy
    Buffy: 107 vamps, 56 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons,
  8. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

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    star 5
    I don't recall Buffy being sexually assaulted once outside of this episode, let alone six times...
  9. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Buffy got sexually assaulted by hyena possessed Xander in The Pack, by Cam and then the rest of the mutated swimteam in Go Fish, by in the closet and pirate Larry in Halloween and now by Spike. The Master certainly paws her and they both seem to derive sexual pleasure from him biting her (penetrating her body with his fangs?). Arguably there's also the case to be made for the Shadowmen's demon in Get It Done but we'll cross that bridge when we come to that ep.


    VILLAINS
    The Good;
    DarkWillow saving Buffy then her relentless pursuit of Warren. The Geeks in jail, the heartbreaking scenes with Buffy, Dawn and Xander.
    The Bad;
    Surely the Sunnydale police must need to get lengthy witness statements from Buffy and Xander? Wouldn't they hang around the house after the paramedics report the shooting? Buffy appears to have heart surgery yet keep her top on. Also the bullet seems awfully high in her chest to have damaged her heart.
    Best line;
    Xander; "I've had blood on my hands all day, blood of people I love"
    Women good/men bad;
    Everything that comes out of Warrens mouth. DarkWillow states that he has a big thing about the Slayer because he wants to dominate powerful women (which would explain a lot of the nastier fanfic out there)
    Jeez!;
    Willow skins Warren, god damn!
    Kinky dinky;

    Captain Subtext;
    Jonathon is very nervous of his prospects in prison, especially as he's heard that prisoners like lovers with small hands like their girlfriends? Andrew by contrast is suprisingly blase(?) Clem says he's been dying to see The Wedding Planner?
    Guantanamo Bay;
    DarkWillow tortures Warren
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Buffy to the operating table. You wonder if DarkWillow saved Buffy or if the surgeons or Slayer healing would have done it anyway?
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 6
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Buffy on the operating table
    Buffy: 18
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 12
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;3
    Dawn; 2
    Tara; 1
    Kills: DarkWillow kills Warren (or does she if you read the comics?)
    Buffy: 107 vamps, 56 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 4 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp

    Scoobies go evil: Willow and how! I almost think that what's more disturbing is the way DarkWillow just leaves Tara's corpse lying there on the floor soaked in her blood, compare that with Dawn who stays with the body of the girl she loves because she doesn't want her to be alone.
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 2
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies: DarkWillow
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths;
    94

    Total number of scoobies: 2- by the end of this ep Willow's well and truly gone, Dawn still not fully part of the team, sent to hide with Clem, only Xander and Buffy remain. The scoobies at their fewest since 'Welcome to the Hellmouth'.
    Xander, Buffy,

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
  10. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    GRAVE
    The Good;
    My all time favourite ep of Buffy is 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered'. My all time favourite scene is the ending of 'Forever' where Buffy and Dawn collapse into each other's arms. And my all time favourite Buffy moment is when Xander confronts DarkWillow and that first tear rolls down her cheek. And in that second you realise he's got her, that everything is going to be all right after all. Makes me cry every time. First saw it at a convention where they played Enrique Ingliseas' song 'Hero' over it and it was wonderful.
    And little Dawnie swordfighting side by side with big sis Buffy, makes me cheer every time! Also love Willow's 'Fly my pretty!'. You'd think they'd have tried the whole bucket of water routine on her?
    The Bad;
    Although there's supposed to be a limitless amount of root monsters you can see there's actually only 4.
    Best line;
    DarkWillow (dismissively) "This is your master plan? Telling me that you love me?" (Yep and it's BRILLIANT!)
    Women good/men bad;
    Jeez!;
    Spike and the beetles, urgh!
    Kinky dinky;
    Willow (upon Giles' entrance) "Uh oh, daddy's home. I'm in trouble now" Yes you are my dear, prepare for one magical spanking. Dawn finally learns of what Spike tried to do to Buffy.
    Captain Subtext;
    Buffy says that Dawn will be beautiful and powerful. Face it Buff, she already is. Andrew and Jonathon seem very wary of the trucker who gave them a lift. Spike calls the demon a 'ponce'. Check out Anya and Buffy flocking into Giles' arms like a couple of excited little girls happy to see their daddy home.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7, Willow wants to destroy the world, come a long way since the softer side of Sears
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Buffy and Anya knocked out again plus Xanderx2
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 14
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 3
    Tara; 1
    Kills: Spike kills 2 demons as does Buffy whilst Dawn kills one
    Buffy: 107 vamps, 58 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths;
    94

    Total number of scoobies: 3-Giles is back
    Xander, Buffy, Giles

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Spike; good or bad?
    Dawn in peril; yep, down the hole 11
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Liked the one where DarkWillow do
  11. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 20, 2005
    star 5
    That isn't it?
  12. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    If your serious then no, Spike went to get his soul back, we were double bluffed

    So here we are, the final season of the best TV show ever. Time's almost caught us, only 22 more eps to go. Although in fairness that's the equivalent of 7 full length feature films. Personally I think this was the right place to end it, season 7 feels right, always been my lucky number.
    LESSONS
    The Good;
    Love Dawnies' first patrol and first day at SDH, so cool. The line up of baddies at the end is superb, they're so lucky they could get them all.
    The Bad;
    Really dislike the scenes of the Potentials being killed, if it were anyone but Joss I'd say it was misogyny. Dawn seems to make a couple of friends at the end of the ep but they never occur again.
    Best line;
    Dawn; (sadly, after Buffy has embarrassed her in front of the whole class) "I also have a sister"
    Women good/men bad;
    The First as Warren very dismissive of Buffy
    Jeez!;
    Even though it's only implied the zombie stabbing Dawn with the pencil is wince inducing. The killing of the potentials is also horrible.
    Kinky dinky;
    Buffy comments on the hotness of Spike and Angel. The zombie guy wants to date Dawn, well she's already gone out with one dead guy and had a crush on another. Willow seems disappointed that Giles didn't put her in a dungeon and torture her. He asks her if she wants to be punished? (Surely if there was ever a time for Gillow this is it?)
    Captain Subtext;
    Spike was once caned at school (presumably when human)
    Guantanamo Bay;
    A little anti-French racism from Anya.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Reputedly they filmed a scene where Dawn decides to tell her real life story to her class, love to see that, roll on Buffy/Angel; Special Edition DVDs.
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Dawnie
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 14
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills: 1 vamp for Buffy
    Buffy: 108 vamps, 58 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths; the 3 poor folks in the basement
    97

    Total number of scoobies: 3 the Dawnster is finally part of the Scoobies, about time too
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Spike; good or bad?
    Don't have to ask that any more, not now he has his soul back
    Dawn in peril; 12 isn't she al
  13. Jedi Merkurian ST Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    Love how Giles pulled a Dr. Strange in "Grave."
  14. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

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    Heh, never would've guessed that. I just guessed from his crying out that it was a surprise to him.
  15. Jedi Merkurian ST Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    More like surprised at how painful it is.
  16. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    Spot on! But you'll have to explain the Dr Strange ref to me?

    BENEATH YOU

    The Good;
    All the Spike/Buffy stuff and some nice scenes with Xander and a potential love interest (maybe she wasn't demony enough for him?). Also love Dawn threatening Spike
    The Bad;
    More dead potentials, ugh! Stupid looking worm, I expected something more Tremors. Also it attacks Nancy in her house but then just goes away? The mad Spike and Buffy scene at the end goes on too long.
    Best line;
    Spike; "When did your little sister become unbelievably scary?"
    Women good/men bad;
    Anya still tempting the scorned
    Jeez!;
    Spike punching Anya isn't nice
    Kinky dinky;
    Xander lists unwanted pregnancy as one thing Buffy will have to help the high school pupils with. Spike refers to 'Getting it hard and servicing the girl'.
    Anya exclaims "Oh penis!"
    Captain Subtext;
    The little look Spike and Xander give each other when Nancy wonders if any Scoobies haven't slept with one another. Once again virginal Dawn is threatened by a huge phallic symbol. Anya calls her latest dupe 'Honey'.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy knows that a bastinado is a hardwood club used to torture prisoners in Turkey. Giles would be proud.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 14
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills:
    Buffy: 108 vamps, 58 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths;
    94

    Total number of scoobies: the Dawnster is finally part of the Scoobies, about time too. Great line when Dawn says assemble the gang and Xander points out that the 3 of them ARE the gang.
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Spike; good or bad?
    Dawn in peril; 11
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Questions and observations;
    Lovely moment with Xander and Buffy in the car when he tells her the SDH kids are lucky to have her. The worm rather reminds me of an old horror film call 'Blood Beach'. Spike has his old hair back, he gradually resembles himself more and more over the season. Love Buffy's Daisy Duke line "Where I go to get my scorn on!" Always thought Nancy was the same girl who was a White-hat
  17. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SAME TIME SAME PLACE

    The Good;
    Some lovely emotional stuff between Willow and her friends, some funny stuff with Anya and Willow but best of all paralysed Dawn is hysterical, especially love the remote control gag.
    The Bad;
    Not much
    Best line;
    Dawn (unable to move her lips) "Stop talking about vomit!"
    Women good/men bad;
    Jeez!;
    Skinned vandals and eyeless Gnarl. Gnarl cutting Willow and eating her flesh in front of her is awful.
    Kinky dinky;
    Captain Subtext;
    Dawn wonders when anyone in the Scoobs are ever going to ask for help when they need it, still some emotional baggage from Normal Again. Anya observes that the spell she and Willow do is a 'little sexy'. Willow seems to agree then catches herself on. Note Anya wants to do more spells afterwards but Willow refuses.Why not Winya? They could both share Xander between them and he'd sure be happy. Remember Anya eschewed the company of men for a thousand years, maybe she and Halfrek were more than just friends?
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Nope, Willow heals herself
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 14
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills: 1 demon for Buffy
    Buffy: 108 vamps, 59 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths; the vandal
    98

    Total number of scoobies: the Dawnster is finally part of the Scoobies, about time too
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Spike; good or bad?
    Dawn in peril; 12
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Anya places Dawn in a Girl Scout pose, read more than a few dodgy fanfics over the years that place her in THAT uniform!

    Questions and observations;
    Nice that we still have Joyce's picture scattered around the house but who are the couple in the pic by the phone? Aunt Arlene? Grandma and grandpa Summers? Note the scorched mummy hand in the box Anya brings from the Magic Box. Dawn seems to be a CSI fan. Surely she hardly needs high heels she already towers over all the other girls.
    Marks out of 10; 7/10

  18. Jedi Merkurian ST Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

    Manager
    Member Since:
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    star 6
    "But you'll have to explain the Dr Strange ref to me?"

    Stephen Strange, MD is the Sorcerer Supreme of the Earth dimension in Marvel Comics. A commonplace gambit of his when dueling was for an enemy to think they've defeated him, only for him to go "Ha! I meant for you to do that, because it leaves you susceptible to (this magical effect)!"
  19. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Ah, I live and learn

    HELP

    The Good;
    A real heartwarmer/wrencher, some lovely stuff here. And Willow visiting Tara's grave. Plus Amanda!
    The Bad;
    Can we really believe that jerk face wouldn't be interested in a girl as gorgeous as Dawn?
    Best line;
    Buffy the Student Counsellor; "...and all that shi...guff!"
    Women good/men bad;
    The SDH boys are loathsome scum who want to sacrifice Cassie for their own greed. They need a damn good killing! Cassies dad is a drunk but loves his daughter and would never hurt her. Cassie's friend Mike thinks making boy's crazy is part of girl's job.
    Jeez!;
    Threatening Cassie with the meat cleaver, ugh!
    Kinky dinky;
    Xander thinks Googling is some form of sexual act? Cassie speaks of her unused thighs in her poetry.
    Captain Subtext;
    One student fears that they're gay but it might just be an excuse to date Buffy. Willow tells Xander she's 'over you sweetie'. However she also used to write Doogie Howser fanfic (Alysson Hannigan now starring with Doogie Howser himself aka Neil Harris in 'How I met your mother' wonder if that was on the cards when they wrote this?)
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy threatens the student with coins in his locker who reminds me a LOT of Jonathon.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 14
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills: 1 vamp and 1 demon for Buffy
    Buffy: 109 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths; poor Cassie but like Joyce through natural causes
    99

    Total number of scoobies: 4, welcome Willow back to the gang
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Spike; good or bad?
    Dawn in peril; 12
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Read a lovely one once where in order to honour Cassie's memory Dawn takes Mike to the winter dance in her place and they have a wonderful time.
    Questions and observations;
    Amanda for the first time, by a long chalk my favourite potential, I think she's just wonderful. Surely Tara's gravestone should have an epitaph? Glenn Mornoshower who plays Cassie's dad is one of those actors you see EVERYWHERE in films and tv. Buffy borrows Dawn's clothes, suprised they're not too tall for her. Dawn'
  20. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 20, 2005
    star 5
    I really don't get the Michelle Trachtenberg love. She's pretty damned ugly, especially when compared to SMG.
  21. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    BLASPHEMY!

    MT is gorgeous, check her out in Eurotrip. Came 86th on Maxim's hottest 100

    http://www.maxim.com/girls/todays-girl/77338/michelle-trachtenberg.html#9
  22. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SELFLESS
    The Good;
    Lovely to see Anya singing in her gorgeous wedding dress again. Great scenes between Anya and Halfrek, wonderful Swedish scenes and a terrific ending. Also like Buffy's busy school day.
    The Bad;
    ?
    Best line;
    Villager; "Pelt him with fruits and various meats!"
    Women good/men bad;
    D'Hoffryn kills Halfrek to spite Anya, almost like killing one of his daughters. What the Frat boys do to the girl is horrible but doesn't warrant having your heart torn out.
    Jeez!;
    Frat boys with their hearts ripped out! Not the ep for you if you're arachnaphobic (we know Willow is from 'Nightmares' but she appears to keep it in check)
    Kinky dinky;
    Love Will's miniskirt and booties, you forget what a hot momma-yomma she can be sometimes! Buffy comments that Anya 'boned a troll' whilst Anya refers to the 'sweaty' part of a relationship.
    Captain Subtext;
    Xander refers to himself as 'giddy' which even Willow comments isn't a very masculine term.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy is prepared to kill Anya for the greater good, Xander doesn't want to. Buffy makes a good point that Spike, Angelus, The Master etc never chose to be evil, Anya chose to become a vengence demon once again and poses an ongoing threat to humanity. Also do we doubt that Xander and certainly Giles would have killed Angelus in season 2 if they could have?
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    I would love to have seen the scene where D'Hoffryn looks at the slaughtered frat boys and says someone should phone Maxim and cancel 12 subscriptions, perhaps a comment on the Buffy/Angel girl's tendency to strip off and pose for that particular magazine seemingly at the drop of a hat (or a large cheque/free publicity for their upcoming projects?). Also interesting on the commentary is that they wanted Halfrek to appear to Anya in 'Conversations with Dead People'.
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: yep, Xander
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills: demon spider for Buffy
    Buffy: 109 vamps, 61 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil: Anya does although she's not technically a Scooby at this point
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: Halfrek but she's evil so she doesn't count-12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths; 12 frat boys dead but alive again by the end of the ep
    99

    Total number of scoobies: 4,
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 1 possible, Dracula(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and u
  23. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    HIM

    The Good;
    ALL OF IT! Just wonderful, love it to death, amongst many favourite bits have to be Dawn falling off the audience stands, Dawn's lapdance, Dawn's catfight, Buffy seducing RJ, the split-screen stuff, Spike and Buffy wrestling over the rocket launcher, Buffy subtly screwing Dawn over for RJ's affections, Xander's KISS plan for getting the jacket back, the list goes on!
    The Bad;
    Nada, it's all terrific! Actually rather stupid that D'Hoffryn has just 'changed his mind' and now wants Anya killed. BUT he might have just wanted her to suffer for a while or might be in league with The First? Then again the demon might be sent by someone else Anya wronged now that D'Hoffryn no longer protects her?
    Best line;
    Xander (reminding Spike of their 'plan') "Grab it!"
    Women good/men bad;
    RJ's dad used his enchanted jacket to seduce the girls (in fairness to RJ and his brother they don't know that, they just think they're popular because they're goodlooking football stars). One question that occurs, 23 year old teaching assistant Buffy seduces 16 year old RJ (statuatory rape in California) and it's every schoolboy's fantasy. Imagine if that was Dawn and a male staff member, what would we think?
    Jeez!;
    I know it's hysterically funny and a little bit sexy but Dawn's cheerleading routine just makes me cringe, you feel for her every time. Which of us haven't embarassed ourselves trying to impress the object of our affections? You also feel bad for Buffy when a distraught Dawn cuts up her outfit. Buffy implies that Joyce would be ashamed to see how Dawn is acting but rapidly realises that this is a step too far and takes it back. Then again when you look at Buffy and Spike and 'teenage' Joyce and Ripper on the hood of the police car in 'Band Candy' you wonder if she'd actually be shocked at all? Maybe it runs in the Summer's family?
    Kinky dinky;
    Dawn in a cheerleader costume (Xander hopes Buffy get's a new one), giving RJ a lapdance then has a great big girly catfight complete with hair pulling, scratching and rolling around on top of one another. Buffy puts on her plaid schoolgirl skirt (to make herself look younger?) and get's it on with RJ on the school desk. Buffy describes Dawn as a slut-bag/hussy and thinks should go down to the docks and wait for the fleet to come in. Is that how she supported herself in LA prior to getting her waitress job in 'Anne'? Or maybe why she no longer seems to need to work at the DMP despite her counsellor job only being part time? (for the cheap seats I am IN NO WAY serious! No more so than the bleached blonde Angel says Wes had sex with in season 2 actually being Spike or Willow and Cordy being in the closet together in School Hard means they're both gay so please don't whinge. Although come to think of it Willow....?) Buffy almost seems to indulge in ahem, self-stimulation when RJ walks away for the first time after putting the whammy on her. Xander thinks back nostalgically to the events of 'Bewitched, bothered and bewildered', nice to see Jenny, Joyce and human Harmony again (and the last time we'll see CC in any way on Buffy). Xander smiles at the memory of BBB, Willow looks uncomfortable whilst Anya gives a little look of jealousy. Xander confesses a sexual attraction to Dawn but feels guilty about it (although he says he misses when Dawn used to have a crush on him). Weirdly he says 'Daddy likes' even after he told Warren off for a similar phrase. Buffy says Snyder was always 'on her' and 'riding her'. Buffy alludes to porn star Anna Nicole Smith. Dawn thinks Buffy is hot and is seemingly envious that she has 'sex that's rough'.
    Captain Subtext;
    In a riposte to the evidence for being Bi Willow wants to turn RJ into a girl so she can love him. Then again Willow says her attraction isn't about physical presence which is interesting when you think of her later comments to Kennedy that she fell in love with 'A woman rather than women'. When Anya points out that RJ's 'physical prescence has a penis' Willow says she can work around it. Like Xander she confesses
  24. Mustafar_66 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 20, 2005
    star 5
    Maybe it's just because I really couldn't stand her character. I dunno, she just doesn't do anything for me. Too tall and skinny.
  25. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Well she does make out with her brother which isn't too attractive. Oddly in '17 Again' she makes moves on her father so this seems to be a recurring theme.

    As for MT's incredible beauty here's Exhibit A http://www.complex.com/GIRLS/Galleries/MICHELLE-TRACHTENBERG#6
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