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  1. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    CONVERSATIONS WITH DEAD PEOPLE
    The Good;
    All of it, pretty damn amazing the whole thing. In a pretty intense and serious episode I do like Dawn's fun anchovies song and dance not to mention her marhsmallow in the microwave (love to try that but then it didn't turn out too well for her)
    The Bad;
    The only problems I have is that there's no Xander and that the Cassie role was so blatantly supposed to be Tara. If it is The First that visits Dawn it's actions seem remarkably tame AND it seems to be able to move stuff with it's will which it can't do later. Also why put on the big show, why not just appear to Dawn as it did to Willow and Andrew? Maybe it is Joyce but the First is somehow manipulating her and only allows it to put over what it wants Dawn to hear? If it is The First trying to mislead Dawn why does it try to get her to leave the house?
    Best line;
    Holden; "Who knows, maybe I'll win?"
    Buffy; (almost pityingly) "No, I'm the Slayer. You're not leaving this graveyard"
    Women good/men bad;
    We learn that Hank cheated on Joyce and that was the reason for their divorce.
    Jeez!;
    Holden hitting Buffy in the face with the virgin Mary statuette. Dawn getting all cut up. Cassie/The First's description of how she imagined Willow committing suicide.
    Kinky dinky;
    When confessing to Holden Buffy says that during her sex with Spike she felt she deserved to be punished which explains some of the violent/S&M nature of their relationship. Buffy says she hates the way vamps equate sex, pain, death and love but then as Spike said, they are evil, they should be treading on the darkside. Looking back on her previous boyfriends Buffy observes she sure can pick them, every one a doomed romance. There were rumours at SDH that Buffy was dating a really old guy but did this mean Angel or Giles? ("Older man, very handsome, likes it when I call him daddy") Holden says he is 'chatting Buffy up'. Spike effortlessly picks a hot blonde up at the bar. Buffy refers to Spike 'taking me over completely' and 'doing such things to me'. Holden refers to guy talk in 'nailing a girl'.
    Captain Subtext;
    So if Spike sires his blonde after picking her up in a bar does he do the same thing with Holden? Buffy confesses she feels superior to her friends and lovers but feels guilty about it. This suggests that Faith is actually the ideal girl for her as they're equal in every way. Scott Hope, Buffy's boyfriend from season 3 has now come out of the closet which must be a relief for her as it means their break up wasn't her fault. But apparently he told everyone she was gay which given her track record with guys might be the best option for her?
    Note that Jonathon and Andrew actually want to be part of the Scooby gang which Andrew at least will achieve.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Supposedly we were to see Xander visited by Jesse and Anya by Halfrek but they couldn't get the actors which was a great shame.
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 14
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills: Buffy kills 1 vamp
    Buffy: 110 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 8 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
  2. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    SLEEPER

    The Good;
    Love the gag that Billy Idol stole his image from Spike rather than the other way around. Some very effective horror and some nice comedy with Anya and Spike .
    The Bad;
    Nothing bad but this is a bridging episode
    Best line;
    Anya; "If I get bitten I'm going to come back as a vampire and bite your ass!"
    Xander (smiling) "Wouldn't be the first time"
    Women good/men bad;
    When Spike rejects her Anya fears she's fat? (One of my favourite aspects of Terminator;SCC was Cameron's attempts to fit in as an American high school girl which she largely mastered by remembering the phrases "Bitchwhore much?" and "Does this make me look fat?")
    Jeez!;
    Spike biting pretty coeds
    Kinky dinky;
    Naked Spike under the sheets. Anya suggests some kinky stuff with the stake and says unsouled Spike would have her upside down and halfway to her happy place when souled Spike rejects her. Spike has no problem picking up women who seem a satire on the Spikettes. Xander seems to have a pornographic magazine on his table when Spike walks out. The bouncer is happy to let a girl as hot as Buffy in the club for free. She describes Spike as sallow but in a hot way. See also best line.
    Captain Subtext;
    The vamp at the Bronze suggests she'll take the boy and Spike can take the girl or 'the other way around'.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage: Spike at the end for the first time since he became a Scooby.
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 1

    Scoobies knocked out: Xander by Spike
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 8
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;5
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Kills: 1 vamp Spike, 7 vamps for Buffy (will she reach the magic 200 kills before the end of the series?)
    Buffy: 117 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 3 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human, 1 god.
    Cordy: 3 vamps, ½ a demon
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Angel: 3 vamps, 1 demon, 1 human
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon,
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil: Spike and how
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 12
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara

    Sunnydale deaths; another 2 civies
    101

    Total number of scoobies: 6,
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Anya, Spike

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Cordy: 1?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 2 possible, Dracula+RJ(?)
    Angel: 1;Buffy
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Dawn in peril; 13
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Questions and observations;
    Xander refers to CSI (another point against Normal Again being true). He also remembers Holden Webster from SDH referring to him as 'Webs' (but then he'd have gone to school with him longer than Buffy did). One assumes the harmonica playe
  3. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    NEVER LEAVE ME
    The Good;
    Nice humour from Dawn and Andrew, a good fight and our first hints that Principal Wood is more than he seems
    The Bad;
    When Spike attacks Buffy we see a glimpse of his arm reflected in the mirror as she blocks his blow
    Best line;
    Dawn (on Buffy's illness keeping her off work) "Her exact words were 'I've got stuff coming out of both ends"
    Women good/men bad;
    Jeez!;
    Spike feeding from the blood filled bag is horrible as is his little girl story. The Turok-Han is one genuinely scary beastie!
    Kinky dinky;
    Spike (of falling in love with Buffy) "I've had to redefine the words pain and suffering since I feel in love with you". Maybe he could just hire some dominatrix or something? Spike elaborates on his little girl in the coal cellar story implying that she was Dawn's age and that he did more than just kill her and her family, keeping her alive so she cried when he...because it would be no fun if she didn't cry (anyone else glad he didn't finish that story?) Spike implies that Buffy likes men who hurt her, he may be right given her track record. He also postulates that she needs that pain to do her job which is also what the First Slayer stated in Intervention and we will find out more about the Slayer's darkside in 'Get it done'. (Hell hath no fury...?)
    Captain Subtext;
    Warren asks Andrew to feel him. Andrew like's Patrick Swayze in Ghost. Willow declares "Tool talk not my thing". Xander declares that he'll be 'pumping' Andrew in no time. Note when Buffy and Dawn are fighting the Bringers they use EXACTLY the same fighting move at the same time, again more than sisters?
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Xander and Anya torture Andrew without remorse.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage: Andrew is but he isn't a Scooby yet. Spike is.
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 2

    Scoobies knocked out: Spike by Buffy, Willow and Anya by The Bringers
    Buffy: 19
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 9
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;6
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 1
    Kills: presuming that the Bringers are humans score 2 for Buffy. Presumably Xander killed the Bringer attacking Dawn?
    Buffy: 117 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 5 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 1 human
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 13 goodbye Quentin Travers, well intentioned but out of touch (which could well be the Watcher motto?)
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara, Quentin Travers.

    Sunnydale deaths;
    101

    Total number of scoobies: 6,
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Anya, Spike

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 2 possible, Dracula+RJ(?)
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike;
  4. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    BRING ON THE NIGHT

    The Good;
    The epic fight between Buffy and the Turok-Han. Love her speech at the end!
    The Bad;
    See above. Also it seems weird that Spike can be tortured by drowning when he doesn't breathe but I guess the reflex is still there? And most obvious of all why doesn't the Turok-Han finish Buffy when it has the chance? Or at least take her prisoner? I know she likes her job but considering what's at stake (pardon the pun) surely Buffy should just continue taking some sick days and prepare for what's ahead? ASH's name in the title spoils the suprise of Giles showing up.
    Best line;
    Dawnl; "There's blood on this. The First must have made a sacrifice. Or a music video" (too much MTV for you my girl!)
    Women good/men bad;
    Buffy has pics of Dawn, Joyce, Willow and Xander on her desk but none of her dad?
    Jeez!;
    Watching Buffy getting the stuffing knocked out of her is HORRIBLE! Not to mention the gruesome murder of the terrified Potential and poor Spike getting waterboarded.
    Kinky dinky;
    According to Anya demons used to boast about their evilness in an attempt to make her 'horny'. Dru/First says Spike used to like it when they'd 'Giggle, wiggle, squeal' and says she'd be bad if Spike likes it (Dru's dance move reminds me of Kate Bush doing Wuthering Heights!)
    Captain Subtext;
    And here's Kennedy who can convey an awful lot with just a look, you can see how Willow's mind is already working when Dawn asks her 'Does she want to eat?". Andrew seems to think that a good leader should have shiny hair.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    The gang still not hesitating to torture Andrew, even little Dawnie in on the act.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    No which is weird?
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 2

    Scoobies knocked out: Anya by the First and Buffy by the Turok Han
    Buffy: 20
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 9
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 1
    Kills:
    Buffy: 117 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 5 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 1 human
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 13
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara, Quentin Travers.

    Sunnydale deaths; the poor Potential Annabelle
    102

    Total number of scoobies: 9, Giles and now add the first of the Potentials
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Anya, Spike, Giles, Kennedy and Molly

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 2 possible, Dracula+RJ(?)
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Dawn in peril; 14
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Some good and bad on this one. Buffy captured by the First but
  5. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SHOWTIME
    Halfway through season 7, nearly at the end now!
    The Good;
    The seige of Revello Drive and Buffy taking the Turok-Han down.
    The Bad;
    So why doesn't the Turok-Han attack night after night? The only thing I can think off is that it wanted to get some of the Potentials to Sunnydale? Or maybe the Turok-Han has some limits to it's strength and needs to 'recharge'? (this ep is set several days after the last)
    Best line;
    Buffy; "Welcome to thunderdome!" followed by "Dust, like all the rest"
    Although I also like;
    Rhona; (on being handed a sword) "What's the point?"
    Kennedy; "It's the sharp end"
    Women good/men bad;
    Dawn says the Slayer is always female because girls are just cooler.
    Jeez!;
    Kinky dinky;
    Anya once had a one night stand with the six spleened demon whilst wearing entrails! Anya is quite prepared to prostitute herself on behalf of the Scoobs.
    Captain Subtext;
    Will still shy about sharing Kennedy's bed but the rich minx isn't so hesitant. Andrew refers to his 'joystick hand' which even Xander won't 'touch' (interesting phrasing?).
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 2

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 20
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 9
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 1
    Kills: Xander and Kennedy kill a Bringer each. Buffy kills 4 Bringers and the Turok-Han
    Buffy: 118 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 9 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 6 demons
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 1 human

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 5
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 13
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara, Quentin Travers.

    Sunnydale deaths; poor Eve
    103

    Total number of scoobies: 12, add Vi (my 2nd favourite Potential), Chloe and Rhona (my least favourite) to the list
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Anya, Spike, Giles, Kennedy, Molly, Vi, Chloe, Rhona

    Xander demon magnet: 5(6?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 2 possible, Dracula+RJ(?)
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:2 ;Xander, Riley
    Xander: 2; Faith, Anya
    Willow: 2;Oz and Tara
    Riley; 3; Buffy, Sandy and unnamed vampwhore
    Spike; 2 Buffy and Anya
    Anya; 2 Spike and Xander
    Dawn in peril; 14
    Dawn the bashful virgin; 9
    What the fanficcers thought;
    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3065698/1/Who_shall_hear_my_children_when_they_cry
    Questions and observations;
    Vi refers to Faith. The game 'Six degrees of Kevin Bacon' is mentioned (simple, Kevin was in Will and Grace as was Seth Green). Bojoxers eye is very reminiscent of Big Trouble in Little China. If the bringers are human why doesn't Xander just get Anya's gun and shoot them? Kennedy says she's been training since she was 8? Buffy tells Rhona 'Welcome to the Hellmouth'! The Coven is still there so Giles and co still have all
  6. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4


    POTENTIAL

    The Good;
    Amanda, by far my favourite Potential, love her to bits, the way she talks is rather reminiscent of Dana Scully from the X-files. She comes just ahead of Vi who is also great (so nice to have Felicia on Dollhouse), they both remind of season 1 Willow. Great stuff from Dawn too, fun training scenes and the final scene with Xander is too wonderful for words.
    The Bad;
    How can Spike attack the Potentials? What about his chip? Equally he can kill the Bringers, are they not wholly human?
    Best line;
    Xander; (to Dawn) "You're not special. You're extraordinary" (how true!)
    Women good/men bad;
    Andrew refers back to the female legacy of Eve. Actually we'll soon see where the real legacy of the Slayer began and it's not too empowering for the girls in question.
    Jeez!;
    Amanda wants to unleash the vamp on the marching band?
    Kinky dinky;
    During the training session Buffy ends up straddling Spike and feeling him up beneath his shirt. The Potentials comment that 'That's hot' and ask if they're expected to make out with the vampires? They also wonder how Buffy knows that Spike's crypt is comfy and seem to be peeking at Xander whilst he's in the shower at the Summer's house. What a load of saucy minxes! Amanda thinks that a guy who picks on her is quite cute. A sadomasochistic fondness for bad boys who make her miserable? All the makings of a Slayer RIGHT THERE! She just needs to get tied up and knocked out a few times. Buffy obviously thinks the same as she draws a comparison between Amanda and her tormentor and her and Spike. Rhona says she likes the feel of wood in her hand (Joss gives 15 year old girls this kind of dialogue? Worse than Dawn's 'Meat party in my mouth' line). Andrew says he hate's his free will. Dawn may have injured 'something she'll need later in life' whilst climbing into the school. She considers Xander's army training sexy and get's a kiss from him at the end (awwwww!).
    Captain Subtext;
    The obvious subtext here is that Dawn finally has a house full of girls of her age but they're all special because they're Potentials and she's not, Buffy is spending all her time with them and giving them her attention and she's excluded even though she's already killed a vampire and a demon. So close but so far. Dawn admires a girl in her gym class as a 'glamazon', interesting phrasing! She also considers being a sailor as she likes the water, well you know what all the nice girls like? Vi says the demon bar is like a gay bar, has she been to many? Clem once again resembles Buffy's gay best friend whilst Xander is referred to as the one who sees which will have greater significance later in the season. Buffy and Spike getting closer and closer.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy and Spike lock the girls into a crypt with a vamp, awfully like the Cruciantenam? But 5 to one with weapons and Spike and her waiting just outside
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 2

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 20
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 9
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 1
    Kills: Spike kills a Bringer as does Buffy. 1 vamp for Amanda and 1 vamp for Kennedy (although that's more of a group effort)
    Buffy: 118 vamps, 60 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 6 demons+1 human
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 1 human+1 vampire
    Amanda; 1 vampire

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 3
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
  7. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    THE KILLER IN ME

    Oh my god, this is ep 135, we're into single figures left!
    The Good;
    Always lovely to see Amy again, sadly her last appearance although she's back in the comics. Nice subplot with 'Is Giles the First?' and some creepy stuff in the old Initiative, very Halloween (the movie not the ep).
    The Bad;
    I find the whole Willow/Kennedy storyline not that involving frankly and I'm normally a Willow fan. Rather ruins the suprise reveal of Amy when EAA's name is in the titles.
    Best line;
    Spike; "Who you gonna call? You know that's never going to be usable again, is it?" (tell that to the 118 118 boys!)
    but also like;
    Initiative officer (of Spike) "We're here to help ass-face (noting Buffy's look) Those were agent Finn's exact words"
    Women good/men bad;
    Pretty much all the Warren stuff
    Jeez!;
    Will slapping Amy is shocking
    Kinky dinky;
    When Buffy tries to tell the Initiative that Spike's 'chip' is malfunctioning they seem to think she's referring to something else. Andrew grabs Will's breasts and he and Dawn take the opportunity to feel up Willow/Warren and all the Scoobs grope Giles in the final scene. Giles is affronted that the Scoobes think he's evil because he'd take a group of nubile teenage girls on a camping trip and NOT touch them. Xander appears to wear Aquaman underwear, how does Willow know this? Amy's top is very revealing, I never appreciated how hot she was until this ep.
    Captain Subtext;
    One big lesbian seduction of Willow by Kennedy. Kennedy says that Willow is sexy when she pouts, quite true. Kennedy presumes Willow is gay but Will never actually says so. She asks how long has she enjoyed sex with women (well doesn't EVERYONE?). Interestingly Will says she didn't fall in love with WOMEN but with one WOMAN. Will's mum hardly met Tara. Kennedy says she was first attracted to women when she was five (!) after watching Rhett sweep Scarlett up the staircase in Gone with the Wind. This scene is widely considered to be marital rape but then as a potential Slayer Kennedy has that dark sexual side we see in Faith and Buffy and in 'Get it done' we find out why. Note that Kennedy wishes to play the Rhett role who's the sexual aggressor just as Kennedy is courting Willow. Kennedy tells Willow she doesn't worry about her "Being too butch". More signs of Andrew and Xander bonding, love Anya and Dawn's little look at him. Dawn and Anya snuggle under a blanket.
    So, does Amy actually have a gay crush on Willow and is this all the result of jealousy? Certainly Amy at the end seems to be coming on to Kennedy, saying "You must be good" after the revelation about the kiss. Kennedy thinks Willow's freckles are 'lickable'.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    The Initiative's new front is a flower shop, what is it with Buffy and florists?
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Presumably around this time Dawn recieves her phonecall from Angelus but we never see it. Also the Scoobies never seem to notice the eternal darkness in LA or Jasmine but then they have their own worries.
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage: Spike continues to keep himself chained up
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 2
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 3

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 20
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 15
    Will: 9
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 1
    Kills: one demon for Buffy
    Buffy: 118 vamps, 61 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demon, 1 human/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 6 demons+1 human
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 1 human+1 vampire
    Amanda; 1 vampire

    Scoobies go evil: Willow, big time
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
  8. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    FIRST DATE

    The Good;
    So we finally find out Wood's secret! Some nice comedy stuff with Xander and Danny Strong suprisingly creepy as Jonathon/The First. It's amazing how funny Chao Anh can be with just such a simple old gag.
    The Bad;
    Buffy really should take more care with her cellphone. Who opens a French resteraunt down a creepy dark alleyway? Note Woods doesn't lock his door after Buffy leaves whilst he's putting away his knife. Honestly if you were Xander on your first date with Lissa would you ever dream of telling the story of leaving your bride at the altar? Not exactly something that makes a girl think 'Boy this one's a keeper!' (although considering the attraction to bad boys in this series maybe it would impress her?)
    Best line;
    Buffy; (of Xander's date) "Good thing you're not jealous!"
    Anya; "Are you nuts? Can't you hear my bitter ranting? The shrill edge of hysteria in my voice? Little hardware store whore!"
    Women good/men bad;
    Anya considers Xander's date a slut and whore despite never having met her.
    Jeez!;
    Decaying Jonathon (love Amanda's little squeal). Bleeding Xander isn't nice either.
    Kinky dinky;
    Needless to say Ashanti is GORGEOUS especially when she puts on her sacrificial gear and into bondage fun. The bleeding bit not so much fun nor is her demon form. Half naked Xander, NB slimmed down a lot since season 6. Andrew admires the contents of Buffy's underwear drawer 'Nice things' and notes she has thongs amongst her intimates (as we saw before in Shadow) Interested in her wearing them or him? We also see Buffy in her sexy camisole top. Andrew considers Dawn 'A peach'. Buffy considers Wood's French pear desert 'The best thing I've ever had in my mouth', a line which would make the Carry On team blush! (and she says it in front of Spike!).
    Captain Subtext;
    Xander; "Willow, gay me up!" imagining Scott Bakula in his underwear which Andrew also appreciates. Buffy worries that this would just attract male demons, Dawn mentions that Clem always liked Xander further portraying him as Buffy's gay friend. Willow considers Buffy a 'frisky vixen'. Buffy's description of Woods is very reminiscent of Riley which hardly bodes well for him as a potential lover. Buffy wonders why she's so attracted to 'wicked energy', in the next ep we find out why. Interestingly when Willow asks about Spike Buffy says 'Why does everyone still think I'm in love with Spike?'. Her use of the term 'love' is unprecedented. Buffy is attracted to Woods, another older man for her, older than Riley although still much younger than Spike and Angel (Hank leaving really screwed her up even before all the Slayer dark energy lust kicked in, one wonder's if Dawn will be the same?) And of course Woods whose mother was a Slayer who died when he was four, breaking his heart now finds himself dating one. He comments that he 'Doesn't know how that happened' but I think it doesn't need Freud to guess? Kennedy and Willow now make out and hold hands under the table although she tries to hide it.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Andrew wears a wire
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage: Xander big time! Lissa into recreational bondage (or she mistakes him for a kayak?)
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 3

    Scoobies knocked out: Xander passes out, Giles is the one notorious for it but he's far ahead.
    Buffy: 20
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 16
    Will: 9
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 4
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 1
    Kills: 1 Bringer for Giles, 3 vamps for Buffy plus Lissa giving her her 200th kill! 2 vamps for Woods plus he says he's killed 'A few vamps and some demons' previously so we'll give him 3 more vamps and 2 demons at least.
    Buffy: 121 vamps, 62 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demons, 2 humans/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons
  9. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    GET IT DONE

    The Good;
    Buffy's trip to see the Shadowmen finally answers a lot of the questions we've had concerning the Slayer over the years. Plus bad boy Spike is finally back! The Shadowcasting scene is suprisingly creepy.
    The Bad;
    How convenient that in the ep where Buffy is going to be 'knocked up' by the Shadowmen's pet demon she just happens to wear a skirt for the first time in ages?
    Best line;
    Buffy; "Always the staff!"
    Women good/men bad;
    So, the first Slayer wasn't a volunteer after all? How ironic that the Slayer, the symbol of female empowerment is actually based on the subjugation of women, the Shadowmen chaining a young girl to the earth and forcing their will upon her for their higher purposes. If it was anyone but Joss you'd think this was misogynistic but here Buffy once more shows that the modern Slayer has overcome the need for patriarchal domination, she chooses to be the Slayer and will only work with them to save humanity, not under their control. Her breaking the staff could be construed as a phallic symbol? One thought that has been suggested to me before is that vamps are undead and are therefore a travesty of life. Women are the lifegivers so the Slayer's vamp sense is based upon that, that they are almost allergic to something that is against nature? Also possible that a female was selected to be the Slayer as their uterus makes them capable of accepting the demon just as they would a child.
    Jeez!;
    Chloe's death is beyond horrible
    Kinky dinky;
    How long have you got? Buffy refers to her being 'knocked up' and 'violated' which is normally CC's job. We discover why Buffy and Faith (and it's hinted a couple of the Potentials) have this dark and kinky sexual side to them, that the Slayer was created in a whirlwind of rape, bondage, impregnation, dark magic and female enslavement. We now know why Buffy and Faith have a thing for older men (the Shadowmen/Watchers) with (as Spike comments) 'a little demon in them' like Angel, Spike, the Mayor, Dracula, Wood (son of a Slayer), the Immortal. You wonder if Dawn will develop the same tastes, she share's Buffy's blood and she's already had a crush on Spike and Justin? I never bothered to count but I think this is the last time Buffy gets sexually assaulted in the series, off the top of my head that makes seven (Xander in The Pack, twice by Larry in Halloween, by Cam and then the entire mutated swimteam in Go Fish, by Spike in Seeing Red) If we don't count The Master and presuming her and Drac was consensual. Borders on Got-fic.
    Anya still seems to have the hots for Spike but he's not interested.
    Spike; "You're like a dog with a bone"
    Anya; "Well a girl get's hungry!"
    Spike; "It's MY bone!"
    of course you could just suspect that she might be trying to make Xander jealous after his date with Lissa in last week's ep. Wood describes HIMSELF as cool and sexy and Buffy agrees adding he's a snappy dresser. Spike thinks the tension between him and Wood is jealousy over Buffy but he's mistaken.
    Captain Subtext;
    You could interpret that fact that Buffy is actually made stronger by the Shadowmen forcing themselves upon her as a metaphor for the power of female sexuality? Buffy mentions to Wood that Willow has been 'experimenting' a remark she seems to take exception to. When Spike tells Buffy about saving Anya from the demon he says he 'Beat him off' before thinking of a better phrasing.
    Note the gentle, intimate gesture of the third Shadowman stroking his hand down Buffy's cheek even after their violent conquest of her that preceded it. What's more Buffy actually let's him do it, it's almost a fatherly moment of affection between them. (Her Slayer side born of the Shadowmen, her Buffy side born of Hank and Joyce?). Kennedy's rejection of Willow having seen her darkside is reminiscent of how CC rejects Angel in season 4 having seen the things he did as Angelus when she was a higher power. Interestingly having been rejected by her girlfriend Willow makes her way to Buffy's bed and suggests that Buffy use 'kisses' (and Twinkies) to motivate
  10. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    STORYTELLER
    The Good;
    The wonderful Andrew in the kitchen fantasy sequence, all the straight to camera stuff and Spike's conceit towards the camera. The hilarious 'We are gods' sequence complete with unicorn. But who cares because the Cheese Man from Restless is back!
    The Bad;
    Do we really believe that Andrew can read an ancient demon language and yet doesn't bother to translate what's on the knife? Wouldn't the Invisible Girl be a useful ally against the First? Or does it matter as the Bringers are blind anyway? Andrew says that Buffy has no steak knives, so what did she stab the Queller demon with?
    Best line;
    Andrew (describing Dawn); "Bubbly and sweet with a hunger for fun and a smile that lights up the room"
    Women good/men bad;
    Possessed Wood refers to Buffy as a whore for screwing Spike
    Jeez!;
    According to Willow's research Greek cookbooks like to use goat's tongues. Let's hope the Supersizers don't get around to ancient Greece, I doubt even Sue and Giles could eat that (Giles Coren that is, not Rupert Giles). Exploding heads too although that's just implied.
    Kinky dinky;
    Buffy apparently dreams of running for the bus whilst naked. Oddly whilst much of this ep confirms our suspicions of Andrew as gay he glosses over cute but unconventionally pretty Amanda in the kitchen scene for the blonde bimbo whose name he doesn't even know, a very hetero male thing to do. Anya is suspicious as to what Andrew is doing by himself in the bathroom with a video camera. She suggests that the rest of the Scoobies just masturbate in there. Anya and Xander get it on once more, in Spike's bed in the basement! Revenge for Xander having to put Spike up in his basement and closet? Anya comments that she's a 'spitfire' in bed whilst they both agree that this was an act of closure and comment that it's a shame Buffy took Spike's chains down. Dawn wears a remarkably revealing top, showing her now formidable cleavage off to to all.
    Captain Subtext;
    Willow and Kennedy kissing and totally ignored by Andrew? Hmmmmmm? The Playboy test for heterosexuality (enjoying the thought of 2 or more women together)and he failed it completely. Guess the pair got over the events of 'Get it done'. Andrew also thinks that the tension between Woods and Spike is sexual in nature. Note Spike is topless in Andrew's kitchen fantasy. Andrew also admires Xander's skill with his hands 'Extraordinary' and implies that he thinks Jonathon is cute. In his fantasy Andrew has Warren commenting he's good-looking. Andrew and Jonathon share a bed together whilst on the run. Andrew says that Jonathon promised to buy him a 'burro', Spanish for ass (hopefully the hooved kind?)
    Guantanamo Bay;
    The Scoobs don't hesitate to threaten and rough Andrew up.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7, Buffy says that there are 'hundreds upon hundreds' Turok-Han in her vision implying tens of thousands. Ok, if they got out it would be bad but against 6 billion humans armed with all our technology would it really be the end of the world?
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 9
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 3

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 21
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 16
    Will: 10
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 5
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 2
    Kennedy; 1
    Kills: two vamps killed by Buffy
    Buffy: 123 vamps, 62 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demons, 2 humans/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 9 vamps and 7 demons+1 human
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 1 human+1 vampire
    Amanda; 1 vampire
    Woods; 5 vamps and 2 demons

    Scoobies go evil: Wood possessed by the seal. Buffy says
  11. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    LIES MY PARENTS TOLD ME

    The Good;
    All the flashback sequences are wonderful. Great to see the real Dru on the show again, love her expression when Spike talks of bringing his mum with them. Possibly the worst introduction of any new girlfriend to a prospective mother-in-law in the history of the world? The powerful scenes between Wood and Giles and the face off between Spike and Wood are awesome.
    The Bad;
    Spike just deciding to leave Nikki alone for a while after finding her beggars belief, couldn't they have had a police car pull up or something? Or was Spike worried about messing up his hair? No real comparison between Joyce and Nikki, Joyce died of natural causes, although heartbreaking for Buffy and Dawn there was no one to blame, it was just her time. Unsouled Spike hunted down and murdered Nikki for fun!
    Best line;
    Buffy (to Giles); "I think you've taught me everthing I need to know" Ooooohhhhhh!
    Women good/men bad;
    At the end of the ep Buffy shares a moment of intimacy with Dawn in bed then closes the door on Giles. The implication is that she chooses her literal and metaphorical sister(s) over her father figure?
    Jeez!;
    Spike's mum remarks that he wants to 'get inside her' again, yeeeesshhh! Her rejection of him is heartrending. The mindworm is also nasty, reminiscent of Star Trek 2. Spike's goading of Wood over his mother choosing slaying over him is nasty and very possibly not true as we learn in 'Damage'. Nikki sacrifices herself to save Robin and millions like him just as Buffy does in The Gift with Dawn, she loved him but she just couldn't be with him. Nikki just didn't bump into Spike on patrol, he hunted her down off-duty, she tells Robin he can't go home because she fears Spike will find them there. She never volunteered to be the Slayer and she couldn't quit. She dies trying to save him.
    Wood's knuckledusters are pretty vicious but you'd think useful in a fight.
    Kinky dinky;
    Spike tells Nikki he's going to 'ride her hard'. She responds that he's 'wet and limp'. Xander bemoans the fact that Spike's chains weren't there last week when he and Anya had their breakup sex. Dru refers to Spike as 'sweet Willy' whilst he describes her as saucy.
    Captain Subtext;
    Needless to say a lot of people speculate on an incestuous attraction between Spike and his mum. I don't buy that, I think William is just a devoted son to his loving mother, even soulless Spike is horrified when she makes her incestuous suggestion. I'm quite prepared to accept Connor having sex with Cordy, that Ares is Xena's dad or even that Beatrice in Kill Bill might actually be his daughter but not this.
    One reason Spike's mum might be so mean to him once sired is that she's jealous of Drusilla whom she refers to as 'That trollop'. Note Dru calls herself Spike's 'Other mummy'. Check out her little look as Spike stakes her, almost of relief/affection? Could she have been goading Spike into killing her?
    Speaking of Oedipal implications as we suspected Wood tells Buffy that she reminds him of his mother. Interestingly whilst most girls would consider that a turn off, she seems to rather like the idea. According to the commentary Spike's mum is called 'Anne' which of course is Buffy's middle name. And upon seeing Spike's relationship with his own mother I think we all understand his apparently genuine affection for Joyce a lot better.
    Andrew takes the call from Fred whom he thinks sounds 'effeminate'. Buffy substitutes 'prophylactic' for 'prokaryote' in regard to Spike which is a Freudian slip if ever there was one.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Giles acts as a calculating general and wishes to kill Spike out of logic. Wood by contrast know's it's wrong but acts because his love for his mother is more powerful than all reason. Giles has actually started acting like Travers and the rest of the Watcher's Council but then so did Buffy in Potential, giving her girls their own Cruciantenam.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    12 minutes of extra footage according to the commentary? We must have entire movies
  12. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    DIRTY GIRLS

    The Good;
    Faith back in Sunnydale, what could be wrong?
    The Bad;
    What a shame this is the ep they get Nic Brendon to comment upon, with all the other great Xander centric eps he's been in. Again, Caleb doesn't finish them, he just lets them run?
    Best line;
    Xander; "Everything has eyes" (Oh dear)
    Women good/men bad;
    I don't think I've ever felt such visceral hatred for any villain as I do for woman-hating Caleb. I want to crush his skull in my bare hands. At least the nerds were funny and the Mayor charming and polite (for the most part).
    Jeez!;
    Caleb torturing Shannon, Molly and Colleen killed, Xander maimed.
    Kinky dinky; (I may just have to extend this subject now Faith's back)
    Xander dreams of threesomes with nubile teenage potentials and the rest pillow-fighting in their skimpy underwear. Of course the reality of living in a house filled with teenage girls is not quite so sexy (to my shame I didn't get the leg-cramp gag first time around). Faith puts the moves on Spike. Scott Hope. Angel, Riley, flirting with Giles and now Spike, the girl just can't help it, she's always stealing Buffy's boyfriends. Faith talks of dressing up as a horny cheerleader (Bring it on?), naughty nurse and sexy schoolgirl for her past lovers. Mayor Wilkins? Wesley? She's also quite ok with the sight of Spike's chains "Each to their own". Her phrasing is quite ambiguous "I used to run with this guy who liked me to dress up as a schoolgirl then take this bullwhip...". Now does she mean she whipped him or he whipped her? Or maybe they took turns? To judge by her later comments about 'looking up the guy with the bullwhip', having had enough all female company for a while, having been the toughest girl in a woman's prison for the last 3 years it seems inevitable that she was the one being whipped. Remember we've seen her self-harming a couple of times and the naughty schoolgirl is invariably the one being punished in S&M scenarios (probably be the strict schoolmistress if she was doing the whipping?). "If you can't beat them..." Spike comments that the schoolgirl thing is old hat which may be a subtle dig at Britney Spears and the outfit Buffy wears to seduce RJ in Him. One popular fan theory is that Faith is referring to Spanky who Angel meets in the frist ep of Angel Season 5 and who likes to spank women and certainly has a bullwhip. (If you like the idea of Eliza Dushku with a whip check out this scene from Dollhouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gCOGkxg_QA now if you'll excuse me I need to sit down) Faith seems pleasantly suprised that Buffy has had a wild affair with Spike, maybe not so stuffy after all?
    Captain Subtext;
    Obvious tension between Dawn and Faith, one wonders if Dawn always resented this rival for Buffy's affections or liked her only to feel betrayed when she went evil? Faith notes of Dawn 'Brat's all woman sized'. Note when Xander and Kennedy are hurt it's Xander Willow goes to rather than her girlfriend. Xander's fantasy has the girls being with each other as well as him and loads of sapphic sex-play between them. Faith says she's "had her fill" of all female relationships in prison. The choir girl The First poses as for Caleb to stab is very reminiscent of Darla in 'Inside out'. Buffy seems jealous that Faith has been inside Angel's mind which she wasn't able to do in Earshot. Andrew cries at Xander's speech. Spike still very anti-Angel, getting a soul didn't change that!
    Guantanamo Bay;
    So, is Buffy's plan rash or sound? Hard to say, she's right that they just can't sit around waiting and now that they have Faith it might be the time to go on the offensive.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Xander and Rhona very badly hurt
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 9
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Buffy and Spike
    Buffy: 22
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 16
    Will: 10
    Jenny: 2
  13. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Into the last 5

    EMPTY PLACES

    The Good;
    Spike and Andrew's road trip, the girls shaking their stuff at the Bronze.
    The Bad;
    So harrowing watching Buffy cast out after all she's been through. Again why doesn't Caleb take Buffy prisoner or something when he knocks her out? Anya says Buffy is 'luckier' than everyone else to be the Slayer but it hardly seems to be much of a prize? The Hellmouth influenced cops also seem a very handy contrivance.
    Best line;
    Rhona (on Buffy leaving) "Ding dong, the witch is dead!"
    Dawn; (rounding on her) "SHUT YOUR MOUTH!" (about time someone slapped Rhona down!)
    Women good/men bad;
    More misogyny from Caleb
    Jeez!;
    Hardest thing to watch is Dawn telling Buffy to leave (as she states, Revello Drive is her home too). Equally the scenes between Willow and Xander in hospital are so sad. Faith get's some nasty beatings although Angelus claims she's actually still looking for someone to beat the evil out of her.
    Kinky dinky;
    Anya refers to her and Xander's break-up sex to the Potentials, Faith reminds everyone she had him first. Speaking of which Faith starts putting the moves on Wood, who if not a boyfriend Buffy was attracted to and had at least one date with. Caleb speaks of the 'sweet pleasure of taming Buffy' which is odd phrasing for a guy who claims to abhor women especially in the sexual sense.
    Faith flirts with the cops who've come to arrest her, she must have a thing for the uniform (and maybe the handcuffs, nightsticks and fast cars?) as we've seen her do this before in Bad Girls ("I like him, he's butch"). Interestingly she later refers to Buffy as a cop even after recieving a thorough nightsticking and punch on the jaw.
    Captain Subtext;
    Giles hints that Buffy's partiality for her vampire boyfriends costs lives, alluding to Jenny Calender. Spike and Andrew bond on their road-trip over bar food. Spike threatens to bite Andrew which he has done before. With Willow away Kennedy chooses to dance with Dawn at the Bronze. Dawn seems to have lost her antipathy towards Faith and they seem tight from now on.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy and co have a long talk about how they're not a democracy, that it takes one strong individual leader to be effective.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Faith nastily bashed up but Slayer healing takes care of it all.
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 9
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: poor Buff
    Buffy: 23
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 16
    Will: 10
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 6
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 3
    Kennedy; 1
    Kills:
    Buffy: 125 vamps, 62 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demons, 2 humans/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 19 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 11 vamps and 7 demons+1 human
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 1 human+1 vampire
    Amanda; 1 vampire
    Woods; 5 vamps and 2 demons

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1
    Wood; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 6
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2

    Recurring characters killed: 16,
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara, Quentin Travers, Chloe, Molly, Jonathon.

    Sunnydale deaths;
    107

    Total number of scoobies: 35 or so. Anya back but no Vi again. We never ever actually get to see all the recurring potentials (those with names and dialogue) together until the final ep.
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Anya, Spike, Giles
  14. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    TOUCHED

    The Good;
    Wonderful scene between Faith and The Mayor/First, so great to see him back. Buffy finally bests Caleb and some Buffy and Spike scenes to set the Spuffer's hearts aflutter. Oh and everyone has loads of sex
    The Bad;
    I know Spike's trapped in the mission but what about Andrew, surely he can pop out, get a paper? What does Caleb want with the scythe, what good is it to him? Surely the Scoobs must realise that the Bringer will tip off The First allowing it to set the trap?
    Best line;
    Buffy (tearfully); "I don't want to be the one" does she mean the Slayer or just alone?
    but I do like;
    Wood; (of The First) "It was just trying to find your Achilles heel"
    Faith; "No it just talked to me. It does a heel thing too?" (once this Twilight business is over I think it's night classes for you my dear)
    Women good/men bad;
    Interestingly Caleb refers to 'brute strength' just before Buffy wipes the floor with him. It's a very female concept, he has strength and speed but she's agile and intuitive, able to anticipate his every move. Once again Buffy shows her strength as a general, playing to her strengths and turning his power to her advantage.
    Jeez!;
    Giles slits the Bringer's throat
    Kinky dinky;
    Xander and Anya have ice cream sex on the kitchen floor, Faith plays 'ride'em cowgirl' with Wood, him succumbing to her charms by saying "You're the leader"
    Captain Subtext;
    Buffy says that she and Spike were never close and he only wanted her as she was unattainable. But actually the sexless scene between her and Spike falling asleep in one another's arms is the closest they've ever been. Note both Faith and Wood lost their mother at a young age, his mother was a Slayer and now he has sex with one whilst her attraction to him has the same 'Electral' (is that how you put it?) elements as Buffy's. Kennedy says she's going to give Willow 'Screaming joy' and 'Unrestrained moaning'. Obviously thinks a lot of herself in the sack, maybe it's the pierced tongue? She also says she'll 'tether Willow down'. She must be pretty impressive as Xander and Anya can hear Willow moaning all the way down in the kitchen. A nice little moment between Faith and Giles when he praises her leadership, just as with Wes in the Angel-'souless'-arc, Watcher and Slayer finally as it always was intended to be. Faith says it's 'been a while' when she seduces Wood, implying since she's had sex or been with a man? Faith admits to Wood that Wilkins was like a father to her. Then she beds Wood, another older man authority figure with a dark side and possibly demonic essence.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Torturing the captured Bringer and then Giles slitting his throat in cold blood.
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 9
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 4

    Scoobies knocked out:
    Buffy: 23
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 16
    Will: 10
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 3
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 6
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 3
    Kennedy; 1
    Kills: 2 Bringers for Kennedy who seems the best fighter of all the Potentials by some way. Another Bringer for Giles and one each for Vi, Kennedy and Faith
    Buffy: 125 vamps, 62 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demons, 3 humans/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 19 vamps, 6 demons, 4 humans.
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 11 vamps and 7 demons+1 human
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 3 humans+1 vampire
    Amanda; 1 vampire
    Woods; 5 vamps and 2 demons
    Vi; 1 human

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1
    Wood; 1

    Alternate scoobies: possessed Andrew
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Co
  15. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    As DarkWillow would say, 2 to go!

    END OF DAYS

    The Good;
    Even the most ardent Spuffer must cheer at the sight of Angel's return.
    The Bad;
    The First says once the Hellmouth has opened it will enter all humanity. But wasn't it already there? DB's name in the opening credits, will they ever learn?
    Best line;
    Faith; "Thank god we're hot chicks with superpowers!"
    Buffy; "Takes the edge off"
    although I also like;
    Caleb; (indicating the scythe) "Unless you can prise that out of solid rock" (Buffy effortlessly does just that) "Darn!"
    Women good/men bad;
    The Guardians have been looking out for Slayer all this time, protecting them from the male domination of the Watcher's Council (who in fairness do have female members?). Whilst it's fine for Angel to help Buffy out in her final battle with Caleb it's important that she defeats him herself, Buffy isn't the damsel who needs to be rescued, she's the heroine and she beats him on her own terms.
    Jeez!;
    Anya has the possibly the worst bedside manner ever. Also the poor potential being ripped apart by the Turok-Han and the Guardian's neck being broken.
    Kinky dinky;
    Willow comments that 'Scythe matters'. Do we count Caleb and the First as sex? Faith comments that Wood doesn't lack for stamina. Spike says that he and Buffy have done things he 'Can't even spell'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Buffy seems more than a little upset that Faith has bedded Wood. Buffy remarks to Spike that she doesn't need him to be defensive and send mixed signals because 'I have Faith for that'.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Missing scenes;
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 9
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Faith by the explosion, Dawn by Xander then Xander by Dawn
    Buffy: 23
    Giles: 12
    Cordy: 6
    Xander: 17
    Will: 10
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 6
    Oz: 3
    Faith: 1
    Joyce: 4
    Wes: 1
    Anya;7
    Dawn; 7
    Tara; 1
    Spike; 3
    Kennedy; 1
    Kills: 3 Turok-Han for Buffy
    Buffy: 128 vamps, 62 demons, 6 monsters, 10 humans, 1 werewolf, 1 spirit warrior & a robot
    Giles: 8 vamps, 2 demons, 3 humans/1 god.
    Will: 6 vamps + 3 demons +1 fawn+1 human.
    Oz: 3 vamps, 1 zombie
    Faith: 19 vamps, 6 demons, 4 humans.
    Xander: 6 vamps, 2 zombies, 1½ a demon, 2 humans
    Anya: 1 vamp and 1½ a demon
    Riley; 18 vamps + 7 demons
    Spike; 11 vamps and 7 demons+1 human
    Buffybot; 2 vamps
    Tara; 1 demon
    Dawn; 1 vamp + 1 demon
    Kennedy; 3 humans+1 vampire
    Amanda; 1 vampire
    Woods; 5 vamps and 2 demons
    Vi; 1 human

    Scoobies go evil:
    Giles: 1
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 1
    Oz: 1
    Joyce: 1
    Xander: 4
    Anya; 1
    Dawn; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Spike; 1
    Wood; 1

    Alternate scoobies:
    Buffy: 8
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 1
    Will: 6
    Jenny: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 2
    Joyce: 2
    Xander: 4
    Tara; 1
    Dawn;1
    Spike; 1
    Anya; 2
    Andrew; 1

    Recurring characters killed: 17, alas Miss Kitty Fantastico, we knew her. No wonder Dawn warned Kennedy about messing about with crossbows!
    Jesse, Flutie, Jenny, Kendra, Larry, Snyder, Professor Walsh, Forrest, McNamara, Joyce, Katrina, Tara, Quentin Travers, Chloe, Molly, Miss Kitty, Jonathon

    Sunnydale deaths; 3 potentials gone although none are recurring characters
    110

    Total number of scoobies: 35 or so.
    Xander, Buffy, Dawn, Willow, Anya, Spike, Giles, Kennedy, Vi, Rhona, Amanda, Chao-Anh, Wood, Andrew, Faith plus an indeterminate number of potentials.

    Xander demon magnet: 6(7?)
    Preying Mantis Lady, Inca Mummy Girl, Drusilla, VampWillow, Anya, Lissa (arguably Buffy & Faith with their demon essences?), Dracula?

    Scoobies shot:
    Giles: 2
    Angel: 3
    Oz: 4
    Riley; 1
    Buffy; 1
    Tara; 1

    Notches on Scooby bedpost:
    Giles: 2; Joyce & Olivia, possibly Jenny and 3xDraccy babes?
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 3 possible, Dracula+RJ+Shadowmen's demon(?)
    Joyce: 1;Giles, 2 possible, Ted and Dracula(?)
    Oz: 3; Groupie, Willow & Verucca
    Faith:4 ;Xan
  16. Jedi Merkurian ST Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    star 6
    Yeah, I call Touched the "Rodney Dangerfield Episode." He has the final line in the movie Caddyshack: "Hey, everybody! We're all gonna get laid!"
  17. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Always thought the gopher had the last word in Caddyshack?

    And so it ends....

    CHOSEN
    The Good;
    All of it, it's all wonderful. If I was to select 2 scenes I would have to say Vi slapping Rhona and Dawn saving Xander.
    The Bad;
    None, too wonderful for that. Buffy's cookie dough analogy is silly but it's probably meant to be.
    Best line;
    I'm sorry if I'm a sucker but I just love shy little mouse Vi coming into her own;
    Vi (slapping and shouting at a badly wounded Rhona to keep her conscious) "LOOK AT ME! THIS IS NOTHING! STAY AWAKE! THIS IS NOTHING!"
    also like;
    Dawn; (kicking Buffy on the shin for trying to send her away) "Dumbass"
    Buffy; "If you get killed I'm telling!"
    and one for the Spuffers (or not?)
    Buffy; (to Spike) "I love you"
    Spike; "No you don't. But thanks for saying it" (just as Cassie predicted)
    Women good/men bad;
    Buffy shares her and Faith's power with thousands of girls all over the world. The Shadowmen created only one Slayer so that they could control her. They can't do that any more. Especially like the battered fat girl standing up to her abuser and the little girl on the baseball plate flooded with confidence replacing her nerves.
    Jeez!;
    Caleb has to split. And may God have mercy on his soul if he has the stomach! Love the spray of blood, very graphic. Speaking of blood the girls cut their palms again which seems a common thing on Joss' shows.
    Kinky dinky;
    Faith thinks all men think of her purely in a sexual way. Wood says he wasn't impressed by her sexual performance which outrages her but I suspect he's just teasing to get a rise out of her and try to reach her emotionally. Buffy suggests that Spike and Angel settle their differences with a wrestling match and that some form of oil could be involved, an idea that get's her visibly aroused. When Buffy is making her cookie dough analogy she says she's looking for someone to "Eat m...enjoy me". Joss in his commentary speaks of avoiding portraying Buffy as the 'slut queen of sluttonia' by not being able to choose between Angel and Spike. Is that why in the comics she fantasises about being dressed as a sexy nurse and chained between a naked Spike and Angel? Joss says we had no more Buffy/Spike sex in season 7 because he didn't want his heroine to willingly have sex with her rapist (but Tara arguably did?). Who are Luke and Laura?
    Faith refers to sex as 'Getting bouncey'. She know's she's hot and thinks she has 'mad' sex skills. She offers herself to Wood who actually turns her down just as Wilkins did. And maybe it's at this point that she thinks he might be a keeper, a man who just doesn't think about her just sexually?
    Captain Subtext;
    Plenty of jealousy for Angel over Buffy and Spike even if Buffy states categorically that Spike is not her boyfriend (good thing she didn't go into detail about her and Spike getting to fifth base that time on the balcony at the Bronze). Faith's low opinion of men suggests she may be better off with female partners. Spike seems a little too quick to agree to Buffy's idea of Angel and him oil-wrestling. Wood thinks he's pretty which is a weird thing to say. Wounded Buffy handing the scythe to Faith finally settles everything between them. It actually gets passed around between the Slayers which is a nice metaphor. Spike compares himself to Liz Taylor.
    Spike dreams of 'Drowning in shoes'. Buffy later says she craves shoes and Spike will later move to LA where as CC commented there are a huge number of shoes.
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Xander suggests Anya uses Andrew as a human shield
    Scoobies to the ER;
    Rhona and Wood badly hurt
    Missing scenes;
    Again to judge by Joss' commentary loads of extra footage left over. Would especially have liked to have seen Buffy's nostalgic walk through the school.
    Apocalypses; 7,
    Wheldon Cliches (with kind permission from Boo)

    Scoobies in bondage:
    Buffy: 9
    Giles: 4
    Cordy: 5
    Will: 4
    Jenny: 1
    Angel: 4
    Oz: 1
    Faith: 3
    Joyce: 1
    Wes: 1
    Xander; 3
    Dawn; 4
    Spike; 4

    Scoobies knocked out: Angel, must add that to his tot
  18. Koohii Force Ghost

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    May 30, 2003
    star 5
    I enjoyed reading the reviews, esp for the episodes I hadn't seen (all of season 7 and much of 6).

    One thing I noticed when watching season 3 last week: Giles stabs the mayor with a fencing saber. I'd like to repeat that: Giles. Stabs. The Mayor. with a Fencing. Saber. There are several problems with that. But the neat thing is that when the mayor heals, the healing powers soak up the blood from his clothing and repair the rip in the cloth. Very nice.
  19. hansen Force Ghost

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    Apr 25, 2003
    star 4
    What "several problems" are there with that?

    Is it too much awesome?
  20. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Shouldn't look TOO deeply into magic, just like the Hulk always having a pair of trousers that stay on or Star Wars blasters making sound in a vacuum

    Thanks for the compliment and you MUST watch season 6&7, they're certainly worth it
  21. Koohii Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 30, 2003
    star 5
    OK, fine.
    1: Sabre is a slashing cutting weapon, not a stabbing weapon.
    2: Fencing sabers don't have points. The tips are bent&rounded.
    3: Foils and Epees, which are stabbing fencing weapons have buttons on the end specifically to ensure that they don't puncture the skin.

    Thus, 6 ways from sundown, it was completely and totally impossible to stab the mayor with a fencing weapon.

    The only way it is possible to actually break someone's skin with a fencing weapon is if the person is in their 80s and has really thin skin or some other bizzare medical condition, or if the blade breaks (the metal does wear down from the abuse). As no breakage was shown during the sparring earlier, the blade was not broken.

    BTW: Wesley must be a truly horrible fencer if Giles can fend him off with windshield-wiper parries while reading a book.
  22. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Do we definitively know it was a fencing weapon? Maybe it was just one of Buffy's swords that was lying around. Maybe Giles is just an excellent fencer (been training since a child?)
  23. Koohii Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 30, 2003
    star 5
    No, it was definately a fencing weapon. The sound, shape, and grip, as well as the earlier scene between Rupert and Wesley confirm it.
    One other note that was wrong: why weren't G&W wearing propper fencing gear? Giles gets all padded up when he tried to force Buffy to train with a quarterstaff. Maybe it was just a drill? Something to show Wesley how inadequate his skills were?
  24. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    If I were a cynic I'd say because Giles needs to give exposition whilst doing so? Like the soldier Jasmine speaks through in Sacrifice just happens to be the one without his mask on?
  25. ObiWanCon Force Ghost

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    Apr 15, 2004
    star 4
    Great reviews saturn5, I've been reading them as I've re-watched the series the past couple of months, I totally agree that Buffy is one of the greatest TV series of all time I just love the show it has everything you want from a great TV show and your reviews have been a great part of my viewing experience so thank you.
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