First off, let me state that this thread is not going to become a place to bash men. There are plenty of men on these threads and in real life who are kind to people in general. It's a humanitarian concept. We are not going to shame men for being straight or anything like that. I'm making this because I feel that the "Homosexuality" thread and the previous "trans-queer" threads don't really go far enough on this issue. As appreciated as they are, I feel that this issue should be addressed. Secondly, I apologize for my remarks two years ago. I received a lot of privilege from a certain quarter during that year in my life, and that made a bit unfeeling when I wouldn't see a face in front of me. I would show manners to people and agree to disagree in person, but online, I was quite moody and frustrated over randomness and frustrations from other parties. To all I offended, that was all my fault. None of yours. I commend everyone for seeking out justice via forum whereby all are welcome. I did not realize how many people we had on this website, and PointGiven, GrandAdmiralGello, Anakinfan, JediMerkurian, and others do a great job of joggling duties on this site. I don't know how they do it, but it's hard work. I appreciated those who showed me that folks in the majority can be kind to the oppressed. I am thankful that I met people like that in the real world and on this site. The magnificent thing about the JCF is that one may meet people and come to an understanding about how the world may grow more compassionate. We are fond of using the Force and other concepts from fiction and even history to do so. We learn and grow in terms of compassion daily. However, this thread in particular is for anyone to voice their views, perceptions, and frustrations. The patriarchy/heteropatriarchy is a concept, a bad idea in heads, not a collection of individual persons or collectives. Patriarchy hurts both men and women. It is a concept in society's head. Take mothers who are neglectful and narcissistic. They pass the patriarchy down by ignoring and hurting their daughters. They teach them to put up with things that they should never put up with. So, it's not just bad dads who do that. Patriarchy has no gender. It's not a masculine or feminine thing, truly. It's an insidious concept that encourages people to be codependent and pass baggage down from generation to generation. Some scholars have argued that the hunter-gather society was more egalitarian. Since everyone was concentrating on feeding themselves, supposedly there is no archaeological evidence that these ancient people had any use for things like racism, biphobia, transhobia, misogyny, misandry, or whatever. Supposedly, these prejudices of heteropatriarchy originated during agricultural societies, and Aristotle made things worse by saying that women were practically "deformed men" who served little purpose. (Granted, I had no idea that Aristotle was that repugnant in high school, but as I read more into the translations that Arabic and Greek scholars made of his work, I was appalled.) I'm sure many people would be horrified at the prospect that so many people viewed women as mere tools to beget future generations. The heteropatriarchy can be religious or even nonreligious. It teaches people to look down on women of various sorts. These not only include trans women, but also women who, for varying reasons, cannot or will not have children. I'm not going to get into the medical medical minutiae of it as I did on the threads the other day. But it wasn't just Baptists and pagans who were doing this. It's really amazing and disturbing. Indeed, there are many women who become adults and they have the gall to say that other women who have suffered abuse should just put up with it, be quiet, and wait for the good things to come. I feel sorry for them, since they think that's all we can do. Being a strong woman does not necessarily mean being single. It doesn't entail not having children. Strong women come in all shapes and sizes, and from all walks of life. Experiences, environments, genetics, and choices shape all of us humans on this earth. As such, there is not one way to be female. Now, on to the main points: I often feel that arguments in favor of homosexuality tend to ignore lesbian issues. Lesbophobia is something that really needs to be addressed. Both lesbian women and bisexual women have suffered abuse, other crimes, unjustified firings, poor housing, etc. Also, it should be noted that many heterosexual women have suffered from lesbophobia simply over their desire to work, protect their kids from bad influences, etc. It has been argued that many of the women who were killed in the Holocaust were really working women who were uninterested in having children or marrying men. These included Jewish and Gypsy women, of course, but the swath of female survivors and martyrs of the Holocaust is endless. A primary reason for the heterosexism of the Holocaust was this: The Nazis wanted to butcher gay men for not becoming husbands and fathers in their absurd propaganda Empire of Hitler Youth. But they also had a severe problem with women who did not wish to conform with this. As mild as other forms of lesbophobia are, they are pervasive in society. Women are spat on (literally and figuratively) simply for not conforming to a heteronormative gaze. We are thankful for those who affirm our souls, the cores of our personalities. (I'm using the term soul in a nonspiritual sense. I mean essence.) https://academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...ale-to-Female-Transsexuals-Have-Female-Neuron Additionally, while I commend these scientists for discovering that some women are born in the wrong body and some men are born in the wrong body, I am by no means saying that gender is just masculine and feminine. Not at all. I like the idea of a much wider spectrum. I think it is demeaning to people who identify as neutrois, androygnous, etc. to say that there are only two genders. As such, I also feel it is demaning to intersex persons. There's a reason that the LGBT movement should be called the LGBTQ or LGBTI movement instead. We shouldn't leave out people who are queer or intersex. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people who feel that they are fluid in their identity. That fluidity may be lifelong, and there is nothing wrong with that. I believe that is why terms like bigender, trigender, third gender, and Two-Spirit were formed. Some people just really get tired of being forced into an absolute masculine tent and an absolute feminine tent. That could feel constraining in the sense of labels being forced upon them. Labels are involuntarily fixed upon whole swaths of people, and I can see why people would be so offended. It really makes people as offended as those who complained about racism, since these are justifiable complaints. Of course, trans people have been around since Ancient Egypt. I was looking at evidence of how the ancient peoples, including the Romans treated trans people, and I was appalled. Generally, it seems that most people are accepting of transgender folk if we keep quiet and don't advocate for equal rights (for ourselves and others). That's how many activists are mistreated. We saw that in the previous century, of course. Lastly, I think that this would be good for people who identify as heterosexual, as well. During the twelfth grade, my psychology textbook said that androgynous-minded people are some of the most mentally healthy people of all. What that meant was that being androgynous really had nothing to do with one's orientation. It was more of a mental image concept. Strong women and men who identify as straight but are not afraid to learn from each other, evolve, and grow as humanitarians are badposterior. On a more fundamental level, I would think that most people could benefit from the ideas of neuro-diversity. People with dyslexia are often talented with math, exceptionally so. I admired meeting people like that in high school. We just need to look at people as being different, unique, exceptional, and above all else, individual. That's my take. Have a fabulous day, everyone. Keep smilin'.