Canada Americans kill Canadians in Kandahar.

Hi Bravo, thanks for pointing this out.

As an American that has lived both in Canada AND Saudi Arabia I would like to say a few things. First off, I am very sorry for what an incompetent pilot has done to those brave soldiers out there. I have even met a couple of them when I was in Kingston.

I would also like to ask, who holds a command postition in the Canadian military? Does any one actually know, from personal experiance just how much the US army does for your country?

Did you know that a Major in the United states Military recieves more benifits, more pay, and more recognition from the government than the average Canadian Major? Does Canada appreciate their military less? Maybe you take them for granted? I'm just speaking from what I've seen, because nowhere in the 30+ countries I've visited have I seen more dispicable treatment of their army. In Kingston, the military housing is below the standard poverty level. I suggest that before protesting how the american govenment treats the Canadian military, you all take a good hard look at just how you are treating them yourselves.

Also, when a Canadian regiment is sent out on a peace keeping mission, they are not known as 'the Canadians', they are simply another group of soldiers out there, voluntarily risking their lives. And as regrettable as it is, mistakes happen. And the responsible for this mistake probably feels pretty bad right now about killing those soldiers.

As for this story not being plastered on cnn for hours (as it probably was on the Canadian stations) I think that is pretty selfish. A country mourns for their own. I am sure that you all felt awful about all the american soldiers that died in afganistan, but have you been flying all your flags at half-mast for over a month because of that? I doubt it. It is not the responsibility of a country to mourn over other citizens. (Cold sounding, I know, but that is the way a government works). America offered it's regrets, but the news stations (which are wholly independent of the US government) decided what to broadcast and what not to. And for some reason they decided it was not front page material. I won't justify what they did, because my whole view on propaganda is slightly 'different' than the norm, and would not fit in with this rant. (propaganda=evil...)

Now I understad I am a highly opinionized person, but please take into context that while I lived in Canada, my stay was far from pleasent. As a high schooler, I was harrased for being an american, my life was even threatened. Then when I was in Saudi Arabia, my life was also threatened there, and I was evacuated into Germany. But I know that just because there are a few bad eggs in both cultures I know that the whole country is not bad. Yes even tho Canada may be a little bit to socialistic for me, and yes, Saudi was a bit to... um... blood thirsty. I respect both countries. And Canada is a great place, and those molsen commercials are awsome... you know the 'I am Canadian' ones.

Go in Peace, and please do not be so quick to judge.

 

Deep breath.......

As a United States Marine of over twelve years service, and a member of many a combined forces exercise, I can only say.....I deeply bereave your loss. Such incidents are the tragedies of war, and often are the subject matter of future discussions...but for the poor troops on the deck, and the pilot above, that is never good enuf. I can tell you that the pilot's I've worked with over the years would be contemplating the muzzle of their .45 by now if they had been a part of such a mistake. I know this will do little to console the families of our fallen brothers....and any military individual is like family to me....but my heart goes out to them all. I may not be a proper representative of the US government, but as a military man I say to you all.....I am very, very sorry. May God look down upon all your service folks with a smile, and I for one, really appreciate CANADA. May the Force be with you all.

 

I would like to thank all the Americans who have shown their support here. Canadians recognize your support, and we are very greatful. It is the President's reaction that I personally am upset with. I realize that accidents do happen, but when they do, you need to be able to act properly. President Bush did not do this, in my opinion.

 

Politicians rarely get it right...that's why they are called politicians. Take heart that most Americans feel badly about any allied loss of life in this conflict, and realize that it is the feelings of one nation to another that matter, not the wayward politics of it. Again, my heart goes out to the families......I hope John Edwards is right, and they are all there waiting for us....when it's my turn to go, I'm gonna be the first one there to buy them all a round at God's own NCO club.

 

I second kitarusapien.

 

Yeah, Politicians haven't a clue to whats going on most of the time. They're seperated from the world surrounded with both domestic and foriegn things to deal with. Then there's the interns

Honestly the only politician I liked was Mcain, I don't really know why, but he seemed like a good honest guy.

 

McCain?

This is Canada General, and in Canada McCain only means one thing.

Bad frozen food, and even worse commercials for their bad frozen food.

 

It's actually McCains, but close enough.

 

LOL! Didn't they have fruit juice too? I liked that.

 

Hey! Don't be dissin' on my McCain's chocolate cake! It's the best cake around!

In all seriousness, though, I would like to see friendly-fire casualty reports from other countries versus that of the United States. I am quite curious as to if they in fact suffer more casualties that way.

 

I can attest to the fact that most NATO nations are far less perfected in their war-arts that the US, Canada, and Britain.....they're not bad at all, mind yu.....a dang sight better than the Chinese or Russians(even in their hay-day; yu just never heard about their mistakes for obvious reasons)and combined exercises are always the toughest to pull off since they are as close to the real thing as we can portray....therein lies the threat, the challenges, and the tragedies.

 

Just one thing...

I am sure that you all felt awful about all the american soldiers that died in afganistan, but have you been flying all your flags at half-mast for over a month because of that? I doubt it. It is not the responsibility of a country to mourn over other citizens.

Yeah, but these were friendly fire deaths, that's what makes it a little different.

And I live in Kingston, and I've talked with RMC boys, and they have it better than most college students.

 

Well sure on RMC they do, they live in dorms. Have you gone over to the area where the families of the military guys live? Have you ever been inside one of those hovels? I knew tons of people that lived their and all of them hated those houses. If they could they moved off asap.

I lived in Kingston for three years. Great town, I plan on visiting there sometime. I went to Regi for a while.

 

Yeah, but these were friendly fire deaths, that's what makes it a little different.

True. But both Canadian soldiers and US soldiers died for one cause: Freedom

 

True. But both Canadian soldiers and US soldiers died for one cause: Freedom

That's debateable. Are we there to protect freedom, or are we there because the Americans want us to fight their enemies? That's up to each individual person to decide.

 

Bravo, I don't know where the point of your message was, but my post was in response to why the US had a responsibility to mourn the deaths of foreign citizens.

 

I'm still not convinced that we're there to protect freedom. So far, I have seen no indications that the terrorists want to take away Canadian freedom. They got angry at the USA and attacked them. It's not our war. Under different circumstances (like if our neighbours treated us better) I would certainly support aiding our closest ally, but until they start showing some appreciation for our support, I don't think it should be given.

 

everytime i here about our (Canadian) soldiers helping out i think of operation get behind the darkies from the southpark movie lol protect the tanks and planes aswell!!!!

 

That's debateable. Are we there to protect freedom, or are we there because the Americans want us to fight their enemies? That's up to each individual person to decide.

You may think its debatable. And it may be. But if NATO didn't go in there, the next target could very well be Canadians or even people from the UK. The US, Canada, and the UK are some of the most powerful nations on earth. These nations are also really the only nations that could in a moments notice, deploy soldiers anywhere on the Earth. The reason why Canada and the UK helped the US, is because of NATO. If the tables were reversed, the US would help out Canada and the UK in a moments notice.

 

Umm... are we talking about the same USA that is currently putting a 22% tax on all of our softwood lumber exports to them? The same USA that is considering diverting the salt water Devil's Lake into the fresh water Red River, causing massive ecological change and, dare I say, damage to us living on the Red River's shores? The United States helps out people only when it serves it's own purpose. Heck, look at the Gulf War. Do you really think the US was there to help the people of Iran? Not by a long shot. They were there to make sure that an American-hating Arab didn't get total control of the oil industry over there.

 

Good points, Greyshadow. I think I'll add a few more examples tomorrow. But for now, I'll leave you with this:

The tariff is actually 29%.

 

the same with kuwait grey.

 

Umm... are we talking about the same USA that is currently putting a 22% tax on all of our softwood lumber exports to them? The same USA that is considering diverting the salt water Devil's Lake into the fresh water Red River, causing massive ecological change and, dare I say, damage to us living on the Red River's shores? The United States helps out people only when it serves it's own purpose. Heck, look at the Gulf War. Do you really think the US was there to help the people of Iran? Not by a long shot. They were there to make sure that an American-hating Arab didn't get total control of the oil industry over there.

Politics. Thats all I have to say. I hate politics and always will. They don't care about the people of the US even, they care about them. If they can get richer by doing this and that, then they will find a way. Its the same way in every country. And if you look really closly, you can see that the rich people still control most nation's governments, or at least a large part of them.

 

NOTE: The following list is not intended to be anti-American, but it is intended to be anti-government. If you do not want to be exposed to a viewpoint other than that carried by the American media, stop reading now. I don't want some American coming in here, taking this stuff personally, and getting me banned. I like Americans, for the most part. It's when they start to defend America when the issue of American atrocities is brought up that bothers me. To me, an American that is willing to admit that their government and foreign policy is not perfect, and is willing to respect my country, is an American that I can get along with very well. So Bravo, and any of you that think like him, try not to take this personally, because I have nothing against you.

The American government is only interested in supporting America, and it doesn't care what happens to the rest of the world. There are many reasons why most of the world is anti-American. Here are a few reasons:

1. A 29% tariff on Canadian softwood exports becuause our industry is more efficient. Note that Bush claims to fully support free trade.
2. Northern Command, a proposed defence perimeter that would have American forces patrolling Canadian soil and Canadian waters. A threat to our sovereignty. The American government is trying to force it upon the Canadian government.
3. Gulf War. Anyone who believes that the Americans were there to help the Kuwaitis, and did not care about the oil, is kidding themselves.
4. Operation: Enduring Freedom. It's not well known, because of media censorship, but many Afghan civilians have died in this campaign. They were accidentally and "collateral damage". The American military sure seems to have a lot of accidents, eh? Here's a thought: train your men before you send them into battle. Don't believe me? Do a google search for "americans killed civilians".
5. The carelessness that caused the incident that this thread is dedicated to.
6. Bush's indifference the day after the accident.
7. The booing of the Canadian anthem at sporting events. Obviously, that's not the fault of the entire country, but it is the fault of the handful of Americans that are doing it.
8. Bush's Axis of Evil speech. What was he trying to do? Get Iraq, Iran, and North Korea to like him? I think not.
9. Bush's intentions to invade Iraq, a country which has not committed acts of war against American for many years.
10. The ignorance of most Americans on many world issues, no doubt stemming from their manipulative media.
11. The control America has over Canada upsets many of us. Some of us don't want to go to a mall and find nothing but American stores. What is this? Pre-Castro Cuba?
12. America refuses to do anything to help the environment, like ratify Kyoto. Thanks for the acid rain, Bush. You owe me a new car.
13. In a recent poll, with results accurate 19 times out of 20, 30% of Americans consider Canada to be the 51st state, only 18% chose Canada as their closest ally, and only 14% knew that Canada is their largest trading partner. Source: The Globe and Mail
14. The United States government recently practically forced the Canadian government to adopt tighter immigration laws, after a lie was publicized to the American people that over 50 terrorist organizations, including Al-Quida, are operating out of Canada. This is clearly a move to keep Canada's population low. In order to sustain population, the birth rate must be 2.1. In Canada, it is 1.7. We rely on immigrants to sustain our population, which is important for our economic future. Multi-culturalism is also an important aspect of Canadian culture. The United States government, by pressuring us to tighten our immigration laws, is seeking to keep Canada under their oppressive heel.

I could go on for ever, but I think I've made my point clear. Wilson's not the only one who can scrape together 14 points.

America: land of the controlling, manipulative media, and the government that allows the people as little freedom as it can get away with.

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Bush is Bush. I don't think he will be elected to run a second time.

You should watch what you say Admiral_Thrawn60. Although you claim you are not being anti-american, you are. Its one thing to acuse Bush of doing things wrong, its quite another to judge America on his actions. And, I know why people hate America, because we are the land of the free and of the brave. We have one goal, freedom to all. Nations without that type of government hate us, because we fight and die for freedom. If Canada was as America is, everyone would hate Canada. Its a fact, its been seen through out history, with the old England, France, Gernmany, acient Rome, acient Greece, and other super powers of old.