PT Anakin Deserved More Respect From The Jedi Council

Okay so Anakin is the chosen one as we all know. And yet the Council literally treats him like he's a kid. Anakin is renowned by the galaxy as the best warrior in the order, he kills Count Dooku AND SAVES THE CHANCELLOR, yet the Council refuses him Mastery. And they only let him sit on the Council because they wanted to use him as a SPY!

The Council told him that as well. That's like going into a warzone and saving the US President and then getting back and not getting promoted to a higher military rank. I mean he just saved the Chancellor and killed Dooku, and the Council treats him like a kid and uses him to spy. Plus Mace Windu even tells him later in the movie that he doesn't trust him. Like really? No wonder Anakin felt pulled to Palpatine, the Jedi disrespected him.

 

Not saying they did not disrespect him, but he was treated like a kid, because he kind of acted like one. He was impulsive and disobedient of his master. Despite that, I think he was deserving of Mastery...

 

Yes, we know, because we've seen ROTJ. In-universe, it's just a belief.

No, he doesn't.

It's Anakin who believed that just because Palpatine wants him to be on the Council that he would get the rank of Master. That's not how it works, and they've rightfully denied it to him.

Obviously.

Perhaps you should pay attention to what the Jedi are about, and what happens & is stated in the movies.

Anakin, during the events of AOTC, went against his Jedi mandate and the mission that was bestowed upon him by rushing to Tatooine to see his mother. If any Jedi ceased to trust him, it's perfectly understandable.

Him saving Palpatine and killing Dooku is not and never was in question, not sure why you're even bringing that up. Not to mention that his feats and skills don't inherently grant him a promotion of rank within the order. Nor, as a Jedi, should he seek self promotion.

Also, not being pandered to doesn't mean he's being disrespected. To imply that following Palpatine's seduction is rightful is completely missing the point of the story.

 

They should have spanked him. Never did any of my kids any harm.

 

Alexrd, No it's not just a belief. George Lucas confirmed that Anakin is The Chosen One and that he fulfilled the prophecy. And yes they denied him mastery because of their rank, but it seemed to me he deserved it. And yes I know Anakin screwed up when the Council gave him trust in AOTC, but years had passed between then and ROTS. He had become a hero in TCW. And I'm not implying it was the right choice to follow Palp, I'm just saying The Jedi did not seem keen on trusting him.

 

They were right. Anakin killed an unarmed man. As for the operation, it was all Obi-Wan's idea.

 

If Anakin deserved to be a Master he wouldn't have reacted so petulantly to not being made one. It's kind of a zen paradox but it's true.

 

Anakin was the youngest Jedi to have a seat on the Council. That was an honour in itself. He was, of course, on the Council by virtue of Palpatine's meddling. This would have set some alarm bells ringing. Given time, I have no doubt that the Jedi would have made Anakin a master and given him a seat on the Council.

As for his rescuing Palpatine and eliminating Dooku, that served only to prove his martial valour. Similar actions in the real world would likely earn someone a medal and serious acclaim. They would not, however, earn an immediate promotion to the highest ranks of the military.

I do agree with your point regarding Mace Windu. Windu may have correctly assessed that Anakin's feelings regarding Palpatine were in turmoil. This was ample reason to have Anakin stay behind whilst others carried out Palpatine's arrest. That said, I always had the impression that Mace disliked and mistrusted Anakin from the outset. I always felt that Anakin faced a certain prejudice by virtue of having begun his training so late.

 

Look at Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon was long denied a seat on the Council despite probably deserving one, simply because he didn't always toe the party line. But Qui-Gon doesn't really seem to care. He's content with going his own way, even if it means he doesn't get the honor and glory that comes from being granted a higher rank. That's the example Anakin should have emulated. If he were a true Master, then he wouldn't lust for public recognition of that fact. He would be content with knowing that he was a Master at heart, even if the Mace Windus of the world refused to see it.

But he did lust for it, and so ended up proving his detractors right.

 

Let's not forget, Anakin was a slave so social status is important to him but the Jedi don't really understand it. The Jedi are right he's not ready to be a Master yet but it might have been better if they didn't put him on the Council at all. Especially since they also need him to spy on Palpatine. It seems to me, the Council has never accepted Anakin as one of their own and I'm sure he knows it.

 

*sigh*

I said that in-universe, it's just a belief. It's only at the climax of ROTJ that it becomes fact. The Jedi haven't seen ROTJ.

No, not because of their rank. They denied him because being on the Council merely as the Chancellor's representative doesn't mean he should get the rank. And why does it seem to you that he deserves it? How do you know the requirements to become one?

What does that got to do with anything?

The Jedi did trust him. Mace didn't and for perfectly valid reasons. Yet he still gave Anakin the chance to earn it back.

 

Exactly.

The council is treating him exactly as they should as a Jedi.

He's not a Master and isn't yet ready for it.

So really there is no real problem from the way the Jedi handle him.

We only know the problem as observers of the whole story that they do not have.

What they do and what Anakin does makes complete sense in terms of the story and how the characters and situations are presented.

Again right on the mark.

Yoda may having been watching over Luke but if he had only seen ROTJ before training him then things would have gone a lot smoother!

 

Dooku is an unarmed prisoner - killing him is murder.

If he is ignoring the Jedi code (killing unarmed prisoners, even getting married (though the other Jedi don't know about this)) the Windu is right not to trust him.

 

The Jedi don't know that he killed him that way, the same way they don't know about his massacre and marriage. Mace didn't trust him, but not for any of those reasons.

 

Kind of hard to earn respect when you’re bull-headed, do things your own way, and you literally throw a temper tantrum before the Council’s very eyes, saying, “What? How could you do this? It’s not fair! How can you be on the council, and not be a master!?” If I were Anakin and received this special honor, I would’ve simply bowed gracefully, said, “Thank you, my Master. I will do my best” and go to my seat. They may not have trusted him for multiple reasons, but it’s not like Anakin didn’t do his best to provide them with crystal clear evidence why they wouldn’t trust him.

 

"It's the Council's fault he threw a tantrum! If they just gave him everything he wanted the instant he wanted it, because he wanted it, he wouldn't have to! They're meanie poo heads, like all grownups! He's special! Telling him to conduct himself maturely like any other Jedi is oppression! It's not faaaiiir!"

Did I leave anything out?

 

The Council just did not know how to deal with his power; the fear was he could become too powerful to contain. That's why they didn't grant him the rank of Master.

 

Sometimes I wonder what movie some people have watched.

 

The one where Darth Sidious, Force Satan, is to be considered a font of impartial and absolute truth and sane, reasonable worldviews, because the Jedi can never be forgiven by the fandom for working cooperatively with the system and requiring self-sacrifice and discipline instead of being wicked sick loner vigilantes who answer to no one and don't play by the RULES.

 

He didn't trust him because he can sense his thoughts and his intentions thanks to the Force. Mace was the most powerful Jedi only second to Yoda. He also sensed the dark side of the Chancellor before Anakin told him the truth. Mace's distrust on Anakin only began after Anakin's massacre on Sand People. He sensed something in the Force and went to Yoda, and Yoda mentioned about Anakin's dark emotions to him back then, and after that he was always suspecting about Anakin and they can also sense how he killed an unarmed man, and then being married.



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?! No, he didn't.

Yes, he was.

No, he sensed the dark side 'surrounding the Chancellor'. Not in him.

No. Mace's distrust on Anakin was only revealed in ROTS, after the events of AOTC, in which Anakin broke his trust by not sticking to the mission that he was assigned in order to act on his fear of loss.

No, Mace went to Yoda and after seeing him unsettled, he asked him what was going on, to which he replied that Anakin was in 'terrible pain'. Nothing to do with "sensing something in the Force' or 'dark emotions'.

No, he didn't. And no, they can't.

 

Mace can sense what's going on with Anakin, that's not something new.



''I sense great deal of confusion in you young Skywalker. There is much fear cloud your judgement.''

 

Indeed. He even asks him what's wrong and is surprised at what Yoda tells him.

 

So basically every OT purists' idea of how the Jedi should have been?