ST Anakin Skywalker in the New Films

Yeah very disappointing.... I would have loved to see Anakin and Obi wan communicate with Rey at least, maybe she is about to give up but they tell her to keep going and that she can help Luke return to the light. Anakin not even being mentioned once is a big slap in the face. The Chosen One prophecy has been pretty much completely ignored. Disney continues with its disrespect of the prequels.

 

On the bright side, with Anakin not showing up, at least they couldn't mess up his character like they have everyone else's in the ST.

 

I really like the concept of Anakin returning in the ST as a spirit, even in a brief role. I found his concept ideas created for TFA really intriguing.

How neat a scene would it have been to have old crazy hermit Luke bickering/communing/learning from Force spirits Yoda, old Obi-Wan, Anakin, and heck, maybe even Qui-Gon, lol. I'll concede perhaps that's too much, but I think a scene with Luke and Anakin communing with each other could have been really powerful.

 

Ya. As it stands now it's just a huge plot hole.

 

At it to the LONG list of plot holes created by this mess of a movie lol

 

Well Rian was asked about Obi wan and he said that from a story telling point of view it wouldn't have worked very well to have Ewan as obi wan talking to luke because there was less of an emotional connection between the 2 actors you never seen interact before previously for the audience.

I am gonna guess thats the same reason with Hayden, it was about giving back those old school feeling of seeing yoda and luke together.

 

Anakin talking to Luke would honestly have made a lot more sense than Yoda.

 

It would have been powerful to see Anakin visiting Luke just before he died and passed into the force.

 

It ultimately doesn't make sense for either Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor to show up in this trilogy because none of the actors in this film had any relationship to them previously. And to be honest, while Obi-Wan might have been a paternal presence for Luke in ANH, Yoda was the one who taught Luke the most in the OT, and therefore his return in TLJ felt natural.

 

Sorry Rian your talking completely ridiculous twaddle there... - It's called ACTING

 

Agreed. "Yoda will always be with you." They set up his appearance in ROTJ, and it makes total sense.

 

Maybe. But I still think it would make sense to have Anakin/Ben because of their relationship. But that is over now. Anakin could still appear in IX, I mean that would totally make sense since Vader was mentioned more than once.

 

Force Ghost Anakin needs to pay Kylo a visit and have some words with him. I don't know if it'll get thru, but he still needs to do it because Vader is part of Kylo's motivation.

 

I get what Rian was saying, he basically wanted that nostalgic connection to see yoda and luke talking like they did in the OT.

 

Makes sense, but in that case I still had trouble accepting Yoda acting more like his goofy ESB intro self back when he was testing Luke. Actually made me (half-jokingly) hypothesize that ghost Yoda wasn't really there, and Luke was just projecting that version of Yoda.

So, yeah, I have no problem with the idea of Yoda appearing, but given the execution I definitely would've preferred a Luke/Anakin moment instead.

 

I don't know that it would have made more sense as such but just as much certainly.

Depends how you do it.

Anakin failed as a Jedi but Luke brought him back so in the context of the movie it would be about Anakin talking to Luke would then bring Luke back the way Yoda did.

Certainly in terms of raw emotion it'd be far more powerful for a father and son scene with now the father helping the son after the son helped the father.

Also since Luke had cut himself off then that means that Luke hadn't seen Anakin for years and of course Ben Solo is following a path similar to Anakin as Vader and Rey is following a path also similar to Anakin.

It's not about HC or EM but Anakin and Obi-Wan and they both do have relationships with Luke (as does Yoda) but between the 3 of them a fully renewed in spirit Anakin is the only one who hasn't had a scene with Luke in Star Wars.

Yes Yoda and Obi-Wan were failures also but not to the degree that Anakin and now Luke were. Anakin and Luke both abandoned the Jedi. Anakin as a Sith and Luke by deciding it was time for the Jedi to end. Obi-Wan and Yoda never went there.

Anakin helping Luke would be a nice tie-off to their relationship in the movies.

 

Goodbye.

 

No way. Yoda failed & exiled himself on Dagobah. He was also reluctant at first to train another Jedi. The similarities between Luke & Yoda's situation, & their place of isolation made Yoda the obvious choice.

 

Yes but Yoda never stopped being a Jedi.

He had hope through Luke and Leia and Obi-Wan was still around as well.

Luke totally gave up. Completely and utterly gave up because he had no one.

Did Yoda do that? No.

Did Obi-Wan do that? No.

Did Anakin do that? Yes.

So in terms of parallels it's a no-contest. Anakin gave up and Luke brought him back so having Luke give up and Anakin bring him back (after his experience with Rey) makes complete plot, story and character sense.

Does Yoda work very well? Sure but Anakin just works far better.

 

Luke is also directly responsible for Kylo's turn, in a way that Yoda and Obi-Wan simply weren't. Luke also lets a completely new Empire spring up around Snoke, while Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't know the Empire was coming until it was too late, and after that it had the full support of the population and control of the galaxy.

 

exactly

 

Exactly.

Luke's failure is monumental.

I mean the failure of Yoda, Obi-Wan and the Jedi was terrible but Luke's is 10x worse.

The other thing (and this is getting a bit off-topic but I'll tie it in) is that Luke was not angry at Yoda for his failure with Sidious or Anakin. So that tells me that Luke didn't really believe what he told Rey. He was projecting his failure on to them and was really talking about himself.

So again this ties to Anakin who was blaming the Jedi for his problems when it was really his fault. Anakin knew he wanted more and shouldn't have. In his case though he failed, turned to the Dark side and then rationalized that it was all the Jedi and Obi-Wan's fault.

So again the spirit of Anakin would realize this and be able to tell Luke.

Remember after the destruction of the temple Luke soon cut himself off from the Force so Anakin had never talked to him since before that incident.

 

Luke and Anakin should pay a visit to Kylo in EPISODE IX.

 

I could see that happening. Maybe as a last chance to save him (though Luke doesn't seem to believe it possible for Ben).

 

In the discussion about Luke's failure with Ben, I sense a lot of you are removing any volition from Ben whatsoever. TFA and TLJ clearly present that Ben was going dark before the night that Luke confronted him. Luke may have failed at that confrontation, but that does not excuse Ben for the bad choices he had made up until that point, or that he would make in that moment, or the years that followed.