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PT Anakin Skywalker MEGAthread - Don't talk to him about sand, it makes him uncomfortable

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Tonyg, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. Harbour

    Harbour Jedi Master star 3

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    Hayden's acting of 20yo boy who suffered through mother loss was on point. Id even say that he is underreacting.
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    Hayden's acting of conflicted 23yo young man whispered by Palpatine on Invisible Hand was on point.
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    And his realization of that he did something pretty bad
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    Hayden's acting of suffered man who burns out everything good left in him screaming was absolutely on point.
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    Hayden's acting of angered hateful man was absolutely on point.
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    It were mostly some of the quiet moments with cardboard dialogues about politics or love where he acted not good, but neither do some more famous actors like Samuel L.J or Natalie Portman.

    And did you look at Adam Driver in the the scenes where he is not screaming? His voice always trembling, and eyes always wet, like he is gonna cry every time he need to talk someone. Maybe thats the distinctive side of his personality but its by no means less annoying or whiny acting that Hayden's in AotC.

    And when it comes to dramatic scenes, Hayden in RotS third act trumps everything Adam did in ST. The gifs above are enough to prove it.
    What about Kylo's dramatic moments? That 30yo grown man who supposed to act like a 30yo man?
    "Im torn apart"(c)
    That was the moment in TFA when i cringed. I hate when authors aren't able to show us the suffering, so they need to tell us this through the words of characters. When it comes to Kylo, i still dont know why he is specifically torn. He acted pure evil all the time.

    So yeah, i completely disagree with those who say that Kylo is what Anakin should be. Thats nonsense, as well as Adam's abilities to pull off better Anakin than Hayden.
     
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  2. Mandalorian Riddler

    Mandalorian Riddler Jedi Master star 4

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    ^ Yeah, Kylo is and Anakin shouldn't be compared in terms of mental state etc.
     
  3. wobbits

    wobbits Jedi Master star 4

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    @Harbour - those are gifs are great! I'd also include the ruminations scene. It communicates his inner struggle well for me.

    I remember watching an interview with Hayden where he talked about his mindset on how he first thought he was going to be playing Vader- he was anticipating that the intensity and the anger was where he'd be going from the beginning. He said he was not expecting to be asked to hold back for so long with all the romance/political aspects. I think if the films had started in a different time frame, there would have been more of the anger, more ass kicking action which would have been awesome.
     
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  4. Rickleo123

    Rickleo123 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Not starting the prequels with AOTC and spreading ROTS out into two films was the biggest loss from the prequels. Would have loved to see Hayden as Anakin in three films.
     
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  5. wobbits

    wobbits Jedi Master star 4

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    I understand why George wanted us to see him as a little boy. It broke my heart to watch him have to choose between going with Qui Gon and or staying with his mother, but I do agree it would have been awesome if there had been more fleshed out action with teenaged Anakin.
     
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  6. KnightOfRen66

    KnightOfRen66 Jedi Youngling

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    The problem fundamentally with anakin's character in the prequels is that in the OT he is said to be this great war hero and a good friend by obi-won kenobi but we never really see either of those in the prequels. the second movie is only the beginning of the war and he gets his ass kicked by count dooku. In the third movie he ****s over the entire jedi order because palpatine somehow convinced him that the jedi were evil after murdering mace windu.
    the clone wars tv show makes anakin look very heroic in my opinion but the movies do not. We see him arguably at his very worst in episodes 2 and 3. 1 doesn't really count because hes a little kid and doesn't really do all that much.
     
  7. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC/PT/New Films Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    you should watch the first hour of revenge of the sith

    also, welcome to the boards!
     
  8. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Did it ever occur to you those were nostalgic memories of an old friend spoken by an old man? We already know Ben lied to Luke about his father. So why would he not emphasize and maybe exaggerate a little bit the good qualities of his apprentice before he became evil? I'd say that's all very natural. And YES, Anakin in AOTC and ROTS was indeed a good friend to Kenobi. "You were my BROTHER, Anakin. I LOVED you!". Hardly the words of a man who isn't genuinely heartbroken at having lost a good friend. When did he ever say "war hero"? He merely said something like "good pilot and cunning warrior", not exactly the same as "hero"!
     
  9. themoth

    themoth Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree. There had to be elements of Anakin being reckless and aggressive interwoven with him still being a likeable character. It's a gradual descent. I think it's fascinating how icons don't necessarily see themselves as icons. Vader, this mythical identity, was once just a person who made a deal with the devil. And out of love. He was a master of the Dark Side, but only because he was tricked into that life. It's fascinating.
     
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  10. Mandalorian Riddler

    Mandalorian Riddler Jedi Master star 4

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    Seeing him defeat Palpy was the best part for Anakin in my opinion.. He showed Luke his true self
     
  11. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    I remember cheering in Episode III when Anakin drew his saber on Palpatine after finding out he was a Sith. Always makes the adrenaline pump, and makes me wish Anakin would bring the blade down. Of course, we all know how it has to end...so it's always a tragedy to see Anakin was so close to defeating the Sith then and there.

    Gotta love Palpatine being slightly nervous.
     
  12. Gamma626

    Gamma626 Jedi Master star 4

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    I always enjoyed the PT, having grown up with it. After being thouroughly disappointed in the ST however, my appreciation continues to grow. The PT, plus Clone Wars, has really moved Anakin up there for me in terms of favorite characters. He's right behind Luke as one of my favorites in the saga. I thought Hayden did a more than fine job with the material he was given. I hope we see him again too, via flashback or dreams in a kenobi film. Lucasfilm can give up the act that the PT was so bad now that they've managed to bungle up their own trilogy. Embrace the actors while they still can.
     
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  13. Mostly Handless

    Mostly Handless Jedi Master star 4

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    R.E. Kylo vs Anakin. Two different characters with completely different motivations, to say one is what the other 'should' have been is a huge disservice to both. (Personally I'd argue that Kylo's arc in the ST doesn't work nearly as well without the context of his Grandfather's in the PT. But that's a whole other can of worms.)

    R.E. Hayden vs Adam, I feel both actors performed to the best of their abilities given the material they had to work with.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  14. Tonyg

    Tonyg Jedi Master star 3

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    I would read the beginning of the thread before posting, you will find anwers to your arguments. And generally is the the better way. Welcome to the boards!
     
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  15. kitkatjedi

    kitkatjedi Jedi Youngling

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    Or maybe he doesn't like sand because he grew up in Tatoonie and was a slave there, so maybe since Tatooine is a desert planet it makes him think about his past
     
  16. Mostly Handless

    Mostly Handless Jedi Master star 4

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    ^^^TBH I've never quite understood what all the drama over the 'sand' line is about. It's purpose is to highlight the contrast between Anakin's childhood and Padme's. She had a privileged upbringing, with wealthy parents, on a planet that's supposed to resemble paradise. He led a harsh existence as the bottom rung of society, in a godforsaken part of the galaxy, being exploited for money.
    Personally, I'd argue that this gulf in upbringing and perspective is one of the biggest reasons their relationship is ultimately unsuccessful.
     
  17. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Me neither. Anakin casually mentions something from his childhood, maybe because he can't think of anything else to say, or because he feels comfortable opening up to Padmé, and people act like Hayden is the worst actor in history??? What's the big deal here?[face_dunno]
     
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  18. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Force Ghost star 5

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    It's not even out of nowhere, Padme was literally talking about sand in the line before.
     
  19. CLee

    CLee Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I think it would have been better if Anakin was somewhere between 12-15 in Episode I and then Episode II set not quite so long after, so that he would be 18-20, with ten years and different actors between the films there's just too much of an unseen, barely covered gap in his development.
     
  20. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Would have been very difficult to find a suitable actor at that age and then play the same role again 3 years later. No, it's fine as it is. We have Jake Lloyd playing the kid, then Hayden took over, worked very well for me.
     
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  21. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 5

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    I agree with your post except for that last paragraph. We have no evidence that Padmé's family was "wealthy". And wealth or lack thereof played no part in Anakin and Padmé's relationship, therefore it was not a reason for why it failed. It failed because of lies and Anakin's greed.
     
  22. CLee

    CLee Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Sure it would be pretty difficult but Portman was somehow able to pretty successfully/believably play 14 in '97 and then 20/22/even actually 24 just three years later.
     
  23. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yes, Natalie did it, but she was really special, and already had acting experience at 12 in Leon. What male actor could have done the job of playing Anakin at those different ages? I can't think of anyone. Hayden was perfect as 20-year old Anakin. I'm not sure if he would have been convincing 3 or 4 years earlier. Even if Lucas had ever considered a 13 or 14-year old Anakin, I don't think the same actor could have done the job. Besides, he had always wanted to introduce Anakin at age 9 or 10, for storytelling reasons. A shorter time gap would not have worked well in this situation. Natalie was convincing as both a 13- as well as 23-year old. But I don't think at that point there was a male actor that could have pulled that off.
     
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  24. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    @Harbour, good points up above.

    I challenge ANY actor to perform those scenes-really the majority of ROTS-better than Hayden did. IMO he really sold a "conflicted, troubled Anakin, who ultimately turned to evil to save those whom he loves, yet still is aware of the atrocity of his actions, as he realizes there is no turning back-before ultimately giving in to the Darkside." I had NO difficulty seeing the emotion of all that in his performance.
     
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  25. wobbits

    wobbits Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree. His audible anguish during the slaughter of the Separatists on Mustafar was a great emotional moment.