Homer, you're saying 2 different things. the dark side will forever dominate one's destiny, but only unless your son comes along and convinces you to turn back. jedi go from good to bad, so why cant you go from bad to good? you're saying its possible & impossible. his turn, imo, began when he cut off dooku's head. forgive me for not reading every post on this thread. but i also believe anakin's turning is weak, nevermind the ridiculous fight scene, or the awful dialogue and acting. speaking purely of the motivations, it was weak. we all know he wanted desperately to keep padme alive after losing his mother. and i can even understand wanting to protect palpatine to do this. but then he immediately surrenders to the sith?! for what? in the hopes that they'll learn this power together? which brings me to my main point, how long did anakin think it would take to learn this power? i would guess years (thats how palpatine made it sound). palpatine didnt learn it his entire life apparently, and since padme was almost bursting with babies, and subsequently gave birth about 2 days after anakin turned, she must have been close already. did anakin really think he could learn this power in 2 days (or between then and the birth, which i expect would be no more than a couple weeks from the way padme looked, and the fact that she DID give birth shortly after darth vader, ADV)?! i see the motivation for wanting to prolong padme's life, but i just dont see what this has to do with killing all the jedi. because he had no other choice? i just dont buy that. i apologize, but i'm going to give my own idea on a better 'turning' for anakin (and bear in mind, i've only thought about this for 30 seconds.) the clone wars happen, and anakin becomes a master! and fights with the other jedi. in one major battle against the separatists (perhaps with count dooku or maul), many jedi are killed while he and obi-wan escape. he tells palpatine that he fears the republic will lose the war. palpatine tells him he must find some way to win, or they will lose. he perhaps teaches him how to use his anger to become more powerful in secret. perhps he even teaches himself lightning. then at the next major battle, anakin whips out the lightning and saves the day and is hailed as a hero by the clones and the senate, but obi-wan sees this. he brings up the lightning to the jedi council, who know it is a sith power. they decide obi-wan and mace must confront anakin (on mustafar?) - after anakin wins another battle, they confront him. they order him to stop using lightning, and to know how he learned it. he refuses, by claiming the war cannot be won without his new powers. a fight ensues: they gang up on anakin, and anakin is actually able to kill mace, but not before his own lightning screws himself up good (ala palps). then obi-wan is able to slice off his limbs and he burns up. he loses his lightning and suited vader thn goes on a hunt to kill the separatist leaders. the jedi discover the chancellor is the sith lord and try to kill him, but anakin saves the day again. they now have every reason to hunt down the jedi as true enemies of the republic, and the senate votes to eliminate the jedi... just an idea.