Lit Ancient Races: Celestials, Rakata, and Co

Question about the force somewhat related-does everyone think the force came into being alongside the universe or did it exist prior to the universe? Pantheism or panentheism?

 

I always liked that still retained something of the triple goddess with Dathomir with regards to TCW's Mother Talzin aka Mother or the Great Mother. She was basically the goddess, & she reminded me of Baba Yaga.

 

It was said that Xendor and Darth Ruin met The Ones. I wonder if Ajunta Pall also met The Ones.

 

It CREATED the universe

But why it chose the Star Wars galaxy to have life spring forth is quite strange. Yet, it goes to show that among the 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe, a GFFA is the special one with the Wellspring of Life on the Force Planet.

 

I’ve enjoyed looking at all this discussion in light of Supernatural Encounters, @Cronal

 

I still need to read that actually but glad to hear it. I had fun like looking back and connecting the dots.

 

- Choose Your Destiny: An Escape Mission canonizes “The Legend of Lehon”, a “legend” that says Tatooine was once covered by lush jungle and was “the domain of the Kumumgah”.

- The Rise of Skywalker: The Visual Dictionary canonizes “Gree” and “Aing-Tii” as names of species with neural activity resembling the motions and reactions of the plasma within ancient wayfinders.

 

Killiks are also mentioned in The Light You Bring, the Squadrons short story.

 

That made it sound as if they are not as mythological or believed to be extinct as in Legends.

 

A character says, “Well, there’s been no stirrings from Imperial Intelligence. Imperial Logistics, on the other hand, is buzzing like a Killik nest.”

 

Yea, I heard that also. Good to see the Killiks back if so though I kind of hope they keep that whole mystique behind them from Legends.

 

Well the Force is life and without a universe, is there life? On the other hand, what created the universe if not some form of life, which would mean the Force predated the universe. But then the Force kinda is around God(s) and what made them or did the Force predate them? Chicken and the Egg scenario.
Unless the Force is what w(h)illed the universe into existence... and the universe creates the Force through its life. Yin and Yang, ever cycling.

The triple Goddess, Maiden Mother Crone, aspect of Wicca and shamanism was well chosen for Dathomir. And interesting representation via Asajj, Talzin and Old Daka!

Given the emphasis on a missing Mother for the family in Legends, I assume Abeloth may have played into the triple goddess aspect of their culture. While the Ones are genderfluid and appear to each culture as their own, as per Book of Sith, to Dathomirians, the Father is a Mother, the Daughter a Daughter and the Son might be a Crone? A similiar triple configuration but with slightly different roles. Unless you account for Abeloth, or would she for Dathomiri feminists then be rather a Dark Man (with white eyes?)? It as well could be Daughter, Abeloth (the Ones' family maid turned Mother) and the original real Mother as another trinity. Imagine a Mortis family configuration with Abeloth as the head, and Daughter and her old Mom (maybe the Force Priestess(es) are said mom's spirit split into multiple personalities) as the other parts of the trinity whereas the Father is the one cast out and wreaking havoc to get back in control.

Anyway interesting culture and implications for Dathomir here!

Not every Sithlord needs to have met them. I hope at least!

But what do you imagine did they do with Xendor or Ruin? Or when/where/how did it go wrong? Where might it fit into their stories we know at least some bits about so far from various sources?

Well the Wellspring and Mortis are not physical locations, so neither in the GFFA literally but between worlds so to speak or the astral realm reacheable via a monolith or likewise spiritual journey as Yoda did on Dagobah (with the entire flight being part of the spiritual journey, not a real flight!).

At least we know the Force is not just limited to the GFFA... I mean, the Vong had it in their galaxy before the frequency shift cutting them off. And E.T. healed people on Earth via Forcebond.

 

If I remember right is the triple goddess concept not really a part of theose religions/cultures that are classed as shamanistic

 

Well they are very diverse and should not be generalised and there are lots of deities depending on what you call a god or other revered type of lifeform, personalised part of nature, etc.

But the triple goddess was one part. Maybe not the oldest, nor the most common, but one of many.

 

Which shamanistic culture/s are thinking of? Just want to know

 

To clarify, I think the difference between what you and I mean stems from the terms Shamanism vs. Paganism that often are thought to be synonymous while not quite but close.

https://wikidiff.com/paganism/shamanism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_deity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca

The Triple Goddess of Wicca is a rather modern concept, or redressing of a far older idea present in many religions, among them roman, greek and even christian religions, regardless of them being monotheistic, polytheistic or pantheistic. In the shamanistic traditions though, the triple goddess or three sides/aspects of nature, life or a deity are represented not as a major godly being but rather part of nature and life, a cycle. The melding of these cutlures with roman, greek and christian ideas changed both, with christianity adapting part of the concept in "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", and the naturer religions adapting it as the three cycles of the moon "growing, full, waning" or even of aging like "Maiden, Mother, Crone". Kinda a Yin & Yang concept that adds the third state, balance, as equal to the two others.

So as a basic concept like that it is present in all religions and even in nonreligious traditions. Naming a specific culture would be just one example of many, but the wikilinks should help you.

 

Very much depend upon what you mean with the concept, would I say and how low criteria you have

So, you are saying that you can't name one? Or am I missunderstanding things?

 

I could name them but I rather linked you to a full list of them.

 

. double post due to faulty connection

 

It would be funny if there were Rakata relaxing on the beaches of Lehon. Imagine Rakata wearing sunglasses and lying down on a towel.

 

Does the Rakata hologram saying, “It can be theorized that bio-seeding allowed the ecology to remain balanced. It could be expected that the same energy feeding the trees of Kashyyyk also accelerated the evolution of various species” imply that the Rakata machines that made Kashyyyk’s trees giant also created the Wookiee species?

 

Yub that much is implied.. well not created the species but transformed it significantly. Maybe it was an Ewok Colony once, eh?

 

Speaking of Rakata, was it ever confirmed that it was their skulls that Luke and Ben saw in Sinkhole Station in FOTJ’s Abyss?

Also related to that, I mentioned in the FOTJ thread that I was rereading some of that series, and it’s cool to look at the books that were written before the authors linked Abeloth and the Celestials to Mortis. In Abyss it’s implied that Abeloth is one of the mythical Destructors from Keshiri myth. And while not much is known about the Celestials at that point, based on their exploits and the parallels to Greek mythology, it’s clear that they were essentially the gods of the Star Wars EU. I’m curious to see where the writers would’ve gone on their own had they not tied the Celestials to Mortis. It was Denning who first introduced them in the Dark Nest trilogy, isn’t it?

 

Indeed. The New Essential Chronology mentions “Architects”, but was released after the first two Dark Nest novels. The 1st Essential Chronology mentions “architects” with a lowercase a.