ST Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke) in the ST

Rian understands the SW style better than most SW fans -- show don't tell, as much as possible.

We only need to learn what is necessary about Snoke that's related to the current story line. That likely has little to do with how he and the First Order met.

Listen to Rian, he knows much more about storytelling than most fans do.

 

I assume Snoke's back-story will be left to comics and/or novels. I'm fine with that.

 

"We couldn't think of anything interesting, so, just like the filmmakers on The Force Awakens, we're being lazy and playing it safe by copying the original trilogy." - Rian Johnson

We already knew this, though. He said a long time ago that he didn't really delve much into Snoke's character in the film. As long as the important questions are answered by the end of Episode IX, things should be fine.

 

Argument by personal attack (ad hominem). Used when people lack logic and facts to support their position.

 

And dismissing fans concerns by saying that Rian knows more about Star Wars than the fans is also logically fallacious; the "appeal to authority" fallacy. But on top of ad hom fallacy and appeal to authority fallacy being committed there's also the fallacy fallacy, dismissing an argument just because a logical fallacy was used. I'd say if Snoke is just a generic big bad than they are being lazy with the story telling, regardless of if someone used ad hominem to get that point across.

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At this point, I´m somewhat leaning towards Snoke being a powerful entity from the Unknown Regions. If he had spies to know what was going on in the galaxy or used other kind of methods, I think it can´t be said at this point, but I´m very interested in knowing how he got in contact with the First Order (or the Imperial Remnant), to the point of leading it in such an absolute way...

 

Me? lol

I've got plenty of logic and facts to support my stance on this subject. But you already knew that because we've discussed it before.

I don't agree with your stance on the subject, but I had respect for you for backing it up with decent reasoning. However, since you clearly get very upset when people disagree with you, I've lost all respect for you.

The next time you want to accuse me of nonsense, do it in a private message rather than in a forum post that you didn't even have the common decency to tag my name in.

 

The Last Jedi Exclusive: Rian Johnson Talks Snoke And Kylo Ren

 

I guess more info on Snoke's past will have to be found in future comics or novels.

 

OK after the Emperor and Vader died, another Powerful darksider came out of nowhere and took over The remains of the Empire.
Another Example of lazy filmmaking.

 

Snoke is so obviously Lando. The fact that Lando didn't appear in TFA (or so we thought), and none of the characters mentioned him (or so we thought), was very suspicious. So, no sign of Lando, but hey, there's this "new" character we never saw before, and oh, he somehow managed to get close to Han and Leia's kid... gee, I wonder who else could have gotten close to Han and Leia's kid... maybe LANDO?. And now we see that Snoke likes expensive things and wears flashy outfits, kind of like, you know, Lando. The only thing they could have done to make it more obvious would be to have given Snoke a mustache.

 

Lando did come across some Sith artifacts in a comic...

 

guys why is snoke goldmember?

 

The better question is why wouldn't Snoke be Goldmember?

 

I still think we may get a quick line on Snoke by Luke or himself to Kylo that gives an idea of just how old he may be.

 

Was watching some FFII videos and a Snoke POP Vinyl popped up, my wife said "Why's he dressed like Beyonce in her bathrobe?"

His look is growing on me. I saw a fan review of the BB-8 playset and I thought he looked pretty cool.

 

yes leia and luke both know things about snoke. that would be part of the story if what they know "serves the story."

 

We learned only as much as we needed for the story about Palpatine as well, all of which was of enormous impact on the story told in the Saga films. We didn't get things like how/why be because a Sith because that part of his history has nothing to do with the narrative.

When all is said and done, Snoke will have fleshed out in similar fashion.....

 

The problem with Johnson's comment is that there is inherent backstory in Palpatines title. Yes, he is "the Emperor." However, the Empire itself is well established as the ultimate government power in the galaxy. An Emperor of said Empire obviously rose to political prominence. He is the ultimate dark side user, etc. etc. In short, he didn't need a huge backstory because things were implicitly understood based on his position.

Snoke...not so much.

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Mike
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I'm not very concerned about Rian's quote because he did qualify it with the "except where it serves this story" part -- so I think we'll get some more information about Snoke.

But I agree that we need more than what Palpatine had in the OT. Like you said: Palpatine's rise to power and his place in the Empire is easy to infer because the audience can easily accept an increasingly dictatorial leader of the status quo scooping up more power while being countered by an internal rebellion. But I think we're going to need to know more about why Snoke has the authority that he does and what his motives are. (I kinda feel the same way about the First Order too).

 

Keeping Snoke a mystery can create a far more powerful and unlimited bad guy....his limits don't need to be shown until the last reel of the last film.

 

Perhaps... I think it's pretty much assumed Snoke will be defeated, and likely die, by the end of Episode IX. But what if he isn't, or doesn't? It's already been said Disney quietly has plans for another trilogy after this. Perhaps Snoke can continue on as the big baddie, and each movie we get more and more info about his backstory? Or maybe ,since we likely need a happy ending for this trilogy, Snoke is defeated and loses his power, but escapes. Part of the next trilogy can be the hunting down of Snoke, and his origins can come into context with that?

 

Let me see if your logic stands up. Palpatine was Emperor, hence, backstory. Snoke is Supreme Leader, hence, no backstory.

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False equivalence... If you want to criticise people's logic you'd better hope yours stands up as well then.

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I for one quite enjoy Rian's way of speaking. I think "the scary thing behind the thing" would look really cool on a shirt with Snoke!