Angel ep by ep; rewatch and reviews

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  1. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    SPIN THE BOTTLE

    The Good;
    All of it, easily one of the best episodes of season 4, obviously with a debt to Buffy's Tabula Rusa but with a delicious spin of it's own. Unlike 'The Shroud of Rahmon' the framing device of Lorne with an invisible audience is terrific, he even breaks the 4th wall. If there is a favourite moment I think it would be CC declaring Fred as 'all neck' and Fred giving the 'mother of all shrugs'.
    The Bad;
    Only thing I can find wrong is that the commentary is not as good as you'd hoped despite having Joss and Alexis. Again though wouldn't Liam notice his lack of heartbeat etc?
    Best line:
    Gunn; "What happened to you man?"
    Wes; "I had my throat cut and my friends abandoned me"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 5
    Fang Gang in bondage: poor Lorne gets taped
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 12
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: poor Lorne againx2 plus Gunn
    Cordy: 12
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Kills: Gunn says he's been killing vamps since he was 12 . He threatens to cut Lorne's head off although we actually know that wouldn't kill him. Another vamp for Connor who is starting to catch his old man up.
    Cordy: 6 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon
    Connor; 9 vamps and 2 demon
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: teenage everyone
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    46
    Recurring characters killed;
    8;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 6
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 4 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Wes' projecting stake and Fred's fear of aliens probing her helpless naked body. Liam is all for the sinful desires. Connor get's felt up by a hooker and CC promises to sleep with him if he kills Angel. CC is delighted with her bountiful adult breasts, Fred disappointed she seems not to have much. CC says 'Hello salty goodness' when she sees Liam which is exactly what she said about Angel when they first meet. CC in her towel. She thinks that danger makes her hot, she said the same about Xander and her in 'Dopplegangland'. CC thinks Angel is deviant because he didn't try anything with her.
    Captain Subtext;
    CC thinks Gunn and Wes wrestling is homo-erotic. CC wonders how Wes got the title 'head boy'? Note CC treats Fred EXACTLY as she treated season 1 Willow.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Liam is alarmingly racist (as indeed is Keith Topping in his book) both against Wesley as an Englishman and Gunn as a slave. Ironically he later comments that people are ganging up upon him because he's different and he accuses THEM of being hypocrites. CC comments that she know's who's president and wishes she didn't. Weird, I'd have always thought of her as a right wing girl. Gunn suggests that if something looks wrong it should die which is a lot different as to how he thought in 'That Old Gang of Mine'.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    Questions and observations;
    Fred is a cannabis smoker. Maybe it doesn't make you dumb after all? Liam thinks the cars outside are demons which is exactly what C17th noblewoman Buffy thought in Halloween. Interestingly Wes refers to the Watcher's academy being in Hampshire which means it may have survi
  2. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    APOCALYPSE NOWISH


    The Good;
    Hold on tight, we're going on a rollercoaster!
    The Bad;
    ?
    Best line:
    Lorne; "CLOSE THE DOOR!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; the gang royally get their collective ass kicked by the Beast
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12

    Cheap Angel; 5
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 12
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel, Wes and Lorne all knocked out
    Cordy: 12
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 6
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 7
    Groo; 1
    Kills:
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon
    Connor; 8 vamps and 2 demon
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 9
    Fred; 1

    Characters killed: I figure about 50 dead at the nightclub?
    96
    Recurring characters killed;
    8;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: 5 Wes for all intentions back in the fold
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat; Wes goes all John Woo with a pair of 45s and a pump action shotgun. Maybe he should call Buffy and borrow her rocket launcher?
    Wes; 6
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Actually no kinky dinky for Fred and Gunn since supersymmetry. Schoolgirl Lilah, RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! "Keep them on", bet that's the first time he's ever said that to her! Lilah as Fred wishes that one day she'll have hips. To judge by 'Spin the Bottle' I'd say she'd prefer bigger breasts. CC and Connor also get it on. A lot of people dislike this as they think it's tantamount to incest but frankly I'm ok with it as long as they're not blood relations (fine with a girl wanting a daddy figure as long as it's not actually her daddy). Remember Connor doesn't remember CC acting as his mother and to her she's the closest thing she'll ever get to Angel (just as Spike hangs out with Joyce and Dawn because they're the closest thing he can get to Buffy) When told that snakes emerged from a part of someone's body Lorne wonders if it was just some form of sex game? When Wes suggests 'pooling resources' Gunn tells him to 'Go pool himself'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Gunn shows an unusual interest in bathroom fittings for such a macho character.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Angel tortures Gavin but you figure not as much as Lilah's going to.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    Questions and observations;
    Really like the way it's Gunn that figures out the symbol although it looks a bit like the cross of St Patrick to me (the red diagnols on the Union Jack). Can anyone tell me at exactly what point CC goes evil, it's never clear to me? Gunn's fear of rats reoccurs, living in abandoned buildings for so long must have been very tough for him. Really this is the end of the road for Cangel. Angel asks Wes if he's 'in' much as Doyle asks Angel if he's 'game'. Goodbye to Gunn's hubcap axe.
    Marks out of 10; 9/10 some really good stuff here

  3. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    HABEAS CORPSES

    The Good;
    Angel and co play Saving Private Connor during the fall of WR&H
    The Bad;
    Angel seems very out of character with his jealousy for CC and Connor but I guess love makes you do the wacky?
    Best line:
    Angel ; "Now take your new boyfriend and get out!"
    just beating Gunn's "Thanks for the newsflash Captain Obvious!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The Beast slaughtering EVERYONE at WR&H!
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 5
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 12
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 12
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 4
    Groo; 1
    Kills: I figure everyone nails about 5 zombies each?
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 8 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed: about 200 at WR&H, evil sure but still
    250
    Recurring characters killed; byebye Gavin but he's evil so screw him
    8;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: 5
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Captain Subtext;
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought; Read a nice one where Lilah goes to drown her sorrows in a bar after breaking up with Wes and runs into Kate who is leaving LA that night. They get drunk together and end up hooking up
    Questions and observations;
    The shortest teaser ever, Angel basically storms off the roof lashing out at everything on the way down. Wes and Lilah break up and never get back together. Lilah actually shows some pity for Gavin describing him as 'Poor bastard'. Lorne and Gunn's idea that maybe Connor isn't linked to the beast and it's just the mystical hotspot behind Caritas is actually pretty sound, rare that anyone tries to 'Scully' Angel (well maybe Sheryl Crow?). Are the zombies actually a satire of corporate life? Angel says he has a photographic memory as we suspected. Why doesn't Lilah try to put a round in the Beast's eye? Love Lorne's little look at his drink when the AI appear back in the Hyperion foyer.
    Marks out of 10; 7/10

  4. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    LONG DAYS JOURNEY

    The Good;
    Gwen, hooray! Also like Lorne mocking Angel's brooding.
    The Bad;
    You can visibly see that CC is preggers. Why not stick Manny on the first plane to Outer Mongolia?
    Best line:
    Gwen; "Where were you when they taught stealth in superpower school?"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Gwen's attitude of 'get the hell out of dodge' is very atypical but frankly sensible.
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Angel can't resist telling CC that the item he gave up for her cost $30million.
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 12
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: CC and Angel get slipped a mickey (or does she?)
    Cordy: 13
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 4
    Groo; 1
    Kills:
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 8 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    250
    Recurring characters killed;
    8;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: 5
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Manny intends to spend his final hours in a strip club called the Pink Pony. Gwen is still the queen of PVC (Spandexia)and it has the desired effect of making CC jealous when Angel takes her on their road trip. CC refers to Gwen as 'Supertramp', maybe she should have 'Breakfast in America'?
    Captain Subtext;
    Gwen calls Fred 'cherry'. Lorne says evil demon's can't pull off wearing lam'e like his as it just looks 'camp'. Manny asks Gwen if she'd like him to buy her a lapdance and she doesn't seem too offended. Gwen and Gunn start bonding on sentry duty and she refers to him as Denzel again which is quite a compliment.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    Questions and observations;
    Unless Fred and Gunn filled them in Wes and Lorne have never met Gwen but they seem unphased by her arrival. Connor get the living daylights beaten out of him by the Beast. Love the fact that the Beast knocks politley before smashing it's way and trashing the place AND Connor. The manner in which it's suggested Angel/Connor is being controlled by the Beast is similar to The First and Spike on Buffy. This ep sadly dedicated to Glenn Quinn.
    Marks out of 10; 7/10

  5. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    AWAKENING

    The Good;
    Love Wes beating up the shamen's guard, he's really come a long way from the fop we first met in Buffy season 3. CC's little talk with Angel is excellent, manipulating him shamelessly.
    The Bad;
    It seems a bit silly all the hassle they go to in order to take Angel's soul away. Either give him some of the drug from 'Eternity' or invite Buffy down for a one night stand. Why not just destroy the wooden swords or cut the belts and bells?
    Best line:
    Angel; "Wood, why does did it have to be wood?"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Spike through Wes' hand anyone? Stabbing the Beast up through the chin also isn't nice but you'd do it if you had to.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Connor more than willing to kill his father.
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage: Angel tied to the table
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 13
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 4
    Groo; 1
    Kills:
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 8 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    250
    Recurring characters killed;
    8;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: Cordy back in
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: this ep is a Cangelers delight but alas it was never to be.
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Fred a bit bashful over shining the torch over the Shamen's body. CC refers to the belts and bells as an S&M bondage party, has she been to many? CC tells her breasts that she knew they'd get her in trouble one day. But in fairness they've done a great deal for her over the years.
    Captain Subtext;
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    Questions and observations;
    Gwen has skipped town and I don't blame her. Kolchak the Nightstalker referred to (the inspiration for the X-files).
    I'm afraid here we have the definitive end of Cangel. When Angel lost his soul in Suprise everything was going to hell and Buffy alone was all it took to give him the happy. In this it takes a number of factors, killing the Beast, bringing the sun back, Wes back in the fold, Connor losing his resentment AND sex with CC. What's more watch it with the subtitles on. As Angel, ahem, has his pleasure moment, he says 'Buffy'. Sorry CC he wasn't thinking of you. What exactly is Jasmine's plan? Why does she want to turn day into night?
    Marks out of 10; 8/10

  6. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SOULESS
    The Good;
    Love Connor sticking it to the tourist vamps. The rest of the ep is very Hannibal Lecter (you should only watch Manhunter, the rest are crap) and it's interesting how it emotionally affects the rest of the team.
    The Bad;
    The whole idea of Angelus being able to remember something whilst Angel can't is stupid (it's reminiscent of Buffy not being able to read his thoughts in Earshot). That said you wonder does he know the truth about Dawn?
    Best line:
    Angelus (on Connor's Oedipal dilemma) "There should be a play"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    An entire family wiped out
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage: When they bring back Angelus he's tied to the table. So why did they let him up?
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 13
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 4
    Groo; 1
    Kills: Connor kills at least 4 vamps. I know he's pretty much an unpopular character but he is heroic, fighting the good fight on the streets.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 12 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 12 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil: Angel big time
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed: the poor Sver family
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    8;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 11
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Wes and Fred kiss at last, the effective end of Frunn
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Angel refers to Buffy as a 'pistol'. He refers to his 'first nun' and the gypsy girl he got cursed for as a virgin. He thinks the sword in Angel's fantasy as phallic. He imagines Fred as a schoolgirl (as did Lilah) and thinks about bending her over the kitchen counter. Note when he remarks on 'different strokes' he moves his finger suggestively on the bar. He also comments on CC having a 'rack to write home about' which is certainly true. Angelus says he's sure that Angel like's CC on her knees and that Cordy looks good on everyone, is a screamer and a better ride than a Mustang. Angelus also claims he used to hear Fred and Gunn com-shuking but he might be lying. The rest of the gang find out about Connor and CC. CC offers herself to Angelus in return for his info. The translation of the Beast in ancient runes is 'big hard thing'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Angelus considers Angel 'candy-ass'.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    Questions and observations;
    When Angelus is teasing Wes he refers to Faith who is of course coming up. Angel refers to Oedipus which was also referenced in the Buffy ep 'The Puppet Show'. We see Angelus in Prussia in 1789 making his way to Austria. This places him just after Darla abandon's him to Holtz in the barn, they'd agreed to meet in Vienna.

    Marks out of 10; 8/10 but it only get's better from here in.



  7. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    CAVALRY
    The Good;
    Angelus is so evil and conniving you wonder if Holtz and co had a point? Altogether a great episode with so many wonderful scenes
    The Bad;
    ?
    Best line:
    Cordelia; (stabbing Lilah) "Why do you think I let him out you stupid bitch?"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Some nastily implied racism when Angelus goads Gunn (Liam of course was also pretty racist to Gunn and Wesley in 'Spin the Bottle'). The vamps killing the firemen is also nasty but worst of all the tragedy of the vamped little girl, you realise why Holtz killed his daughter.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Fred wants to continue her relationship with Gunn after she learns of Wes and Lilah. But he turns her down, obviously been getting lessons in quiet dignity from the Groo (Riley could have done with some).
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: CC by Angelus
    Cordy: 14
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 4
    Groo; 1
    Kills: 1 demon for Gunn
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 12 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil: CC and how!
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed; alas poor Lilah, she was evil but I always felt there was hope for her.
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC

    Angel Investigations shot: Angelus by Lilah (if she still had her pistol why not use that when Wes enters her hideaway?). CC takes an arrow
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 1
    Packing heat; Gunn with the flamethrower we saw in 'Dad'
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Interestingly it's Gunn who breaks up with Fred rather than the other way around
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Angelus threatens to rape Fred to death. He also tells an aghast Fred about Wes and Lilah. Angelus thinks Lilah wears a thong.
    Captain Subtext;
    Angelus thinks Wes is quite the dish 'if I swung that way'. Lilah comments that Lorne's suits make him look like Liberace. Lilah calls Fred 'honey' and asks if CC is trying to 'turn her on?'.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought; read an interesting one once where Angelus wipes AI out but then Dru get's resouled and forms her own heroic gang with Lilah, Kate, Gwen, Oz, Justine, Bethany, Ethan Rayne etc

    Questions and observations;
    Interestingly in this ep we're told a soul can be destroyed which I didn't think was possible. We learn that Angel always suspected that Gunn killed Sidel. The soul-stealer was buried by the Chumash who are the American Indian tribe also featured in 'Pangs'. Nice scene with Connor and Gunn bonding during the digging. Well, hands up who saw this twist coming? Liars! Shocking an all pretty damn brilliant. But you know what, it only get's better from now on! Nice scene at the end where CC and Lilah almost seem to bond a little. Lilah's 'he killed the...' speech appears to be part inspired by 'The Usual Suspects', could the Beast be in fact Keyser Soze? Or is that CC?
    Marks out of 10; 9/10

  8. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    SALVAGE
    The Good;
    Chant it with me boys and girls, FAITH-FAITH-FAITH-FAITH! My favourite episode of Angel is Orpheus, my favourite moment is at the end of 5X5 where Wes drops the knife in the alley but my favourite scene is where Wes has his conversation with the imaginary Lilah here, it's just stunning.
    The Bad;
    If you think there's anything wrong in this episode then I suggest you go to the doctor for some anti-crazy pills! Ok so the demon who wants Angelus to sign something for his spawn is woefully badly done.
    Best line:
    Faith; "Just like riding a biker" (oh she is SUCH a naughty girl!)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Connor; "I don't give a flying schluck!" (I had to rewind this to check this line). Awful watching Faith getting a terrible kicking from the Beast. But your heart just bleeds for Wesley having to decapitate Lilah's corpse, couldn't he have let Connor or Gunn do it?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: CC passes out in the lobby
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 4
    Groo; 1
    Kills: 2 vamps for Faith, 1 for Connor
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+3 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 13 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: Faith joins AI for a three episode arc, making this the biggest line-up ever (although of course CC is actually evil as indeed is Angel)
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC, Connor, Faith

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 1
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: CC and The Beast get all kissy? I don't know if they Com-shuked though, I'm not even sure if The Beast has the equipment to so I'll put him down as a possible
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor, 1 possible; The Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible Justine
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Faith actually tells Wes he looks good. Gunn and Connor also like Faith, she comments it's a shame when Gunn says 'I hold my own'. Faith tells Angelus to 'Give us a kiss' just as she did to Buffy in Graduation Day Pt1. Faith is also described as 'smokin hot'. Angelus says that he knew Faith would enjoy a threesome and suggests he, she and the Beast 'get it on'. Interestingly she says 'Sure!'. Connor has a weakness for Slayers just like his old man. Angelus seems disappointed that he's facing Faith and not Buffy.
    Captain Subtext;
    Personally I think Faith-in-prison would be a good series in itself.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Faith being released from prison to help out either the Sunnydale scoobies or Angel Investigations is such a popular theme in fanfic it borders on the cliche.

    Questions and observations;
    Everyone else notice that the knife the assasin tries to use to kill Faith is the same as those used by The Bringers in Buffy? Can anyone else explain to me what Jasmine's plan is and how Angelus and The Beast fit into it? Can't Angelus read CC's scent at the warehouse or has she disguised it? Lilah talks of redemption, even after death is it too late for her? Of course Faith never met the real Angelus
  9. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    RELEASE
    The Good;
    The Wes and Faith hurt/comfort scenes are excellent. The hunting of Angelus is magnificent.
    The Bad;
    Wes' shotgun seems to contain an inordinate amount of shells?
    Best line:
    Lorne "Mojo?"
    Fred "Nojo"
    also like;
    Vamp (as the daylight returns); "What the f...?"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Hard to watch Faith all banged up and self harming in Wes' shower, you'd think Eliza naked in a shower would normally be cause for celebration but not this time. A magic shop owner badly beaten but at least alive, if this was Sunnydale he'd be a goner.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 13
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Poor old Lorne and Connor knocked out, the latter assuming the classic Jesus pose.
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Lorne; 5
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Kills; one vamp for Wes
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+4 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 13 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC, Connor, Faith

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 1
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Packing heat; Wes breaks out his shotgun
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Fred wants Gunn back but he turns her down. Connor is at least part demon meaning 4 out of CC's 5 lovers have been some form of supernatural creatures.
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Faith actually has the most unerotic shower scene for a beautiful woman in the history of TV. Apparently CC and Angelus both 'like to watch'. The demon declares he thought 'she was 18'. Faith refers to being 'spanked'. Angelus says 'That hurt. I liked it'. Wes refers to Sylvia Plath who wrote about the 'Electra complex' referring to Agamenon's relationship with his daughter in Greek mythology but also a term for girls' quest for a father figure throughout their lives (Buffy/Giles, Faith/Giles, Faith/The Mayor and finally here's Faith/Wes as the Watcher's Council always intended).
    Faith; "Screw you!"
    Angelus; "Maybe after! I like my girls to lie still"
    CC knocked up AGAIN! 3rd time in 5 years. Does she ever meet a demon she doesn't get impregnated by? If that's your thing (and you're over 18!) check here; http://www.taboostudios.com/taboomain.html

    Captain Subtext;
    Angelus is told he's going to be the master's 'bitch' like the Beast. And so he is. "Master". The junkie in the vamp brothel thinks Faith is pretty and asks if she wants to make out? She seems tempted (maybe missing the communal soapings in the prison showers?). Wes says that the girl probably enjoyed Faith hitting her and says that Faith is still looking for some S&M punishment. Angelus refers to Wes as a 'ponce'.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Faith and Wes torture their way through LA, he's so hardcore even she's outraged.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;
    So what if Angelus had really turned Faith? A lot written on this idea but a sequal to them all has Faith's Slayer nature taking over and getting them both resouled.

    Questions and observa
  10. Jedi Merkurian Episode VII Thread-Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    Well, given that she says someone tried to knife her while she was in prison, it's not a big leap to suggest the Bringers at work. Ingenious plan by the writers to get Faith back to Sunnydale though [face_coffee]
    No, and that's why this was my least favorite season of the series. It. Was. All. Over. The. Map. While some of the individual episodes were pretty good, as a story arc, it was an utter mess.
  11. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4

    Personally I think season 4 id my favourite if only because this is the definitive Angel Investigations line up (Angel, Wes, Fred, Gunn, Lorne) and because we had Faith and Willow. Plus Wes' relationship with Lilah

    ORPHEUS
    The Good;
    Fabulous, the wonderful flashbacks and Faith and Willow working together with AI, just amazing!
    The Bad;
    All too wonderful for anything like that. A bit stupid that they put Ally's name in the opening titles, spoils the suprise of her appearance somewhat.
    Best line;
    Faith; "Dust in the wind. Candle in the wind. There'll be a general wind theme"
    plus
    CC; "Oh sh...!"
    and flapper "Pound snow you mook!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    2 headed foetal pigs? Yuck!
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage: Angel chained up at the end
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Faith in a coma, again! Gunn knocked out by Connor
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 5
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+4 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 13 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC, Connor, Faith

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 1
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly The Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah
    Gunn; 1 Fred
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    CC accuses Connor of liking the way Faith 'cracked her whip' and thinks he wants to be in her 'leather clad lap'. Wes tells Willow about having a woman chained in a closet, she seems more intrigued than shocked. Angelus refers to keeping Faith's thighs warm. CC and Connor's relationship is described as 'icky'. Faith says of Connor 'Break me off a switch, there's going to be a whipping!". Angelus refers to 'eating' his mama!!!!
    Captain Subtext;
    Willow describes Connor as handsome and androgynous, hmmmm? Plenty of Fred/Willow subtext, even Wes gives a little look when Willow strokes Fred's chin, especially when Willow asks 'What's Fred's story?' and speaks of 'The call of Fred'. Fred wants to discuss Baachanals with Willow. However she later tells Fred 'I'm seeing someone' by which she means Kennedy back in Sunnydale. Faith calls Angelus 'princess'.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Not much fic on this ep itself but quite a lot on Willow and Faith's drive back to Sunnydale which must have been a pretty awkward trip. They normally go along the lines of Faith apologising for what she's done followed by Willow forgiving her and explaining her own dark deeds. Then they stop at a motel and have a night of lesbian sex. After all, Willow says that she 'got a Slayer' out of helping Angel Investigations.

    Missing scenes;
    According to the commentary we have an extra scene where Faith and Angelus see Angel discovering the Hyperion? Why not include that on special edition DVDs?

    Questions and observations;
    Willow makes her 3rd appearance on Angel. This is actually quite momentous as it means she's actually the 2nd m
  12. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    PLAYERS

    The Good;
    I like this ep, nice to see that Gunn isn't just 'The Muscle', he's suave as well as tough. The best Gunn-centric ep and you could see J. August as James Bond. Love Gunn's little look when Wes goes 'Well the last time this happened..."
    The Bad;
    Quite humdrum in places, actually drags a bit
    Best line;
    Gunn describes the last few months of AI as a 'Turgid supernatural soap-opera'.
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; the little girl isn't in danger, Gwen has screwed Gunn over
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 16
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 5
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 12 demons+4 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 13 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 10
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, CC, Connor,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 1
    Wes; 7
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Packing heat; Wes with his shotgun again
    Wes; 9
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Gunn and Gwen, Gunn presumably not only having sex with her but taking her virginity if he's the first person ever able to touch her?
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Lorne refers to a female friend Wanda as a 'peach'. Gwen in her customary tight PVC outfits. Wes explains his tryst with Lilah to Fred, he was lost and cut off from those he loved as indeed was she.
    Captain Subtext;
    Gwen calls Fred a babe and honey, obvious tension between the 2.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Plenty of demon pregnancy fanfics, a subsection of fanfiction called GOT-fic, beautiful women being ravished and impregnated or sometimes consumed ('Vore') by monsters, aliens, mutated plants etc (think Princess Leia and Jabba the Hutt, The Evil Dead or Alien vs Predator; Requiem). Also of course Willow having sex with snake demon in the comics. Plenty of fic out there where Gwen joins AI or if the original gang is destroyed helping the new champion form their team or she (and the Groo) show up to save everyone from everything

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Only a few weeks after becoming a dad Angel is now faced with becoming a grandfather! 'Dramarama' is referred to, an old supernatural British kids TV series which Joss Whedon may have seen growing up in the UK. 'Clash of the Titans' also referred to. Angel and Wes refer to 'The last time' CC got supernaturally knocked up both in Expecting and Epiphany. 8 million people in LA, didn't think it was that big. Not only did Angelus not kill Lilah he never actually killed anyone but a vamp? Andy Hallet in the titles, hooray! The last time we'll see Gwen whom was obviously supposed to be a possible regular but they went another way. A pity but at least we see her in the comics. For my money after this ep I figure she goes to see her parents and catches up on a lifetime's worth of hugs. Gunn's love of suits foretells season 5. We
  13. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    star 4
    INSIDE OUT

    The Good;
    If nothing else the evil CC versus Darla is so powerful it would get this ep an 8 by itself. But AI versus Skip is also great.
    The Bad;
    The spell seems to require extremely little blood, if they'd just cut her arm they could probably have had enough.
    Best line;
    Skip; "Well that ain't right!" (as Wes puts a bullet through his brain)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The sacrifices' pleading is just HORRIBLE, she reminds you of Dawn held hostage by Glory ("I just want to go home") but there's no Buffy coming to save her (although in fairness the PTBs do try their best). Can't watch them killing her, this poor girl.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; Connor doesn't save the sacrifice. For once Wes' guns actually work.
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel, Wes, Fred and Lorne all knocked out
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 17
    Wes: 6
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 1
    Kills; 1 vamp for Connor, one demon for Wes
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 41 vamps, 57 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 13 demons+4 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 14 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: possessed Angel and Connor
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: Connor and CC out
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot: Wes catches a ricochet from his own pistol
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 2

    Packing heat; Wes uses his 45's again, he must be a hell of shot to stick one right in Skip's brain.
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Fred refers to 'whipping' and 'spanked'. Naked Gina Torres plus naked CC doing her Lizzie Borden impression (well Manny wanted to die having a lapdance).
    Captain Subtext;
    Note Fred's little 'Nice suit' comment when Gunn comes back to the hotel, it IS a nice suit but there's obviously some jealousy there
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Poor Connor, boy he's put through the wringer in this one. Connor doesn't want to believe it's Angel, Skip refers to Buffy. So, is the vision that appears to Connor the real Darla brought from the afterlife by the PTBs or is it the First Evil who doesn't want Jasmine mucking up it's plans? Either suggestion is perfectly valid. So how much has AI been manipulated all these years? Shades of classic Dr Who. Angel's attempt to kill CC is reminiscent of Buffy killing him in Becoming pt2

    Marks out of 10; 8/10

  14. Jedi Merkurian Episode VII Thread-Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    I too would kneel in worship of Gina Torres' naked body [face_mischief] Perhaps a new category for discussion (like Fang Gang KO's/Kinky Dinky) would be "Cross-Whedonization" of the actors?
  15. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    That's a great idea, Gina in Firefly and Angel. Jonathon Woodward who plays Knox turns up in Buffy, Firefly and Angel. Did either ever turn up in Dollhouse? (haven't seen season 2 yet)
  16. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    SHINY HAPPY PEOPLE
    The Good;
    Gina Torres is great. Certainly this is an ep that turns things on it's head!
    The Bad;
    Just because Jasmine's true face is ugly is that any reason to presuppose she's actually evil? I mean Lorne is pretty unconventional looking but he's a good guy?
    Best line;
    Fred; "There's been too much dismembering going on in that basement recently!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Jasmine's true appearance and severed head bowling.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 17
    Wes: 6
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 1
    Kills; 3 vamps and 1 demon for Angel, 1 vamp and 1 demon for Wes, 2 vamps for Connor
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 44 vamps, 58 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamp+ 1 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil: not so much evil as happily enslaved
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: possessed Lorne, Gunn, Fred and Wes
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations: CC out of it until season 5, Connor back in
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, Connor

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes;2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Captain Subtext;
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Like the way you can spot CC's Sunnydale High cheerleader trophy in her room. Note that Angel now wears a lighter coloured shirt now he's no longer haunted all the time. The bowling scene is reminiscent of Fright Night pt2 (which features Buffy alumni Brian Thompson).
    Well, Angel throws us another ball from leftfield, not so great in itself but speaks of interesting things to come.
    Marks out of 10; 6/10

  17. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    THE MAGIC BULLET

    The Good;
    All of open mic night is classic but Connor and Angel singing 'Oh Jasmine' to the tune of Mandy is so funny it makes me want to lie on the floor kicking my legs in the air with laughter! Whatever they paid to use the Beach Boys it's well worth it.
    The Bad;
    So Fred just happens to fall down a slope and into a demon's lair who gives her the idea for defeating Jasmine? I guess we could just put this down to the PTBs. Personally I find the demon scenes boring and gross. Why doesn't Fred try to blow Jasmine's head off? The mind control books seem to burn very fast.
    Best line;
    Angel; "Someone has to go and get Connor"
    Wes; "I'll do it. After all I've kidnapped him before"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Finger food and religious zealots on fire!
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Fred at the shop, possibly Gunn and Wes
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 17
    Wes: 6
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 2
    Kills; 1 demon for Fred
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 44 vamps, 58 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang: possessed Lorne, Gunn, Fred and Wes
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations;
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, Connor

    Angel Investigations shot: yep, Angel by Fred
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Fred a dab hand with her .357 Magnum she takes from the shop
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Fred; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    The couple who spot Fred at the motel appear to be an amazingly voluptuous hooker and her trick, even Jasmine can't stop the world's oldest profession.
    Fred kisses Angel. Angel kisses a sleeping CC (aaaawwwwww!).
    Captain Subtext;
    Lorne says that Jasmine 'Walked off the street and came into my ass' then hurriedly explains that's where his heart is.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Actually Jasmine is correct, Lee Harvey Oswald did act alone when he killed Kennedy. Holtz used to tie Connor to a tree and then Connor would have to free himself and track Holtz down. Talk about tough love!
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Not much, paradise on earth actually pretty boring

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Lovely idea that the woman Gunn and Wes mistake for Fred got her first ever TV job on Angel, I would have pegged her for AA's stand in. The bookseller rather reminds of the character of Denver from season 2 and Hank Azaria. Lorne refers to himself as Judas just as Lilah said Wes was. Love Lorne's baseball bat. Does CC get paid just to come in to work and lie down and go to sleep? When Jasmine's not at the hotel her power over AI seems to fade a little. You wonder if Angel got his CC's blood idea from Buffy and Dawn in 'The Gift'? When CC grabs Angel's hand is Fred telling him the truth about coma patients involuntary movements or just telling him what she need's him to hear? It's a small line in a big show but Angel seems to finally have forgive
  18. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SACRIFICE
    The Good;
    The Critter in the sewers rather like Golum crossed with a giant tarantula and is truly scary. Gotta say I'm getting a little tired of the Jasmine storyline and I'll be glad when it's over
    The Bad;
    Jasmine's real face looks obviously rubber although the genuine maggots distract you from that. Again seems a huge coincidence that Angel and co fall into the sewers and discover just what they need. Once again the PTBs at work? I actually think that once they go down the sewers the whole ep withers. But the ending picks it up again mightily. Despite Gunn's comment we see exactly 2 police cars and a spotlight with some helicopter sound effects.
    Best line;
    Gunn; "I ain't never seen so many (police) cruisers"
    Wes; "Well technically we're the only criminals left"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The vamp in the web, especially when it gets it tongue ripped out!
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; when Connor and his troops arrive Gunn remarks 'Time for the big fight scene!' echoing what the audience is thinking. Lorne's 'don't judge by appearances' scene cruelly shot down by the refugees.
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 6
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 4
    Fred; 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Wes by the sewer creature
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 17
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 2
    Kills; one demon for Angel
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 44 vamps, 59 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations;5
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot: threatened with guns by Jasmine's soldiers but no
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Fred; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Whereas the previous people Jasmine consumed were ordinary looking (and the director even commented on it) now it seems to be only pretty young things in their skimpy undies that Jasmine devours.
    Captain Subtext;
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    The Catholic Church is now dedicated to Jasmine and the governer (Schwarzeneger yet?) has handed over his administration to her.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    You almost get the feeling that this was getting towards to the end of the season and the budget was running out so they said 'Hey let's put the entire ep in those old tunnel sets, that'll save us enough money for some Lord of the Rings CGI'. Still some nice stuff with the bug and a great climatic cliffhanger.
    Lorne mentions that he heard Belieze was nice which is where Riley has been killing demons in seasons 5/6 of Buffy.
    Quite honestly do the words 'and the National Guard' ever signify anything good? When the National Guard turn up it's normally a signal that things really can't get much worse. I suppose if you were under fire in Vietnam and some National Guard troops came to help you then it would be a good thing?
    I take it it's Connor's blood on
  19. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4


    PEACE OUT
    The Good;
    It's bad taste but love the 'God is nowhere, Jasmine is the way' sign outside the church. Also love Jasmine picking up the car and love Connor killing her. Angel's quest is also good although the lack of budget shows. It's a small moment but I adore the scene where the blonde reporter is awestruck that Jasmine knows her name, just the little look of exasperation Gina Torres gives is priceless. Plus HERE's LILAH!
    The Bad;
    Note that when the Guardsmen are clustered around the captive AI the only one without his face covered is the one who Jasmine later speaks through (scene shot out of order?). Angel aside the rest of AI just seem to spend all their time locked in the cellar and don't contribute much. If CC is so precious to Jasmine why is she guarded by exactly 2 cops with pistols and not ringed with troops and tanks? How come the guy Connor tortures gives up his info, surely Jasmine's followers are prepared to die for her? (or has her power faded as she prepares herself for her broadcast?). Note that in the bridge scene the LA sky keeps getting darker and then lighter again between shots.
    Best line;
    Jasmine (to Angel); "You're not human"
    Angel; "Working on it" (indeed he is!)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Connor kills his 'daughter'. Do we really wonder why he's so screwed up?
    Apocalypses: 5 not the end of the world by any means
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 12
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage: Lorne, Wes, Gunn and Fred in plasticuffs
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 17
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 2
    Kills; one demon for Angel, one demon/human(?) for Connor
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 44 vamps, 59 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed: according to Angel thousands have died due to Jasmine's actions
    2255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations;5
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Fred; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    The way Jasmine eats people is rather reminiscent of vore fetishism (beautiful women enjoying being swallowed whole by giant snakes, carnivarous plants etc). PM me if you want the link.
    Captain Subtext;
    Connor teases the rest of AI because they're now alone, obvious resentment from when they left him alone.
    Know the face, different character; 4
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Angel tortures his way to what he wants without a moments hesitation.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    The blonde reporter in the hotel foyer reminded me at first of Reese Witherspoon and then of Jenny McCarthy but it's neither. The dark haired reporter with the glasses also looks very familar from somewhere. How exactly does Angel manage to materilize exactly back in the hotel foyer? Is the orb programmed to home in on Jasmine? Surely if Angel appeared to everyone on TV worldwide he should be hugely famous?
  20. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    HOME
    The Good;
    Love the way that when Lilah moves at first she seems awkward, as though she's getting used to using her body again.There is just something endlessly, savagely beautiful about a black panther. Love Fred and Lorne dancing. Great fight between Connor and Angel and lovely ending.
    The Bad;
    Fred's submachinegun is obviously fake, she totes it around like it weighs nothing because of course it's actually just a hollow shell. You can see that the cops beseiging Connor in the sports store aren't LAPD, in fact you can see the word 'Boston' written on the side of their vehicles. Wes and Lilah never get the chance to say goodbye?
    Best line;
    Lilah; (of Wes trying and failing to burn her contract) "But it means something that you tried" (how BEAUTIFULLY does Stephanie deliver this line?)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Connor pummeling the cop into unconsciousness is nasty although given what Connor's going to do next maybe he should think himself lucky he just got a few bumps. The terrified hostages at the sports shop are hard to watch as is Angel putting the knife in Connor and even more viciously yanking it out again.
    Lilah is in hell and despite all of Wes' efforts she's going to remain there. So sad, she had her chance at redemption and she blew it.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Despite being nochalant about all that WR&H have offered him Angel is hugely excited about his big TV
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 13
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: no but Connor beats the suicidal cop unconscious
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 17
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 2
    Kills; unless someone can correct me the only ep of Angel ever when not only does no one die but no one even kills anyone/anything?
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 44 vamps, 59 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 8 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    2255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations;5
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 12
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Fred with her submachinegun. WR&H seem to have invested in a lot heavier weapons for their new security force, maybe to stop something like The Beast ever happening again?
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 3
    Gunn; 2
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    How gorgeous is Gunn's guide, Lacey? Knox tells Fred that WR&H have a dungeon. For prisoners or for S&M shenanigans? Lilah wants Angel to strip in front of her.
    Captain Subtext;
    It's a small moment but when Lilah refers to 'My Wesley' it just speaks volumes. Nice to know that when the chips are down the way to prove yourself to the girl you love is to cut her head off!
    Know the face, different character; 5 Jonathon Woodward who plays Knox here was Holden Webster in the Buffy ep 'Conversations with Dead People'.
    Parking garages;
    6,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes; If this ep was 9/10 minutes over why can't we get Special Edition Angel DVDs with such footage restored
  21. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Oh my god, here we go, finished Buffy and now starting the last ever Buffyverse boxset! We are witnessing the passing of an era, 22 eps to go and that's it. Still that is the equivalent of 7 full length feature films
    CONVICTION
    The Good;
    Angel vs the ops team and Charley Gunn/Harmony coming to the rescue. Plus Spanky! Also love the ritual sacrifice gag and Lorne's vetting of the staff (what would you sing?).
    The Bad;
    Disagree with Joss, evil people never believe they're evil, they always believe they're the justified victims.
    Best line;
    Goon; (after Angel blows Hauser's head off) "What about mercy?"
    Angel; "He got the last of it"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Nasty disease pictures and a vile villain.
    Apocalypses: bad for LA but not the rest of the world 5
    Angel Cliches
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; despite his cynicism towards WR&H and characteristic dourness Angel can't help squealing with joy at the sight of his collection of classic muscle cars (although his yellow charger looks horrible!). On the minus side note that Hauser note only packs a different weapon to the rest of his team but is the only one unmasked for much of the time to distinguish him from the others, such a Hollywood cliche.
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 13
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: not on screen but Angel get's knocked out by Caleb whilst visiting Buffy in Sunnydale
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 18
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 2
    Kills; 1 vamp and at least 2 humans for Angel.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 59 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 10 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    2255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot: yep, Angel by Hauser's men
    Angel: 13
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Wes' backup plan for the bad guy not getting acquitted is his .45 automatic. How did he get that into the courtroom? Angel kills Hauser using his own shotgun.
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 2
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    The wonderfully named Spanky who has his own fetish website and lots of S&M gear to prove it. One popular fan theory is that this is the guy Faith used to dress up as a naughty schoolgirl for and let him punish her? He certainly has a bullwhip. When Angel asks if the gang heard about last night Gunn replies "You got lucky?". Harmony does a sexy little shimmy when she basks in the sunlight. Shirtless Gunn. Eve asks Angel what he'd like to have 'passing through her lips' (wait until Life of the Party and you'll find out!)
    Captain Subtext;
    Spanky doesn't spank men although he's fine with other people liking to (love the characterisation here, he's evil but he's not a bigot, spanking men just isn't his thing). Angel interestingly comments that he has NO problem spanking men. Hmmm? Hauser calls him a fairy.
    As Angel walks out of the school we see a series of kids posters above his head proclaiming "Respect, learn, know, show"
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages; where Angel meets Hauser
    7,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, D
  22. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    JUST REWARDS
    The Good;
    I know it's sick but always laugh out loud at Spike looking at 'bucket-o-lawyer' and telling Gunn and Wes "Your man Novak, he's been, how would you put it? Downsized!". Such an unpleasant storyline yet really it's quite immaterial as this ep really is about Spike and Angel rather than some necromancer.
    The Bad;
    You can see the dark haired girl in the corpse showroom move slightly when she's standing behind Spike.
    Best line;
    Spike (looking around Angel's plush digs)"If a certain Slayer could see you now!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Harmony telling Spike he can't be mean to her anymore because they're no longer dating. Oh that girl! Plus 'bucket-o-lawyer' (three buckets actually).
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 14, yep, bit bulkier but still looks good
    Cheap Angel; 6
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel by the Hainsley
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 2
    Kills; 2 humans and a demon for Angel
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 60 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    2255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Spike not really in the gang yet
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 13
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 8
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 2
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Harmony is revolted by the thought of Spuffy "Slayer loving freak!". Fred thinks Spike is hot. The demon states that he considered other sorts of human bodies to inhabit but eventually he went with pretty as everybody does (anyone else think he sounds like Clem?). Spike suggests the villain is into necrophillia. Spike says he'd like to 'have a go' at Fred and that she looks like a 'goer'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Spike refers to Angel as poncey and beefcake. Lorne says he sees Depp and Bloom for the Angel and Spike roles but comments he sees them a lot. His remark 'I could sell that movie in a heartbeat' may be a hint at an Angel movie. Angel is jealous that Spike hooked up with his sexy, petite blonde ex. Spike points out that Angel now has HIS sexy petite blonde ex working as his secretary. Also note that when the Groxlar beast attacks Spike goes to help Angel.
    Spike refers to himself as Angel's 'date' and says that forehead boy has a 'wide spotty ass'. How would he know? Later on in the season Spike refers to the intimate moment Spike and Angel share together much to the delight of Spanglers everywhere. BUT the moment in question could very well be the scene here where Spike is possessing Hainsly who has his fingers lodged inside Angel?
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages; where Spike meets Angel
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;


    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Gunn smokes cigars? We've never seen him do it before and do we ever see him do it again? Note in the teaser you can just see Harmony's hand appear around the doorframe just before we cut to Sun
  23. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    UNLEASHED
    The Good;
    Especially love the gag of Nina asking Angel if he's Frankenstein and Angel self-consciously rubbing his forehead, Spike's taunting must be getting to him. Nice final scene with Angel making sure to anchor himself to the world once more by hanging out with his friends. The Hyperion has also not been forgotten and a sly dig at Scientology.
    The Bad;
    A little trite that they give the cryptozoologist to the cult to eat but then abolish the club?
    Best line;
    Nina; "Angel, he saves a lot of girls?"
    Fred; "Girls, guys, puppies, he's pretty much an equal opportunity saver" (presumably Fred has been told of Angel's Orpheus flashback)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Nasty scenes with Nina about to be eaten alive
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB get's his shirt off; 14,
    Cheap Angel; 7 Lorne remarks that hell has frozen over when Angel says their food is on him
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: Fred by the kidnappers
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 3
    Kills; Angel kills one werewolf.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 60 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed:
    2255
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Spike noticeably absent from the gang at the beginning.
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot: Angel by the security guards
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Wes with a pistol and unusually Gunn with a shotgun
    Wes; 9
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Nina quite reasonably suspects Angel to be a psycho rapist. Well, not lately. Nina naked and chained (anyone else think she looks a little like Sharon Stone?). A fellow student calls and says he missed Nina in the life drawing class which implies she does nude modelling (she certainly has the figure for it).
    Captain Subtext;
    Wes not so subtly jealous of Knox whom Fred refers to as being 'Under me' and 'On top of'. The comparison of Angel to the werewolf is clear, he cut himself off from humanity to avoid temptation but ended up losing all value for people and lost his human side anyway, just as Angel might have if Doyle hadn't come along.
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Angel once again tortures ruthlessly
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16. It would have been nice if Caine the bounty hunter had shown up but as the actor had also played Sajhan maybe that was impractical.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Plenty of fic where Oz shows up in LA to help Nina out with what he's learned, if ever there was an ep for him to re-occur on Angel this was it.

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Lorne's reading not too good lately. Here's a good game for you, match the car to the AI member in the opening scene. The guys refer to being at WR&H for a month. Does Angel detect the werewolf by his scent? He's met one before, Oz in Phases. Spike still lies a lot. Different werewolf makeup than what we see in Buffy and thank god, much mo
  24. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    HELLBOUND

    The Good;
    Great villain, some great Spike stuff and an all round great premise
    The Bad;
    ?
    Best line;
    Angel (to frozen in time Pavayne) "Don't worry I had them give you a window"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Gory as hell, how did this not get an 18 rating?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 15, Naked Spike.
    Cheap Angel; 7
    Subverting the cliche; Gunn and Wes always assumed Spike was going to hell
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 6
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 3
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 60 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1

    Characters killed: poor Claire
    2256
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, .
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 9
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 5; Buffy, Darla and The Transcending Furies
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Gunn likes Eve's lovely friend, Claire the mystic. Too bad she doesn't last long. Spike spies voyeuristically on Fred in the shower.
    Captain Subtext;
    Apparently Spike materialises beside Gunn in the toilet and makes remarks about his penis. What sort of remarks? Claire suggests that Fred and she hold hands if Fred is lonely. Pavayne describes Spike as a 'Little Nancy still crying for his mother', well he's got the last bit right as 'Lies My Parents Told Me Proved'.
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    WR&H show some REAL inefinite detention
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Of course the term Reaper is another supernatural series and he too sends souls to hell. Mercedes McNab guest-starred and at one point the devil goes 'Ooohhh Buffy' when handing Sam a stake to recapture an evil soul who thinks she's a vampire (because there are no vampires in the Reaperverse). Spike refers to the King's English as he's seen 2 Queens in his time (Victoria and Elizabeth 2nd) and 4 kings (Edward 7th, George 5th, Edward 8th, George 6th). Spike calls Angel 'Liam', he knows his backstory. Angel likes Spike's poems, did he continue to write AFTER he became a vampire? Spike suspects that it may be the First Evil tormenting him which seems logical. Spike also says he's been a ghost for months which gives us some timeframe. Love to have seen Lee or some of the other casualties from WR&H over the years as Reaper's puppets. In many ways I think they try to cast Fred as the team glamourpuss but she doesn't really cut the mustard in that regard, Amy Acker a beautiful woman but just doesn't compare to CC, Buffy, Faith etc. Very Christian idea of hell. Eve is actually quite heroic here. Very little Lorne, he's really sidelined this season even if he's now a regular. The fate of Pavayne is very reminiscent of the fate of the 'Family of Blood' in the Dr Who ep of the same name (possibly the best ep ever?), both it and Torchwood drawing a LOT from Buffy and Angel (Angel sunk to the bottom of
  25. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    LIFE OF THE PARTY
    The Good;
    Great acting from Andy Hallet, really showing some range here. Love the characterisation of Sebassis, he's like a demonic Noel Coward. "Yes, yes, sycophants writhe before me, you disgust me!"
    The Bad;
    Why do Knox and co keep referring to last years party? I thought the Beast killed everyone except Lilah? Were they brought in from WR&H branches in other cities? Obviously this ep owes a lot to the Buffy ep Something Blue with the Lorne storyline thrown in. The monster Lorne just looks stupid, reminds me of Dr Jekyll from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
    Best line;
    Harmony; (of Angel's leadership)"Good luck! Morale here stinks. Everyone thinks you suck!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The Pee-Pee demon is SUCH a yucky concept. Equally Gunn staking his territory is eugghh! Personally I always found lack of sleep the worst torture imagineable.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 17, naked Angelx2
    Cheap Angel; 7
    Subverting the cliche;
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: Lorne for about a month
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 7
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 3
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 60 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang; Lorne's id monster
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2256
    Recurring characters killed;
    9;
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, .
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 9
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Eve and Angel, wonder what Lindsey made of THAT! Got his job and his girl!
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Voyeur Eve spies on naked Angel in the shower. She wonder if Angel needs some 'hands on' gentlemen's time. Harmony dancing! MMMMMMmmmm! Mercedes sure can cut a rug! Spike refers to Harmony as Angel's chippy just as CC did with the Furies. Angel considers Eve's quite lovely dress to be 'banging it out to the cheap seats'. Eve and Angel get it on big time, even with Lorne and Spike still IN THE ROOM! Eve has had sex under the 'great roofie spirit' before (maybe she ran into RJ's brother or dad?)
    Captain Subtext;
    Eve comments that Angel takes a long shower 'for a guy'. Sebassis strokes the PP demon affectionately. Lorne talks about jacuzzi strategy sessions. Fred and Wes start coming together. Gunn stakes his territory on Angel's chair, does this mean he wants to replace him?
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Not a lot, Eve/Angel actually less popular a pairing than even Connor/Cordy

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Lorne now loves Harmony and vice versa. He refers to Angel as Top Cat. Note Spike is now included in the AI meetings. Harmony now plays the CC role of saying what's true but what no one wants to say. Angel is a hockey fan as is DB. Who's raggedy Anne? They certainly do celebrate Halloween in England although not to the same degree as in America (in fact it's more celebrated in Am
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