Angel ep by ep; rewatch and reviews

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  1. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    THE CAUTIONARY TALE OF NUMERO CINCO
    The Good;
    Love the return of the brothers and love the idea of El Diablo Robotico, we MUST see that in the Angel comics some time. Love Angel's cadiallac and the ref to Holland Manners.
    The Bad;
    Angel seems very rough with No5 at his apartment, he could have killed him! Don't you think Angel's rather full of himself about being the hero.
    Best line;
    Angel; "Wes, did you ever hear about the devil building a robot?"
    Wes; "Ah, el diablo robotico!"
    Angel; "No one ever tells me anything"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Hearts cut from bodies
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 17,
    Cheap Angel; 7
    Subverting the cliche; Angel's heart no good because it's 'dried up beef jerky'. No5 thinks Angel wants to drag him into the quest but actually just wants to give him some mail. After Angel's stirring speech No5 just jumps on the bus
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 5
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 7
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 7
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 3
    Kills; Angel kills the demon with a little help from his friends (or should that be amigos?)
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 61 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 humans
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: 4+No5 victims, the security guards have to be the redshirts of the Buffyverse
    2261
    Recurring characters killed; No5
    10
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Spike however is now coming along for the ride on investigations.
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Wes with his shotgun (nice gag about the weapons check)
    Wes; 10
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 2

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike remarks he can't 'diddle his willy'. He again refers to Harmony as 'his old tumble' and is jealous that she's now Angel's pet.
    Captain Subtext;
    Angel remarks of 'the father will kill the son' to Wes who hasn't a clue what he's talking about. How much do the rest of the gang remember? Spike refers to Angel as a drama queen. Now of course Liam is the Irish version of William so maybe 'diddle his willy' has another meaning?
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;


    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Great ref where the man who recruits number 5 is Holland Manners from season 2. Can anyone tell me whom the aging starlet Lorne is referring to? Wonder Woman referenced, this is at a time when Joss was planning the movie which sadly didn't come off (love to have seen ED or CC in the role). Very clear that Gunn is the most comfortable at WR&H. Angel's photographic memory again. Angel appears to limp some of the time, because of the beatings he's recieved or because DB's knee is giving him trouble? Note Spike knows how to defeat the demon through his poetic soul. Angel enters No5's home without an invite but does No5 dragging him inside count as one? So what happens the medallion after the fall of WR&H? Love to see it and the creature tu
  2. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    LINEAGE

    The Good;
    Hard boiled Wes in both terms of his negotiations and gunplay. All the scenes with Wes and his dad are excellent as is the assault on WR&H
    The Bad;
    We tolerate a lot of dramatic licence in terms of what AI can endure but Gunn being chucked against the staircase should kill him. If WR&H have this staff that controls Angel why not use it before?
    Best line;
    Wes (after Emil prattles on); "If I'd know this was a seminar I'd have worn a name-tag"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Hooks through the throat! Also Wes gropes around the cyborg's guts with his bare hands?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 17,
    Cheap Angel; 7
    Subverting the cliche;
    Fang Gang in bondage: Gunn chained
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 6
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: Fred passes out, Wes knocked out by his 'dad'
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 8
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Lorne; 7
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 4
    Kills; Wes kills one of Emil's goons and 2 cyborgs. Angel kills a cyborg.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 61 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2261
    Recurring characters killed;
    10
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, here Spike saves Gunn
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Wes with his 45s, Fred with the sniper rifle. Presumably Wes uses the 13-shot model of the 45 as he fires 9 bullets when he shoots his 'father'.
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy

    Kinky dinky:
    Emil is turned on by the sight of a woman handling a powerful weapon. Well who isn't? Worked for Ripley/Sarah Connor! Wes' dad describes his mum as 'sturdy'? Spike refers to him having sex with the Buffybot and his mum trying to 'shag' him. I know the Buffybot is true but is that really true about his mum? Not from my recollection.
    Captain Subtext;
    Lorne hints that Churchill and Richard Harris had a love child? Spike thinks Wes was grown in a school for dandies. Angel says he's not comfortable with hugging. Like CC in Spin the Bottle Spike makes great fun of Wesley being 'Head boy' (good thing he never let's on about his own relationship with his mother). Whereas the prophecy stated that the father will kill the son here we have the son killing the father (although neither turns out to be true). Angel wears a lot more grey than black this season perhaps illustrating his moral ambiguity?
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay
    Wes ruthlessly tortures the cyborg.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;


    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Emil is the guy who sold Wes his James Bond style weapons in Spin the Bottle. The ninjas are reminiscent of both the old Disney Star Wars clone The Black Hole and Snake-Eyes from Action Force/GI JOE. Note as soon as his dad shows up Wes returns to his klutzy season 1 self (just like Tara get's her stutter back in Family). Does Lorne say that Louis Gossett Jnr wants a phone party or foam party? Are the cyborgs Tw
  3. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    DESTINY

    The Good;
    The fight, the race, the flashbacks, all great! And the great ending. The Fred/Eve hurt/comfort scene is also very powerful
    The Bad;
    As they point out in the commentary the Alice Cooper eyeshadow. Also the idea that Lorne would just lock himself in his office, I mean this is the guy who went to fight the Beast.
    Best line;
    Spike; "Mountan Dew!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Gunn throttling Eve is horrible, reminds you of Lilah/Gavin. Spike and Angelus crashing the wedding.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 17,
    Cheap Angel; 7
    Subverting the cliche;
    Mountain Dew! Also when Fred tries to sympathise with Eve and Eve rejects her concern.
    Fang Gang in bondage: Gunn chained to the bed
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 7
    Lorne; 5
    Fred; 3

    Fang gang knocked out: Gunn doped up
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 8
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 3
    Lorne; 7
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 4
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 61 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil: Gunn big time
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2261
    Recurring characters killed;
    10
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Spike get's 'solid' again and jumps on top of a willing Harmony like the dumb tramp she is
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike and Harmony on the desk. Unromantic but having been denied the touch of a woman (or anything else) for so long hardly suprising Spike jumps on the first (room temperature) body he can get? Angelus and Dru, much to Spike's dismay. Dru refers to Spike as 'sweet willy'. Darla still devoted to her Master much to Angelus's disgust. Spike let's slip about the circumstances of him killing his mother, Harmony comments how it explains a lot. Fred knows what the term 'nooner' means. Love Eve's dress and the sexy striptease she does at the end. Gunn cautions Eve 'Don't be touching the robots'. Spike describes sex with Buffy as 'putting it to her'. Gunn says that Fred might want to tie him down again, does he mean when he went crazy or when they were dating?
    Captain Subtext;
    Angelus comments that he's sick of the company of just women and asks Spike if he thinks he's 'deviant'? Angel asks the newly corporeal Spike to stop touching him. Angelus bids Spike to be 'Home before sunrise' again casting the Fanged Four as a sort of family with him as the father and Spike as the son. Eve calls Fred 'princess' and 'sweetie', Spike calls Angel a ponce. Spike is happy to voyeuristically watch Angelus having sex until he realises it's with Dru. As with Lover's Walk, souled Angel still knows how to push Spike's buttons. Once again Spike and Dru seem to retain some aspect of humanity which other vamps lack, Angelus saying that vamps can't know true love ('Nothing is yours')and Spike and Dru intent on trying anyway. Spike also hugs Gunn and asks him to go drinking with him at the end of the ep. Even Joss comments upon the homo-eroticism of the Spike/Angel scenes.
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    8,
    Guantanamo Bay
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Ange
  4. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    HARM'S WAY

    The Good;
    All things Harmony, love the demon summit stuff and Fred and Harm bonding. Great bitchfight between Harmony and her rival. The WR&H corporate video is also great they should have got Troy McClure to do the voiceover.
    The Bad;
    It's lightweight and inconsequential but it's meant to be.
    Best line;
    Fred; "I'm sure Angel can help you"
    Harmony; "Angel's not a helper, he's a chopper" (as her friend Eli found out)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    You feel so sorry for poor lonely Harm, just because she's evil doesn't means she doesn't have feelings.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 17,
    Cheap Angel; 8 he refuses to give Spike any travelling cash but will lend him a car if it gets him out of town "Typical, you cheap sod".
    Subverting the cliche;
    Fang Gang in bondage: Lorne and Fred tied up
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 7
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 4

    Fang gang knocked out: Fred and Lorne knocked out by Harmony
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 8
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 3
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 5
    Kills; one demon for Angel
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 62 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: poor Toby
    2261
    Recurring characters killed;
    10
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Harmony 'sluts it up' and beds a guy she picks up in a bar. She comments that Fred doesn't have 'a lot up front', sad but true and something she's a little self-conscious about to judge by Spin the Bottle. Fred actually knows that Wes and Knox are after her, you think back to her remark at the end of Waiting in the Wings. She thinks both are hot. Harmony offers to show Angel her abs. The demons refer to Angel as a 'filthy man whore'.
    Captain Subtext;
    The girls doubt Wesley could be interested in Fred because 'Everyone knows he's...muffins'. Vamps consider live people to be 'straight'. Despite implying that a male vamp would have to be gay to bite another man Harmony eyes up the necks of the office girls and has bitten Willow in the past. Fred and Harmony's night out resembles a date
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages; yep, where Harm dumps the body
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Always thought that Harmony's rival looked familar, finally recognised her as Karen, one of John Lithgow's students from 3rd Rock from the Sun. Angel and Spike are still bashed up from Destiny. We knew Spike and Fred were chummy but he seems to be on good terms with Lorne too. Was Harm ever really popular or did she just ride on CC's coatails? WR&H 'own' the LAPD which must have been news to Kate. It strikes me that if you really are an astronaut it must be a useless pickup line as no one actually believes you. Spike comes back to Harm in the end, shows his sensitive side and appears to
  5. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SOUL PURPOSE
    The Good;
    Brilliant dream sequences, especially like Honky Tonk, Fred's surgery and the apocalypse fantasy. Interesting to see Spike and Lindsey setting themselves up like a proto Angel and Doyle.
    The Bad;
    Stupid looking creature and I don't buy the whole earrings idea. What's Lindsey's plan, he doesn't want to kill Angel as he sends Spike to rescue him? Just want to dishearten him so he gives up? Afraid that killing him would incur the wrath of the Senior Partners?
    Best line;
    Wes; "You're overlooking the merits of assassination" (words to make James Bond proud!)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18, yep and his chest opened.
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Subverting the cliche; Spike tells off the woman he rescued for walking down dark alleys in high heels.
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 7
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 4

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 8
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 3
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 5
    Kills; Spike kills 5 vamps (2 offscreen) plus the parasite. Does Lindsey hire these guys and set them up to be killed or does Spike just patrol and run into them?
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 62 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 7 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2261
    Recurring characters killed;
    10
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    As the writer states, the way to endear yourself to a film crew is to set a scene in a strip club (and a HUGE number of shows seem to end up there eventually), lots of lovely ladies wearing very little flexing themselves around poles. Angel gives Fred a pearl necklace, a pornographic slang term you either understand or you don't so I'm certainly not going to explain it here.
    Captain Subtext;
    Lindsey almost seems to trying a gay pickup on Spike who refers to him as Mary and Butch. He says he doesn't want to be Lindsey's 'kept boy'. Fred retrieves a pearl necklace from Angel's stomach? Angel imagines himself in bed with Buffy AND Spike (in the comics Buffy fantasises about the same except they're all in chains and she's dressed as a sexy nurse). Note however there are also female clients in the strip club.
    Spike refers to himself as a 'working class lad'. Rubbish, his 'mockney' accent is all a sham as Lies My Parents Told Me proved. He's upper class. This may be some form of class guilt from Angel who was middle class (The Prodigal) and feels bad about all the luxury he know enjoys. Get Gunn together and they could do the Class sketch from the David Frost show (funniest sketch EVER!)
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    "Sold their children to the devil, KILL THEM ALL!" Angel has his Xena moment.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 16.
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Remember reading an interesting one onc
  6. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    DAMAGE
    The Good;
    Great breakout scene, very Halloween, Terminator 2. Andrew is funny as hell and wonderful final scene between Spike and Angel.
    The Bad;
    How does Lindsey know about these things to send Spike to?
    Best line;
    Angel (of Dana); "She's an innocent victim"
    Spike; "So were we, once upon a time"
    Makes me tear up every single time!
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    All the torture and murder scenes and of course Spike's arms being cut off! Can't watch any of the scenes with Dana being tortured or her family being killed, just too horrible
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage: Spike chained up
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 7
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 4
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out: Spike
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 8
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 3
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 62 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 7 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: Dana cuts up the 2 poor orderlies at the hospital, the unfortunate security guard at the supermarket (someone should count all the security guards who get killed in Buffy/Angel over the years) and the tragic docker who tries to help her
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    10
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Andrew refers to Fred as 'attractive slender woman'. Lorne calls his assistant to get the whip. Spike asks Andrew if he's ever tasted 'a penny' From The Big Bang Theory? (Thank you scrawny71 for pointing out that)
    Captain Subtext;
    Andrew says that Spike is beautiful and comments on his 'Viggo Mortenson' pecs. Spike calls Andrew a ponce.
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Andrew takes Dana into protective custody
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17 Andrew
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought;


    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Note Dana marks herself just as the first Slayer did. Gunn of all people loves the system, very different from his first entry to WR&H in season 1. Note that some of Dana's drawing have the Shadowmen in it. When Dana speaks in Chinise Spike replies with the same words he said to the Chinise Slayer as he killed her. Wes is in touch with Giles (through his father if nothing else?). Spike jokes that Angel's worry is starting to make him look old, a comment in ageless vampire Angel starting to look a few years older. Irrelevant that Spike didn't torture Dana or kill her family because he did it to THOUSANDS of other people. Remember the little girl in the coal cellar? No one trusts Angel any more, he realises that he and Wes&co have cut themselves off from the other Scoobs.
    Buffy and Dawn are in Rome with Dawn going to an Italian school. The reason we saw so little Joyce in season 4 is that Kristine Sutherland was housesitting in Ital
  7. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    YOU'RE WELCOME

    The Good;
    EVERYTHING!
    The Bad;
    NOTHING! Well actually, Spike has met Doyle during 'In the dark' so why doesn't he recognise the significance of the name?
    Best line;
    CC; "You're welcome" (Could it be anything else?)
    also like;
    Angel (of Lindsey's new superpowers from Nepal) "They sell that crap at the airport"
    and
    CC (grabbing Eve by the hair) "Let's go Lilah junior"
    plus
    CC (to Lindsey)"Dinner and a show. And you're both!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Poor old Lorne has to get bled to make the spell work. Plus slaughtered nuns (once upon a time just Angelus' thing)
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 14
    Wes: 7
    Gunn; 7
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 4
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 8
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 3
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 45 vamps, 62 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 7 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: poor nuns
    2270
    Recurring characters killed; alas poor Cordy, we've had her from the very first episode of Buffy all the way through to the last season of Angel (8 years and over 100 eps) and now we must say goodbye. The shallow bitch queen of Sunnydale High became the girl we loved and lost
    11
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Spike now cut off from Lindsey/Doyle and drinking with the AI gang (as indeed is a lonely Harmony)
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes,

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Eve hints that Angel really rocked her world during their sex in 'Life of the Party'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Eve remarks that Angel is still the centre of Lindsey's universe. Hmmm?
    Know the face, different character; 5
    Parking garages;
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Harmony beats up Eve but doesn't get to bite her. Eve seems to give up Lindsey very easily. Once again we have the strangely ambivalent attitude to torture we see in a lot of TV and movies
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought;
    Read a lovely one where the last thing CC does is go to see Phantom Dennis, tellhttp://www.fanfiction.net/s/3044478/1/Whatever_happened_to_Phantom_Denniss him she loves him and that it's time for them both to pass to the afterlife. And he does so they can be together forever. Another familar theme is that Xander's attempts to reason with Willow at the end of Grave fail and DarkWillow either destroys the world or takes it over in partnership with The First Evil. Then Cordy appears to her and convinces her to set things right because SHE rather than Xander is the real love of Willow's life.

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    The critter in the tank is very reminiscent of the 4-5-6 we see in Torchwood; Children of Earth. Cordy joins Willow, Buffy, Giles, Angel, Spike, Dawn, Andrew and Riley as a Scooby bitten by a vampire. CC apologies to Wes for kill
  8. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Into single figures!

    WHY WE FIGHT
    The Good;
    Another wonderful Spike and Angel scene at the end, just as we saw in Damage. Once again past deeds come back to haunt us but this time it's what Angel did rather than what Angelus did. Also love Spike's 'Heil Hitler' salute to Angel and I think Eyal Podell does a great job as Lawson, he really looks like the naive all American poster boy (you could imagine him in Everwood or One Tree Hill or something) who is graphically confronted with the harsh realities of life.
    The Bad;
    Considering what badasses they're supposed to be Lawson overcomes AI very easily. Why do Spike and Lawson have to reach the shore before sunrise, can't they just hide underwater until night?
    Best line;
    Angel; "Spike's not in the SS, he just likes the coat"
    plus
    Spike; (of his fellow vamp prisoners) "Got to warn you, they're a bit stiff"
    also like;
    Nostroyev; (of Angelus) "You had quite the reputation back in the day but I haven't heard much of you lately"
    Angel; "I haven't heard much of you EVER!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Gunn speculates that Lindsey is 'boiling in his own filth'? YUCK!
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage: Wes, Fred and Gunn all trussed up. Not Lorne though, because losing his head wouldn't kill him? Angel chained to a mess of weights
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out: Wes, Fred and Gunn
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 19
    Wes: 9
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 6
    Spike; 5
    Kills; 3 vamps for Angel several decades apart. Will he make the magic 150 total of kills by the end of the series?
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 62 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 14 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 13 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 7 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 11
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: poor subs crew
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    11
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 6, from now on I really consider Spike to an inseperable part of the gang
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 3

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike had been invited to a 'virgin bloodbath'...
    Captain Subtext;
    ...but when he got there the virgins all looked like Gobbels? Nostroyev was the lover of Rasputin. Hello sailor!
    Topical politcal comment on the War on Terror? This ep really deals with the moral compromises inherent in warfare, Lawson seems unable to accept that the US would do things like torture, use the supernatural for it's own ends and make alliances with evil people (like Stalin?) for the greater good. And yet here we do, Angel siring him to save the crew and help the war effort and then letting him and Spike go, responsible for the deaths of all they killed in the meantime. An obvious but powerful allegory to AI joining WR&H. It's a tribute to the power of the writing that there is no easy answer to all this, we don't know who's right or wrong, sometimes there are no easy options.
    When Fred complains that Knox messed up an experiment Wes emphatically agrees that Knox is unreliable.
    Know the face, different character; 6 Camden Toy who play
  9. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Now here's a crowdpleaser!

    SMILE TIME
    The Good;
    It's all fabulous, a truly, truly great episode and I'm proud to say I do own a puppet Angel doll (unfortunately the one with him in vampface as all the rest were sold out).
    The Bad;
    ?
    Best line;
    Polo; "I'm going to tear you a new puppet-hole bitch!" (a line never before said on TV and in all probability never will be again)
    also like;
    Puppet Angel; "I'm made of felt. And my nose comes off!" (as above)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The bit where the puppets make their creator 'talk to the hand', euugghhh!
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Cute children's puppets are EVIL! Also like the talk between Gunn and Lorne with Framkin where he correctly points out that actually the public would invariably support him if their case ever came to trial. Puppet Angel's Jerry Bruckheimer style 'power walk' also hilarious.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel by the nest egg
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 9
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 6
    Spike; 5
    Kills; 1 demon for Angel, 2 for Gunn and 1 for Wes
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 63 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 15 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 2 demon, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 7 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang; puppet Angel
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 2
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    11
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 6,
    Angel, Gunn, Fred, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat;
    Fred uses one of Wes' 45s to good effect (maybe they've learned their lesson from Lineage?). She's a good shot but then she is from Texas.
    Wes; 11
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 4

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 1 possible, Justine
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Nina and Angel start to grow closer and closer. Naked Nina in her cell showing an awful lot of flesh after returning to human once more "Oh my god, I ate him!" Hmmmmm? Flora the puppet says she wants to get Gunn's 'Pretty eyes'. Fred thinks puppet Angel is cute. Nina seems to now enjoy being naked and locked in a cage. She thinks the whole vampire thing is kinda sexy although she admits that's a cliche for an art-school chick.
    Polo's line to the little kid 'Get over here and touch it' is a bit suspect especially the way he moans and groans when he's draining the lifeforce and talks about taking their innocence away.
    Captain Subtext;
    Angel has been utterly oblivious to Nina's growing attraction to him but it's perfectly plain to everyone else, even souless Harmony. He does however pick up on the Wes/Fred vibe.
    Know the face, different character; 7 David Fury, writer, producer, director and now actor. He previously played the goat-sacrificer in Epiphany and the mustard on his shirt guy in Once More with Feeling.
    Parking garages;
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Especially love the way that Horatio can convey whole sentences
  10. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    A HOLE IN THE WORLD

    The Good;
    Some very worthy stuff here, lovely Spike/Angel and Fred/Wes stuff. Gunn starts to realise the price he's paid for his mind upgrade. Especially love the moment when Fred sings and Lorne reacts, reading her future.
    The Bad;
    The White Room scene seems very unnecessary
    Best line; has to be;
    Fred; "Wesley, why can't I stay?"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Considering what happened to Glenn Quinn the Burkles remarks about 'Junkie movie stars' are a little tasteless. Also Wes kneecapping the guy who just wanted his fax. Needless to say, hard to watch Fred suffer.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Fred isn't concerned by the sword sticking through Angel but wants the specimen on it
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out: Fred passes out
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 9
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills; going to let Fred go out with a bang and give her a dozen demon babies from the nest. Also one for Wes and one for Spike. 4 of Drogyn's demon guards each for Spike and Angel.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 67 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 3 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang; Fred to Illyria
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265
    Recurring characters killed; goodbye Fred, liked you but never loved you as I did say Willow. Still, sad to see you go.
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; literally as here we have Fred as Ripley (before Alien3 ruined the series) packing a flamethrower whilst Wes has his shotgun and a 45 later
    Wes; 12
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Do Wes and Fred have sex? She implies he's never been there before, do they have sex? Maybe
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Fred hints she's had group sex with the varsity lacrosse team. She says she's joking but you know she was doing a lot of weed back then. Fred is in effect orally raped by the essence of Illyria which then gestates inside her, taking over her body (again, very like Aliens)
    Captain Subtext;
    Spike; "You think we should annoy other people?" Couple or what? Spike thinks James Bond's tux is poncey. Say that to his face? Angel doesn't know about Wes/Fred just as he didn't know about Fred/Gunn. Spike and Angel hold hands, hmmmm? They refer to St Petersberg where Anyanka and Halfyrek also hung out, wonder if it was at the same time?
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Lorne hits Eve. Didn't see that coming just as Lindsey won't in NFA
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;
    According to the commentary this show was very long so plenty of scenes to be restored on a DVD extra
    Questions and observations;
    For my money the astronauts win, they've everything the cavemen have plus science and tech
  11. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    SHELLS

    The Good;
    Great battles and some real heartbreak for Wes and Gunn. Also like the skeleton key gag.
    The Bad;
    Why do Wes and co keep attacking Illyria with swords etc when his axe just shatters off her head in the opening scene? Illyria mispronounces 'Offal'. The ending is perhaps a little overly maudlin compared to 'You're welcome'.
    Best line;
    Harmony; "Sorry boss, if I'd have stopped her in Gunn's office..."
    Angel; "Did you get chucked out a window?"
    Harmony; "No"
    Angel; "Then you're one up on me!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Wes stabs Gunn
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Illyria; "My last high priest was taller"
    plus Angel doing his 'save humanity' speech only for Wes to give Knox some Frank Castle style therapy with his Colt 45 (and I'm not talking about the beer!)
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 18,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out: Wes by Illyria
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills; Wes kills Knox
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 67 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 1
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot: although it's a wonder, they run in front of their SWAT team's guns?
    Angel: 14
    Wes; 2
    Packing heat; Wes armed to the hilt this ep
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Knox's mum thought he was reading porn. Let this be a lesson to us all, let your children read porn otherwise they'll turn into the crazed acolyte of an ancient demon warrior-goddess who plots to destroy humanity. Illyria strips in front of Knox. Spike agrees Harmony has a degree in tearing things up, his back? Angel refers to Jasmine violating CC. Harmony fancied Knox.
    Captain Subtext;
    Harmony has great insight for a vamp, telling Wes the girl of his dreams loved him. She also comments that Knox's Rick Springfield screensaver opens a whole new bunch of questions.
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    9,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Everyone tortures everyone else, it's the Spanish inquisition! Love the way Wes is glad that Knox is tortured even before he knows Knox is a traitor.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Note the weapons lined up by Fred's bedside. Harmony talks of her 'pound of flesh', a term from The Merchant of Venice which also features a climactic courtroom scene. Lornes isolation gradually growing. Willow is in Tibet, looking up Oz? Wes comments "Never a witch around when you need one", his wife of course Alysson Hannigan. 'Old ones' very Babylon 5 term. Note with the exception of Harmony who isn't part of AI Angel is now an all-male production? Is Fred's soul actually destr
  12. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    UNDERNEATH

    The Good;
    All the Lindsey stuff is great and love the appearance of Marcus and everyone's reaction to it. Love the Spike/Angel conference complete with beer.
    The Bad;
    How does Lindsey know Fred and Cordy are dead? Or is he referring to Doyle and Gunn? You can see the perspective gag when Marcus punches through the security guard. The background on the roof set which Wes and Illyria stand on is obviously fake.
    Best line;
    Angel; "Bad things always happen here, Spike"
    Spike; "Hate to break it to you mate but bad things happen everywhere"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Lindsey/Gunn have their own personal torture chamber. Spike just picks up the hearts with his bare hands.
    Apocalypses: 5 Spike and Angel have a discussion over what qualifies as an apocalypse. Lindsey informs them they're actually living in an apocalypse.
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Marcus doesn't want to fight, just to get Eve to sign her contract.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19, Lorne takes the bullets out of Spike
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 67 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang; suburban Gunn
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: poor WR&H security guard
    2265
    Recurring characters killed; Eve realises that she's going to die just like Anya in Buffy.
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot: Spike and Angel
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat; not the gang but you've got to love a series with Uzi toting soccer moms!
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike talks about 'pounding the neighbours wife'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Angel and Lorne comment on how well dressed Marcus is. Lindsey's wife is very reminiscent of Darla, you wonder if Angel and Spike are thinking that when then they open the door. Gunn obviously wants to be punished. Illyria says 'We' are so weak?
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages; oh yeah
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Harmony has been told 'No torture' by Angel. Lorne is shocked when Angel reveals he left Gunn behind. The Wrath!
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Spike refers to Knightrider, he shouldn't have teased the Geeks! Spike asks what the collective name for the Angel gang is, we never quite decided, like AI and the Fang Gang personally. It's actually Spike who comes up with the idea of talking to Eve. Harmony in the title sequence, how great, MM in the show right from the pilot, now a regular. They talked about the Lorne Green idea before in Happy Anniverasry. Am I missing something about Wes' joke? The world without shrimp is referenced again, this time the world with it. Eve
  13. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    ORIGIN
    The Good;
    Great final confrontation and like the way that Spike is so possessive of his clipboard. Powerful performance from Wes who grows ever more derranged as he suspects Angel has betrayed them.
    The Bad;
    ?
    Best line;
    Connor; (eying Illyria) "Sorry, always had a thing for older women"
    Angel; (muttering) "They were supposed to fix that"
    Connor; "What?"
    Angel; "Nothing"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Gunn has his heart ripped out on a daily basis.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills; Angel kills at least 5 demons, Connor kills 2
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Wes refers to them running out of people.
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike refers to Illyria as a 'filthy harlot'. Connor fancies her, once again a thing for older women, a teenage boy's lust so powerful even magic can't change it. Illyria wants to keep Spike as her pet.
    Captain Subtext;
    Marcus tells Angel he and Angel won't be having sex on the couch 'anytime soon'. But doesn't rule it out entirely? Angel's 'Do I look 500?' joke perhaps a comment on immortal Angel looking noticeably older. Check out the little look Illyria gives Harmony as she walks out of Wes' office. Hmmmm? Connor wonders if Sajhan wants to kiss him?
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .
    A few nice fics regarding what would happen is Connor and Dawn hitched up. What would the children of the son of 2 vampires and The Key be like?

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Never liked Connor but much like Riley in 'As You Were' he's much easier to accept in small doses. Anne Rice bashed. Good! Was it Cyrus Vail that made Sajhan incorporeal? What courage Gunn shows although you'd have liked to have heard what Marcus was going to offer him? You forget that Sajhan never met adult Connor so has no idea who he is. Does everyone now remember about Connor or just Illyria, Connor and Wes?

    Marks out of 10; 8/10 here begins the rehabilitation of Connor for me frankly
  14. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    TIME BOMB
    The Good;
    Great performance from mad Wes and lovely scenes between him and Gunn making up
    The Bad;
    In any show featuring time travel it's always a bit of a cheat to kill characters knowing you can just click your fingers and bring them back.
    Best line;
    Marcus; "Curing cancer Mr Pryce?"
    Wes; "Wouldn't be cost effective. I'm sure we make a lot of money from cancer"
    Marcus; "True, the patent holder is a client"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The Breathren want to feed their baby messiah consecrated urine and panda meat. I'm not sure which is worse?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; evil demon Fell Breathren all paternal (and rather camp?) about the coming baby. They also like organic cola.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265
    Recurring characters killed; everyone but then they come back
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Gunn suggests they keep Illyria in a leash. Spike refers to 'Dear Penthouse'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Illyria says that adaptation is compromise and Spike teases her about learning and the Internet. Again, we see why humans rule the world and demons don't.
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Suspicion of each other has started to pull AI apart, they don't trust each other anymore?
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .
    Angel travelling in time used by many fanficcers to rescue characters from all sorts of trouble.

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Wes suggests they keep Illyria as an asset and he's to be proven correct. Jamie Bergman of course is Mrs Boreanaz and a Playboy Playmate. Has she turned up in Bones yet? Anyone else worry that Wes is slowly becoming Illyria's high priest? Marcus suggests that Angel has gone from front runner in the earning stakes to back of the pack, a hint of Angel's history at the WB? When did the 1000 year war begin? Anyone else think that Illyria reminds you of Lady Gaga? Jim Jones was a religious cult leader who led his followers into mass suicide in the South American jungle.
    Here Angel get's the idea for the story arc in the last few eps.
    Marks out of 10; 7/10 I think the Illyria storyline drags on too long

  15. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    THE GIRL IN QUESTION
    The Good;
    Personally I think it's worth it just to see 50s Spike and Dru in their chic Fellini phase. Also stunning to see Amy Acker switch from Fred to Illyria and back in the blink of an eye. Love the slow-motion fight in the nightclub.
    The Bad;
    DB's Irish accent, thankfully the last time we'll hear it.
    Best line;
    Ilona; "The gypsies are a filthy people and we shall talk of them no more!" (the line that stays with you from this ep)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Mucho racism against gypsies! And against Americans (which of course neither Spike or Angel are) and some great cliches about Italians both negative (feckless, excitable, untrustworthy) and positive (cultured, stylish, charming). Also it's a little bad taste for Spike to have kept Nicky's jacket all these years, especially when Robin Wood was around.
    Apocalypses: 5 Spike queries that defeating the Mayor or Jasmine really counts as saving the world?
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; our cool heroes Spike and Angel are defeated and humiliated by the infinitely cooler Immortal.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20 shirtless Spike but oddly not Angelus?
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: Angelus kills one of the Immortal's lackeys.
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot: no but Spike and Angel get blown up
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat; Spike says they'll need lots of guns which may be a Matrix ref.
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Angel describes himself as 'Seeing Nina' but denies she's his girlfriend. The Immortal of course is an eternal being who may or may not be evil, just as Buffy likes them. Spike says he knows he hasn't a shot with Buffy but still loves her. The bartender comments that the Immortal's girlfriends come and go. So this makes Buffy's track record;
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 4 possible, Dracula+RJ+Shadowmen's demon and The Immortal(?)
    almost certain that Buffy and the Immortal have sex but we've never see it so unconfirmed, all we're told is that they snuggle. But then she's done that with Scott Hope, Owen and Jeffery.
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike tells Angel to 'Wank off!' The Immortal seems to have enjoyed a threesome with Darla and Dru which the pair are reluctant to do with Spike and Angelus. The Immortal didn't hurt Darla until she asked him to and describes him as insatiable and their sex as really great fornification. Dru refers to playing 'Pony'. Angelus once again declares that nuns are 'his thing'. The bartender describes Buffy as a 'girl gone wild'. Spike thinks that sex makes a relationship if you do it enough (good thing he never tells Angel about him and Buffy getting to fifth base on the balcony at the Bronze!). Trish Bu
  16. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    POWER PLAY
    The Good;
    Drogan and Illyria play Crash Bandicoot. Angel reveals his devious side and Illyria starts to embrace her humanity.
    The Bad;
    When Angel arrives at WR&H's offices it's night but when he walks into his office it's day. Angel threatens Lorne with a neck hold but we know Lorne can be decapitated and survive? But maybe that's the point?
    Best line;
    Lindsey; "They're a secret socitey"
    Gunn; "Never heard of them"
    Lindsey; "That's because they're SECRET!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Drogan tortured and killed is horrible. Also nasty to see Marcus pounding Illyria.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Angel kills Drogan!
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills; Illyria kills the demon, Angel kills Drogan
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 13 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil: we almost think Angel does
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: 4 civilians plus Drogan
    2269
    Recurring characters killed; Drogan
    13
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Illyria goes hunting with Spike, starting to become one of the gang
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat; Wes confronts Angel with a shotgun but Angel takes it off him
    Wes; 14
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 5
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5
    Notches on the Scooby bedpost; Angel beds Nina, possibly the healthiest relationship he ever actually has?
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 7; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve, Nina
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Nina rumages in her bedside drawer for her stake. She finds something similar in shape and size but declares 'That's not a stake'? (does it take batteries, perhaps?). She refers to Angel's Rome friend and worries he was thinking of her (another petite blonde with supernatural abilities). Angel has obviously rocked her world to judge by her remarks, she agrees with the Furies. Oddly she suggests that Angel makes love on the beach 'by himself'? Illyria states that she and Wes are no longer having intercourse which Spike misunderstands.
    Captain Subtext;
    Spike empathises with Illyria and they develop quite a nice relationship so late in the day. Is the demonic female senator aiming to be president in 2008 a parody of Hilary Clinton? Angel refers to him and Spike being intimate once but he may be referring to the events of 'Just Rewards'. Spike refers to frat boys paddling each other's behinds to prove their manhood.
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Drogan tortures the demon assassin whilst Angel sacrifices him for the greater good. Angel says that Lorne was amoral in his running of Caritas, he has a point. The gang want to torture Lindsey again but don't have to.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Stacey Travis who plays
  17. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    And so it ends, a series that started for me 17 years ago when I went to see the original Buffy movie in the cinema ends tonight with the final ep of Angel."If we should meet again we shall drink deep and laugh long err this rememberance. And if we should not, then this is a parting well made"

    NOT FADE AWAY

    The Good;
    The last day for the staff of Angel Investigations (especially poignant for Lorne/Andy Hallet who sings a wonderful version of 'If I ruled the world'). The final battles, Illyria and Lindsey in particular making great entrances. The twists in the tale. Also it's a small scene but love Harmony and Angel's little heart to heart, so very different but so very alike, Harmony actually misses being human a little but she's still evil.
    The Bad;
    Why didn't Joss do a commentary for the last ep of one of his finest creations? Richard Burton is a Welsh actor, not English. Angel says he doesn't remember what it was like to be human but he was human only 4 years ago in 'I will remember you' which was more recently than Harmony was (or was he leading Harmony on?). Jeff Bell's right, the cloaks the Fell Breathren wear make them look like football players on the bench.
    Best line; plenty to choose from, best written shows on TV and they saved some of the best until last;
    Angel; (getting pounded by Marcus) "Kinda hoped the fight would be going a little better"
    followed by
    Connor (punching Marcus and sending him flying) "Care about that dress for less!"
    then
    Marcus "I am a child of the Senior Partners, their strength flows through my veins, my blood is filled with their ancient power"
    Angel (vamping out and biting him) "Can you guess the one word you shouldn't have mentioned?"
    plus
    Eve; "Are you sure you can handle the Sharvin?"
    Lindsey; "They're sending me out with karaoke boy, how dangerous can it be?"
    (oh the irony!)
    Lorne; (shooting Lindsey) "I've heard you sing!"
    and
    Angel; (as WR&H collapses) "Time to go!"
    Eve; "Go WHERE?"
    also where else on TV would you get the line, Angel "The Fell Breathren, I want the baby returned to its' mother and the foster family dismembered"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Illyria makes trophies of the bad guys spines, glad we didn't get to see the eyeball thing! Gunn gives the demon Senator a splitting headache. Illyria gives Vail the mother of all uppercuts. Angel gets his own pen through his hand. It's a disgusting line but always makes me laugh, Vail "I crap better magic than this"
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Lorne kills Lindsey, the clown becomes a tragic figure, much as in King Lear, his leaving incredibly poignant. We think Lindsey might actually be redeemed in typical Angel fashion but instead he gets two in the chest.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills; Angel kills Marcus, Sebassis and the Pee-Pee demon. Illyria finally in the gang and kills Izzie, 3 humans(?) and Vail. Gunn kills the demon Senator and at least 2 of her vamps. Spike kills at least 3 of the Fell breathren. Lorne, who in 4 years of the most violent show on TV never killed anything kills Lindsey.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons- 9 kills including those on Buffy
    Angel; 48 vamps, 74 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 14 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg- 144 kills including those on Buffy
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs-32 kills
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.- 34 kills including those on Buffy
    Gunn; 13 vamps+ 16 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.- 35
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies-22
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine-26
    Spike; 21 vamps, 15 demons+1 human+one parasite-38
    Illyria; 1 devil, 3 humans and whatever Cyrus Vail is?-5
    Lorne; 1 human
    so in the course of 5 seasons AI kill over
  18. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    May 30, 2003
    star 5
    Just started watching this series.
    Ep 1: The security checkpoint to Winters' house is RIGHT THERE! Why didn't Doyle just hit the button to open the gates?
    Horrible vamp make-up. It looks seriously bad in this ep. Not just the throw-away extras, but everyone's. Maybe it was the lighting of the camera work, but it really looked below standard considering they had lot's of practice from 3 seasons of Buffy. Different tech?
    Couple of chuckles, but yeah, not great.
    Angel acting drunk really didn't work.
    Chello theme, good. Rockin' chello--weird.
    Serious pilot-itis.

    Ep 2: lonely life of singles in the big city. Yawn of trying to find the right person. Dating sucks. Yeah, we get that. Next.
    Show still working hard to find it's feet.
  19. saturn5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 28, 2009
    star 4
    Don't worry, once Faith arrives it never looks back
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