"As far as fur is concerned, if the animals are farm raised, fine, but I really think fur looks tacky anyway. " I always thought that this was the weakest argument ever levied to justify the cruel treatment of animals. So what if they were raised with a specific intent? How does that change your moral stance on the issue? Fur farms are okay, but other means of fur aquiring are not? Do you see what I mean by wishy-washy? Don't both animals die for there skin? So where does you moral fit in? Both animals are subjected to suffering. In fact, the farm raised animal will suffer the entirety of it's "natural" life. Pick a moral stance and hold to it. By the way, this argument was applied by the proponents of slavery at one time. The slaves were bred to be slaves so, in turn, it wasn't against anyone's moral standards to use them as such. Very illogical when applied to humans and just as much so when applied to animals.