Any chance we can move on to the 21st century here? [Sure!]

The fanfic FAQ gives "Should slash be allowed in fanfic" as one of the two examples of topics that should be discussed in comms rather than fanfic resource.

 

I'll be honest, DarthBreezy, I'm not really sure what you want from me here?

Coms was where I was directed to put this question so Coms is where I put it (that's what it says in the fanfic FAQ). The mods seem to agree that things need changing, and I'm very glad about that. There's been no threats of things reversing; if anything, there's been every indication that things will be changed because the mods are in agreement, they're just waiting for one mod to come back after they're done with real life stuff (which I completely understand). As far as I see there's no threat here to fanfiction that's already been published, not even a hint to that direction, and to be honest I'd be fine with the thread being locked because as I'm concerned my question has been asked and answered positively. I know you don't like me for being a bit aggressive but sometimes the wheel needs to squeak before grease is doled out, lol.

 

Tracy, I you.

That's it - dump the hubby and come away with me! I can handle male kidlets... After all, right now I have two adult sized ones here!

 

I guess that's where we agree to disagree - I don't see an alternate universe where Luke is trans, Leia is agender, etc. different from any other alternate universe wherein we change canon. It's just another facet of canon that can be mutable as we look into alternate universes, which all do not spit in the eye of canon because they are alternate universes.

My nexu in this fight is I want a forum where people of all sexualities feel welcome, without having their specific sexuality singled out as 'bad', 'wrong', etc even when they want to see reflections of themselves in canon characters. And I would hope that's a pretty reasonable goal. But call me a crazy kid for wanting it, I guess.

 

So we agree fanfic is a terrible evil, up there with Bronyism and fascism?

 

Sure, why not Ender...

 

Excellent.

My plans for world domination are a step closer to realisation.

 

I think it is important to note that this was brought up here in comms, instead of just fanfic, because this policy also affects the RPF. Whatever applies to one will also apply to the other. The policy also involves the owners of the site, not just mods and admin. This isn't just about SSR in fanfic and RP (though this is a large part of the issue), we want to make the boards more inclusive.

Unfortunately, like it has been mentioned before, both Mavjade and Ramza (along with several other mods) are away right now (and I'm still on limited time) so progress on this has been slowed.

 

Well there you go - I was NEVER 'ambiguous' when I wrote my works, nor were my characters, mind you, I also made it a point that their sexuality was never a focal point of the story. Mind you, I never tried to hide it about them either - it was just who they (are) were. *shrugs*

 

Let me see if, after a shower and before I embark upon doing my nails, I can do a bit of a master post to clear up some things. I don't appreciate words being put into my mouth as much as the next person, so hopefully this will let us avoid that.

No, I'm not here to tear down progress that's already been made. I don't want to see things backslide. I just think we have more of a way to go until we have a place where people who are not heterosexual can feel at home. Not sure where this comes from.

Inclusivity is my main goal here. I feel that these policies bleed out onto the rest of the forum. Most of my fellow Star Wars fans I personally know refuse to go to tf.n because these rules mark it, to them, as backwards and outdated if not outright hostile to their lifestyles.

Yes, I think slash between main characters should be allowed too, as other alternate universes are already allowed. George Lucas has made it clear in the strongest possible way that Luke Skywalker is a good guy, but nobody starts frothing at the mouth when we want to write an AU where Luke is evil. I am not here to spit in the eye of those who set down canon, not more than any other alternate universe fan is. Right now we're telling people that if they want to write an alternate universe to explore a topic and that topic happens to be 'any canon character less straight than a ruler', that is unacceptable. We're telling people that if they want to identify with that canon character in that way, it's bad and harmful. We don't attack cosplayers who show up with a different skin color or with a few extra pounds, despite what canon says; we shouldn't attack people who want to write about this either.

No, I don't want to usher in a new dawn of slash fanfic hell where everything is penises a-go-go all the way or whatever. I'm not sure where this comes from. So far our fanfic hasn't turned into penis-and-vagina-a-go-go all the way since heterosexuality is allowed, it stands to reason that things aren't going to suddenly become R-rated madness at the drop of a hat just because we say it's maybe okay to explore nonheterosexuality in fanfic with whichever characters we choose. Again, I'm not sure where the idea that I want us to descend into mature-fanfiction-net madness comes from. I think it's pretty clear that from page one we've been talking about slash fic not as prurient interest but as another form of acceptable fanfiction pairing just like how heterosexuality is treated already on these boards.

Again, inclusivity is my main goal here. I'm tired and angry about seeing TF.N caricatured as a backwards place for backwards people, just as I am tired and angry of hearing my friends talk about how unsafe they feel here.

To me the question has already been answered, and I thank the mods profusely for their diligency and expedient response. I know real life is hitting several of y'all hard and I don't expect a miracle overnight solution. I just wanted to get the gears moving, and this has been done. I couldn't be more pleased with the response, and I'd like to profusely thank all of the mods for being so kind and diligent about the situation.

 

You can't drop this giant **** here and then say "oh it's all good".

What does 'inclusiveness' in fan fiction have to do with FAN FICTION?

And Calling members of the community you are trying to win over 'backwards' etc ect, and claiming people feel 'unsafe?'

Someone pass me the key to the BIG cabinet, please... @Briannakin - I know you're holding it while Mav's away...

 

Why is allowing homosexual shipping going to make the forum any more of a ship fest than it already is? Why is this suddenly a concern only with non-heterosexuality rearing its head?

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that's why the majority of my Star Wars friends don't come here. I've even gotten a few "ew, you still go to that place?" comments. That's why I'm wanting to see things change.

 

I'm getting dizzy now...

 

So am I. I'm sorry I'm unable to adequately explain my position here. I did not intend to offend, I was merely attempting to clarify - and apparently failed in my task.

As I said, my goal here has already been achieved. The moderators are looking forward to change and so am I. For me the issue is closed.

 

I am following Briannakin's lead in talking about inclusivity through fanfiction. Perhaps if I cannot adequately explain things, Briannakin can.

 

"Shipping" is short for "relationshipping" - e.g., writing stories where romance between the two characters is paramount, or supporting a romance between two characters. "I'm a Rex/Ahsoka or Rexshoka shipper" = "I like reading about and support Rex and Ahsoka having a romance". I hope that helps.

 

You want the easy answer or the real one?

 

Usually shipping refers to purely romantic relationships. But I think those can be central to good stories, too, and like writing romances of all types, so I am biased.