Lit Anyone Else Think Inferno Squad Is Weird? (not the story but the actual concept)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by The Ganner, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    Not if it's a prototype pet project by someone high up. Which it is.

    I mean, would whoever's in charge of thr ISB really want a bunch of these squads running around if they didn't know they worked first?
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  2. The Ganner Jedi Padawan

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    Again thats why I said It makes sense, Originally I thought about it differently.
  3. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    Think Terror Troopers.
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  4. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    Also Shadow Troopers played a Special Operations role in the EU. I wouldn't be surprised if they functioned the same in the NuCanon.
  5. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    Yeah, that's more along the lines of Inferno Squad. The same could be said for the Dark Troopers, which was another pet project, as they went through multiple revisions from Phase 0.
  6. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    @Outsourced
    I strongly believe Terror Troopers were a part of the Phase Zero Dark Trooper project.
  7. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    I mean, they share some distinct similarities. But I think the Terror Troopers broke off into their own thing while the Dark Troopers went for full droid soldiers.
  8. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    Yes, but originally they were cyborgs. The cyborg program (Phase Zero) was cancelled in favor of droids. I believe Terror Troopers were a part of Phase Zero.
  9. Stymi Jedi Grand Master

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    The whole concept is very pulp-fiction-y. Makes for a decent story. I served honorably in the military for 4 years, so I'm not trying be disrespectful. I have done a lot of work with veterans.

    But I really think Star Wars is not your "man" if you are looking for military realism.

    I think Jello had it right in describing the squad as an analog of how the good guys in Star Wars tend to roll. Small, more intimate groups. That's a pretty effective Star Wars story telling trope. Plays well against the larger, more abstract galactic issues.

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  10. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    I know. What I'm saying is that while the Dark Trooper program continued into droids, the Phase Zeros broke off into their own thing, which became Terror Troopers.
  11. Yunzabit Jedi Knight

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    It is a little odd to have such a small group, but the 4 of them, aside from maybe Gideon, really were the best of the best.
  12. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Considering they're an ISB unit, if anything it's weird that there are so many of them--I can't recall ever seeing more than one ISB agent at a time. Beyond that. as others have said, they're a pet project. More than anything it speaks to the fact that sufficiently high-ranking Imperials can basically do whatever they want as long as the end result pleases Palpatine.

    Honestly the weirdest thing about them is that Versio, as portrayed, would come up with a name as flamboyant as "Inferno Squad".
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  13. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    I'm guessing their uniform is a common SpecForce kit. The sergeant on Endor immediately recognized them as Special Forces. It would make even more sense if the black/red pilot gear was the standard armor of ISB's special forces.
  14. EmperorHorus Jedi Padawan

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    Giant slug gangsters are weird.
    Moon-sized space stations that blow up planets is weird.
    Magical space wizards with laser swords that travel the galaxy keeping peace is weird.

    Star Wars is weird.

    An atypical set-up for a special forces unit is hardly over the top.
  15. Chris0013 Jedi Master

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    The only weird thing to me is that there is a group of only 4 operators is called a squad....and there is a crew of 2 to operate a ship that needs close to 100 people to operate.
  16. GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin + Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    The Corvus has a crew.


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  17. SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight

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    In the EU it would seem squads of 9 were the standard for infantry, while squads of 4 were the standard for special operations. The entire SO DBE was built around squads of 4.
  18. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Probably ridiculous, but: maybe a "squad" and a "squadron" are two different things? [face_thinking]
  19. Nickname320 Jedi Knight

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    I'm not going to repeat what others have explained so eloquently thus far, so I'll just say that "pet project" is definitely how I came to view them by the end of the novel.

    Worth noting in this regard: after finishing the last page, I thought to myself a bit and eventually concurred with an earlier thought I had had while reading: there was really no reason to send in this particular 'squad' other than the direct oversight it provided Admiral Versio. A small group of established and trained field agents would have been much more familiar with the circumstances of infiltration and the necessary trade craft; maybe, just maybe, this experience could have prevented certain complications that occurred during the mission. The novel tries to explain this away by saying that the mission circumstances were tailored to their specific areas of expertise (military background for Iden and Gideon, Naval Intelligence prodigy for Seyn, etc.), but based on how their first few missions unfolded, I just don't buy that (true, their skills came in handy at some points, but they were hardly requisite).

    The only explanation is the "pet project" description. Admiral Versio's Hand, as so wonderfully put by a few others. Their existence is compartmentalized even within ISB's SF division, further supporting this theory.
  20. GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin + Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    (People are talking about squads here, not squadrons)


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    Just from what I know about the military, I think a squadron would be a more defined unit, with a definite hierarchy of command, and a formal membership. A squad would be a more temporary association with an assigned mission. The squad might or might not still be together at the completion of the mission.
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  23. GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin + Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Infantry don't come in squadrons.

    A fighter squadron is 12 fighters.

    An infantry line squad is 8 soldiers (Imperial Sourcebook).

    So folks are wondering why Inferno Squad only has 4.

    The answer is because Papa Versio feels like it.
  24. DARTH_MU Jedi Master

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    They should be called Inferno Fireteam

    In RL, I think a Squad is made up of 12 people. At least in WW2 era.
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  25. Chris0013 Jedi Master

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    Actually a squad is a formal organization in the military from straight leg infantry to special forces units.
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