Anyone Foresee The Imperial Remnant Becoming a GFFA Sparta?

Obviously not someone who chose to name himself after a 1200-year-old illiterate tyrant.

 

Actually, the name is ironic.

My grandparents kept this massive family family tree in their files to trace themselves back to him.

Also, his illiteracy (like Prince Johns) is a myth.

 

And whether he was a tyrant or not can depend heavily upon the modern idealogical slant one puts upon him.

 

And whether he was a tyrant or not can depend heavily upon the modern idealogical slant one puts upon him.

Meh, he was a ruthless conqueror and that's why he was the Emperor. Its important to remember that pretty much everything we have in society was sadly bought in a price of blood.

But that's not relevant to SW.

Unless you're Wettengel whom firmly thinks Thrawn should have won.

 

He ruled with absolute authority. Hence, a tyrant.

 

He ruled with absolute authority. Hence, a tyrant.

In the classical sense yes.

However if you ask someone if they're gay, usually, you mean something else.

In this case whether he was a dictator whose actions go beyond "justified" measures of cruelty.

 

Pilot - I would actually disagree completely. His acceptance of joining the GFFA is completely in character for the reluctant leader of the Empire. His career has shown that he hasn't ever truly wanted the power of ruling and most of all his desire now, in his older age is peace. His acceptance of the GFFA is more of a survival though for his people and territories. The GFFA is Federation, so the Empire (or Imperial Remnant) can remain an individual entity. Pellaeon has made the best decision available.

 

For the record, I obviously could say Spartan women are more equal then in other city states, because I did. Besides that, I'm correct, I never said that Spartan women enjoyed outstanding liberty and equality, I merely said that they were more equal than in say Athens or Corinth.

But I'll drop the whole history arguement, solely because it has become about being arguementative whther or not you're correct.

I agree with whover said that the Mandolorians would be the true Spartans.

 

Spartans=Mandalorians could be true.....THe mandos are one of the few things in Star Wars i dont know about so im not sure....im actually looking for some easy education on them, if anyone is willing to tutor

 

LanceJade: "His acceptance of joining the GFFA is completely in character for the reluctant leader of the Empire. His career has shown that he hasn't ever truly wanted the power of ruling and most of all his desire now, in his older age is peace. His acceptance of the GFFA is more of a survival though for his people and territories."

It's not so much his reluctance to be a leader, so much as loving the Empire. Why would a man who's given his entire life to serving the Empire willingly turn it over to the Alliance?

"The GFFA is Federation, so the Empire (or Imperial Remnant) can remain an individual entity."

That's utter nonsense. Joining a federation and remaining an individual entity is complete opposite of each other.

 

It's not so much his reluctance to be a leader, so much as loving the Empire. Why would a man who's given his entire life to serving the Empire willingly turn it over to the Alliance?


Probably because he sees its the Empires only chance for survival again.

Economically they were crumbling and he had no clear successor.

 

"Economically they were crumbling"

And how is joining the economically ruined Federation going to help matters?

"and he had no clear successor."

And he does now?

 

You're making me think of Animal Farm.

C'est la vie.

 

Are they crumbling economically?

Perhaps no tariffs could make the "Empire" worlds a galactic power.

And maybe forcing a democracy (an authoritarian one at least) could prevent instability post his detah

 

"Are they crumbling economically?"

I didn't say they were, and I could ask the same about the Empire.

Common sense tells us that a war that laid waste to half the galaxy would cause economic damage. Half a decade of war combined with a war fought entirely in your own borders tends to do that.

"Perhaps no tariffs could make the "Empire" worlds a galactic power."

That's assuming there were tariffs ever, or that there there aren't any now.

"And maybe forcing a democracy (an authoritarian one at least) could prevent instability post his detah"

Possibly, but in all probability, given the Hapan, the GFFA Senate would make little difference when Pellaeon dies.

 

The problem that I think so many people have with the idea of Hapes and the Imperial Remnant becoming full members of the Galactic Alliance is that it feels as if the authors and powers at be over decided that there could only be one galactic government. Personally, I think it would of been fine to have the Remnant remain an independent ally of the Alliance. Yet, it seems that we are going in the direction of one government for the galaxy.

I personally am fine with that, assuming the Alliance turns out to be the democractic-republic we all want it to be, but I will always miss the Remnant as a separate entity.

--Adm

 

hmmmm I always thought that this new GFFA was sort of like a UN (minor its current stupidity), if not even a little more joined....like they are allies, economically and politically, but were still their own seperate entities....I'm not sure that's how i took it

 

"I personally am fine with that, assuming the Alliance turns out to be the democractic-republic we all want it to be"

 

I would say that joining a federation and maintaing an individual identity would be possible. Just think of the South in the War Between the States, all teh southern states held seperate identities (that was quite a large point of the war) but were still tied together in a confederation. I dont see a problem with IR joining a federation with the NR (allthought federation sounds too much like Star Trek to me). In fact, it could make for some interesting political intrigue(SP?!), having to keep together such a loose confederacy with such opposite "nations" so to speak.

 

Confederacy: A weak alliance of otherwise independent states.
Federation: A strong combination of states under a single government

You cannot have a condederacy and a federation at the same time. It's impossible.

 

I had thought them to be synonomous, dictionary. com sees it that way to, but I dont feel like cracking out websters.

Well, I say that the Federation should become a confederacy. IT would sound less star trekky, and it would make for interesting plot lines.

 

As in be identical to the New Republic?

 

for them to become a confederation, that wouldn't be the same as the New Republic. That's like saying our current US government is the same as it was under the Articles of Confederation.

 

The New Republic was pitifully weak and the government on Coruscant had practically no power. It is definately a confederacy.

 

No, all that means is that it's a weakly led republic. The fact that the central leadership is weak doesn't mean that legally speaking it is a confederation.