AOTC Chapter 8: Into the Club DISCUSSION

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  1. Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus

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    Until the release of ROTS on 5/19/05, I would like to discuss AOTC chapter by chapter on the DVD. There are 47 chapters to discuss over the next 8 months, excluding Chapter 1: Opening Logos, Chapter 2: Attack of the Clones and Chapter 50: End Credits.

    Each discussion will last 5 days. At the end of 5 days, the following chapter will be posted.

    Chapter 8: Into the Club
    DISCUSSION: September 23, 2004 - September 27, 2004
    DVD TIME INDEX: 21:35 - 24:47

    Synopsis:
    In front of the club, two aliens are advertising on a screen. Obi-Wan spots Anakin and lectures him about being a Jedi and responsibilites. Anakin reveals to Obi-Wan that Zam, who has entered the club is a she contrary to Kenobi's original belief. They enter the club and Obi-Wan continues to lecture and tells Anakin that he'll be the death of him. He sends Anakin on an assignment to find Zam in the club while he has a drink. An alien tries to sell Obi-Wan death sticks, but the Jedi pulls a mind trick and tries to better the alien's thinking. The club is bustling. Anakin continues to look for Zam, who is now pointed her pistol at Obi-Wan's back. Zam gets closer and Obi-Wan turns around and cuts off her hand. Zam falls to the ground. Anakin and Obi-Wan escort Zam outside. Everyone goes back to their business. In an alley, Anakin and Obi-Wan question Zam, however it doesn't get anywhere when an individual wearing a jetpack shoot her far away with a toxic dart and kills her. END OF CHAPTER

    Opinion:
    The club is an impressive part of AOTC. It parallels the Cantina very well. It is more human based than the Cantina, but we have so many cameos, Anthony Daniels, Ahmed Best, Katie Lucas and the list goes on and on.

    Obi-Wan owns this chapter with his lines "Why do I have this feeling that you're going to be the death of me", "For a drink" and "You want to go home and rethink your life. Elan is humorous and does well for the tension of the scene at times.

    I like how the mystery only is more complex now that Zam's dead and couldn't reveal the true assassin. This also confirms her Clawdite form, which I hated at first, but now it's pretty good. The club gives more complexity to Coruscant. It isn't just politics and fading religions.

    Everything about this scene is great. Too bad it only lasted a few minutes. When I first heard about this scene, I pictured it differently, but I think that it couldn't have worked any other way.
  2. Jedi_Steve Jedi Master

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    This was another one of the better done early scenes of the film. It parallels the original cantina, but in a whole new capacity.

    The mise en scene again is wonderful. The sports games on the large monitors are a nice touch, as well as the multitude of familiar looking aliens dispersed among the wacky yet somehow classy humans. The lowlight glow of the club adheres to the frequent darkness of the film, and the shadiness of its characters. The seedy environment is really conveyed here in the underworld of Coruscant. The world is expanded upon even further, and while its full of new images, it feels completely genuine "Star Wars".

    Obi-Wan's character is given more classic moments here as Moleman mentioned. The humor with the drug dealer is much different than that found in TPM, and is definitely a memorable Jedi moment.

    The buildup in the score as Anakin searches the scene as Obi-Wan takes some swigs is another effective suspense builder. Two of my favorite shots of the film occur in this chapter. Obi-Wan's twirl and slice of Zam's arm, as well as Jango's distant figure blasting off into the sky definitely had the "cool" factor going for them :)

    All in all a great chapter and a good close to one of the film's best sequences.
  3. HL&S Magistrate Emeritus

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    Yes I loved this scene. The witty humor was fun. The colors made for nice visuals. I loved the camera angle as Anakin walked through the crowd. Very different style than we're used to from George Lucas.

    The Unsavory troublemaker was a great little sequence.

    There wasn't much to complain about during this scene really.

  4. Panakas_Dawg Force Ghost

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    Jul 29, 2004
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    I love how Anakin looks like he's about to cry when he says, "I am trying, Master."

    My other favorite line is "Jedi business - go back to your drinks." :cool:

    The club is awesome - we see not only some sexy, skimpy clothes (Coruscant is obviously the hard-partying place), but various ladies of all species give Ani the eye. The screens showing pod racing and sports were hysterical.

    One of my favorite scenes in the entire saga, actually.
  5. rodman9866 Jedi Knight

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    I like how in the end of the scene just before Zam is about to fess up Anakin IMO tries to force persuade or mind trick Zam and then just thinks to himself "awe hell i'll just try and intimidate this trick instead" and then Obi-Wan looks at him like "WTF man she is about to talk chill out"

    then ziiiiip....toxic dart to the jugular....

    "there goes that lead"
  6. Aiwendil Jedi Knight

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    The way this scene flows out of the speeder chase initially struck me as somewhat odd, but it works. The action doesn't really come to a traditional climax, but rather fades away, the literal climax (Zam's capture and death) being not quite sufficient to satisfyingly resolve the chase. Instead, full resolution is delayed, so that the audience remains intrigued.
  7. DARTH_CHINA Force Ghost

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    I liked the scene very much.
    The darkness, the warm colours, the overall mood.
    Very nice musical underscore by John Williams, especially when Zam is about to shoot Obi-Wan.
    I also loved the mystery surrounding the toxic dart.

    If I had to chose, I'd say I much prefer this scene above the ANH cantina one.
  8. MatthewZ Force Ghost

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    Sep 21, 2003
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    >>I like how in the end of the scene just before Zam is about to fess up Anakin IMO tries to force persuade or mind trick

    I agree


    Also, our first look at Hayden as Anakin was taking from this scene. I was one of George Lucas' Selects.
  9. Mace Windy Manager Emeritus

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    "If I had to chose, I'd say I much prefer this scene above the ANH cantina one."

    I think that every purist's head will explode upon reading that comment. :p





    :cool: Mace Windy,
    five years of windiness!
  10. GRAND_MOFF_KEVIN Force Ghost

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    Loved this scene for its humor and when Zam gets hot the unfolding of the mystery


    "Wanna buy some deathsticks"
  11. Hades2021 Jedi Master

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    Don't forget:
    "Who hired you? Tell us."


    ...


    "Tell us NOW!"
  12. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    I love how confident Obi-Wan is in this scene. He moves and acts like he has everything plotted in his mind perfectly and he never falters.

    I think the cinematography here is fantastic. The colors really stand out.
  13. NZPoe Jedi Master

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    Nov 21, 2001
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    I know the reasons why Lucas chose not to do it, but it bugs me to no END that there is no "club music" in the club. I mean c'mon its a sports-bar after all, how could there NOT be some intergalactic-hip-hop-punk-rock going on? I would've greatly welcomed a new song to the alien soundtracks of SW :D
  14. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    This scene had two very striking moments for me on opening night.

    The first was the 'Death Stick Guy', I was used to Jar Jar in TPM (not that I minded that), and this humor was a very striking contrast. I loved it!

    Another was Anakin's 'Tell us now!' line. That really caught me off guard! I loved it!

    However, I never liked Zam being a clawdite. Still don't, never will lol. But it's ok because there's moments in every single favorite film of mine that I don't like. If there wasn't, I'd be frightened lol!
  15. kansasfan Jedi Knight

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    Sep 21, 2004
    Great scene but that deathstick guy annoyed me. It was the way he looked. Just plain stupid, ruined the humor for me.
  16. Hades2021 Jedi Master

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    "I want to go home and rethink my life."

    I think the EU needs to dive into this character and find out what happens when he rethinks his life. Maybe he becomes a doctor.
  17. Clear_Water Jedi Knight

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    This is one of the best edited sequences in the Saga. Tho I *miss* "But you haven't learnt anything" from Obi the scene is set nicely.

    Inside the club, it just gets better & better: Obi's throwaway encounter @ the bar, Anakin on the wrong trail (totally distracted as usual), Zam sneaking up on Anakin - but no, it's just a trick of the editing, she's actually sneaking up on Obi! Then Obi's fluid movements - swish-zoom! Off with her hand!

    Outside the club we get a first glimpse of the Vader interrogation technique, "Tell us what we want to know NOW!" In fact, Obi & Tarkin play the same role: reigning back Ani/Vader for the good of the mission!

    Great sets, visuals, atmosphere, performances etc.

    And so many classic lines:

    "Why do I feel you'll be the death of me?"
    "I think he's a she - and I think she's a changeling!"
    "I want to go home and rethink my life."
    "Jedi business - go back to your drinks."
  18. Jedi-Asajj-Ventress Jedi Master

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    One little detail I loved in this scene is the look on Anakin's face when Obi-Wan says he's going "for a drink." He's totally jealous!
  19. PhantomMenace Jedi Grand Master

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    I like this scene as well, mostly because, as other's have mentioned, it parallels the Cantina scene in several ways... aliens and humans intermingling, a bar with all sorts of drinks, Obi-Wan and his pupil, Obi-Wan cutting someone's arm off, etc.

    Wouldn't it have been interesting if we heard a remix of the original Cantina music? I know it would have made a bad impression on hardcore fans, it's just a funny thought. :p
  20. waheennay Jedi Master

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    I like all the hot chicks, especially the one with the see-through red pants!
  21. ThrawnRocks Force Ghost

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    This was a very nice scene:

    The obvious forshadowing of "Why do I get the feeling that you're going to be the death of me?" was pretty cool.

    And of course the death stick scene was an instant classic.

    Also, Zam proved that no one can disrupt Obi=wan's drink without losing his/her arm. ;)

    This scene truly showed that Coruscant was the Planet That Never Sleeps.


    This was overall a very good scene, it had quite a few nice nods to ANH, but It was no where near as good as teh cantina scene. It wasn't nearly as exotic looking, and all that color kind of got to me :p
  22. The_Nameless_One Jedi Master

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    The whole scene's great - but then so's the whole film :D
  23. nethanial Jedi Knight

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    The dialogue for Obi Wan during the whole scene is very good. I also liked when Jango killed Zam and Obi and Anakin catch a brief glimpse of him. It adds to the mystery of Obi Wan's oncoming investigation. All round its a good scene.
  24. Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus

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    Thank you for all your participation in CBC (Chapter by Chapter). AOTC Chapter 9: New Assignments DISCUSSION will be made available 12:30 AM EST. Although the discussion timeframe has passed, you may still discuss this chapter at your convienience. However, we will be moving on to the next chapter.

    -Moleman1138
  25. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    There isn't much I can say about this scene that hasn't already been said. It's one of my favorites in the entire movie.

    Here's one thing that no one has mentioned yet. Did anyone else notice the little hand gesture that Anakin gives the ladies right before they oogle him? a little mind nudge, anyone? :p
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