I'm trying to figure out where you stand on this. I inquired if you believed Dyas planned on stealing the money to pay for the clones and you answered. Then I asked if Sifo-Dyas has numerous co-conspirators based on that above statement and you ignored it. So I ask again. Based on that statement, are you saying Sifo-Dyas had numerous co-conspirators? That's all. If you agree that it goes both ways, then what was written there is not confirmation of Dyas ordering the clones or not ordering the clones. I can live with that. You're conceding the possibility that Dyas was manipulated by the Dark Lord into doing his bidding? So there are more scenarios suggesting that Sidious was more involved in the creation of the army than Sidious simply hijacking a plan in progress. Well at least you and I both agree that there is a lack of conclusive evidence regarding Dyas ordering the clones. There's common ground to be found! You said order means contact and I substituted the word for the two times Yoda uses "contact" in reference to Dyas. You were just being selective in regards to which contact you replace with order. But where would this footage have come from if indeed it was footage? If you're the author trying to confirm it was Dyas, why be so vague? Why tell us the Kaminoans never saw Dyas. There was no point in writing that when the films did not contradict that specific detail excluding the point about him being dead before the order was placed though.