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JCC are american Dynasties "Un-american" or just part of the process

Discussion in 'Community' started by Likewater, Oct 20, 2012.

  1. Likewater

    Likewater Jedi Master star 4

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    Some call them political families some call them Dynasties, I feel they are just creepy.

    In New York we have the Cuomo's

    https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS416US417&q=cuomo

    Nationaly whe had the Bush's and now the Romney's are making their play for power.

    in the past we had the Roosavelts who are rememberd fondly, and the ever famouse Kennedy's also called Camelot (For reasons i dont understand)

    Do you feel slightly creeped out by their prepecity to grab power? Do you feel they provide some sort of stability and familiarity?

    It's not new, the Adams could be said to be United States first political family.

    But its existance striked me as wrong some how, in a way I just can't put my finger on. Does anyone else feel similar? Or feel its simply a natural part of the political process?
     
  2. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    I'm more creeped out by people who cannot spell "Roosevelt".

    EDIT -- Or "nationally", or "we", or "existence", or "Adamses", etc. etc.
     
  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    We've had political families long before the Adamses--these thirteen colonies were founded by a small handful of families which maintained the natural and reasonable desire to maintain their position.

    We're not a Bolshevik country.
     
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  4. DarthLowBudget

    DarthLowBudget Jedi Master star 5

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    Yeah, these people are all democratically elected, its not like their power is enforced arbitrarily. Some people get into politics. Its no big deal.
     
  5. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Nothing wrong with people having a lot of political power just because they have a lot of money.
     
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  6. DarthLowBudget

    DarthLowBudget Jedi Master star 5

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    Ok, you got me. I guess I just don't think that they're "creepy." They're just a thing.
     
  7. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    they certainly aren't "un-american".
     
  8. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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  9. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To be honest I'd feel safer with the rich and powerful leading than the poor and insignificant.
     
  10. Coruscant

    Coruscant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    To be honest, I'd feel safer having people with the right policies and vision for the nation at the right time, leading the nation, regardless of whether they're rich and powerful or poor and insignificant.
     
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  11. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Careful, you know who might show up and elaborate.


    Misa ab iPhono meo.
     
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  12. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Having the right ideas and policies are meaningless if you don't have the power and resources to make them happen.
     
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  13. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    presumably if you were in a position of leadership you would have the power and resources.
     
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  14. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    So you're saying you like the Franklin Roosevelt and Kennedy Administrations?
     
  15. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    For the most part of FDR yes, and definitely JFK. Two good presidents.
     
  16. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I thought you were libertarian/conservative.
     
  17. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    Getting shot in the head is always the best way for a politician to increase his or her popularity overnight. See also: Abraham Lincoln, Gabrielle Giffords.

    Getting shot in the belly or the back? Not so much.

    But hey, at least you might get a cartoon cat named after you....

    EDIT -- "Garfield Administration Minus Garfield" lol
     
  18. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'd say I lean conservative. I don't care for FDR's New Deal policies mind you. But the man was a great president and a great leader who led us through the Great Depression and WWII. I'd vote for FDR over Hoover any day. And JFK was a great president. Stood up to the Communists, increased our defense, fought for civil rights, lowered taxes. If he came back to life and ran for office I'd vote for him.

    Hey JFK was a good president even before his tragic death. Though if he hadn't have died all his sordid personal details would've gotten out and made reelection for him a nightmare.
     
  19. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Why would you vote for Roosevelt over Hoover if you would have preferred government non-intervention to the large-scale Keynesian stimulus Roosevelt enacted?
     
  20. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Because Hoover's solutions were worse. FDR himself blasted Hoover for reckless and extravagant spending and raising taxes. FDR slammed Hoover for increasing the national debt and raising tariffs and blocking trade And Hoover also placed millions on the government dole. Roosevelt's running mate, John Nance Garner, accused the Republican of "leading the country down the path of socialism". So yeah... I'd pick FDR over Hoover.
     
  21. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for BRaaAAIiNSSS."
     
  22. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    That's just objectively wrong. Roosevelt made far more direct government intervention into the economy than did Herbert Hoover at any time.
     
  23. GenAntilles

    GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Hoover did a lot of government intervention, tax raising, and tarrifs. He just did it all TERRIBLY. Roosevelt at least made it seem like it was working. I may not like government intervention but there are times when it is needed, if only to make the masses think things are getting better and appease them. Better to have those policies than risk mass rioting or someone like MacArthur or Huey Long somehow gaining power in the crisis.
     
  24. DarthLowBudget

    DarthLowBudget Jedi Master star 5

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    So you're saying that Government spending and intervention didn't get us out of the Great Depression, and that Roosevelt was only responsible for putting up a good front to keep people happy while the whole thing quietly sorted itself out on its own?
     
  25. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    As Stephen Colbert once said (paraphrasing modern Republicans), it wasn't the massive government spending of the New Deal that dragged the U.S. out of the Great Depression. It was the even more massive government spending of World War II.
     
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