Are Clone Troopers Storm Troopers?

Oops, forgot about that one Bib.

 

so as i said, if anyone can prove that carida is the same place as the "academy" that luke speaks of, please do.

the empire isn't dumb. They would have more than 1 academy.
For example if one got attacked they need to have others or else it would definatly weaken the Empire.

 

Exactly. That'd be like any military placing all their troops in one place. I don't think the allies would have won WWII if all their soldiers were sitting in one location.

 

I think you're just in denial that I was able to post proof so quickly, and do not wish to accept that we are able to do so.

no, i don't think so. that was my point first of all, that there is more than one academy. that carida and the navel academy are not necessarily the same place. as for denial, that is what you my friend are in if you're still sitting there with your fingers in your ears, stamping your feet, and looking for loopholes in the wording of GL's latest statement confirming, yet again, that stormtroopers are indeed clones.

Plus, I Jedi states that Luke planned to join the Carida Academy.

bib, i have to be honest i just combed through the book and i can't find that statement. but i believe it's there if you say so. which annoys me because that's not what's stated in the encyclopedia, which was printed after such places as carida were spoken about in the EU. just another breach of continuity. although i also have to add that I'JEDI while being one of my favorite novels by my favorite EU author, michael stackpole, is full of contradiction to the movies. especially in the way it describes the lifestyle of the jedi. the whole idea of keiran halacyon having a family while being a jedi is a total contradiction. we know from epII that jedi are not allowed to marry. although we see this same contradiction in the book rouge planet with thracia cho leem.

things like this are why i refuse to take EU as absolute truth in SW. the movies can and will contradict the stories and ideas. GL marches to the beat of his own drummer, even when he ok's certain things, he'll still contradict them. case in point the stormtroopers.

 

Not really.

Do you agree that the SW movies are a work of art? If so, then you must also agree that GL is an artist. Which in turn implies that any work of art is open to different viewpoints and the view of the creator may not coincide with what others view. So any of GL's personal views do not matter within the GFFA, as they are not "in-universe" views. The official stance of LFL is what matters as they determine what is "canon" and what is not. Sure, any reader or watcher can have their own interpretation of events and if LFL's and GL's opinions differ then so be it.

As for I, Jedi that was written before EP2 even began pre-production. So I would assume that Stackpole had no idea that Jedi were not allowed to marry. However, he did say that Corellian Jedi broke off from the traditional Jedi views in order to have a family. They are not the only Jedi sect that have done so either. It's foolish to think that every single Jedi during the PT era is not allowed to marry. It is also foolish to assume that every Jedi belongs to the Coruscant Jedi Order.

 

Do you agree that the SW movies are a work of art? If so, then you must also agree that GL is an artist. Which in turn implies that any work of art is open to different viewpoints and the view of the creator may not coincide with what others view. So any of GL's personal views do not matter within the GFFA, as they are not "in-universe" views. The official stance of LFL is what matters as they determine what is "canon" and what is not. Sure, any reader or watcher can have their own interpretation of events and if LFL's and GL's opinions differ then so be it.

your statemens are contradicing themselves. if it is a work of art open to interpretation, than any interpretation may be correct and the statements of LFL and GL are of no consequence.

if you only accept that ideas must come from an "in-universe" point of view, than the "official" stance of LFL regarding what is canon, is also not "in-universe." so therefore if you don't accept GL's statements than you also in turn can not accept theirs.

the only way to accept the stance of LFL is to accept that out-universe answers are valid, as are GL's statements.

i accept GL"s statements. i do not look at the movies as a work of art open to interpretaion. i look at them as movies written by a man which present his ideas, and his story. consequently his story is not set in stone and he apparently reserves the right to change the past as he chooses. ie: greedo shooting first...ect ect... i accept that in the GFFA the past is malliable. not set in stone.

As for I, Jedi that was written before EP2 even began pre-production. So I would assume that Stackpole had no idea that Jedi were not allowed to marry. However, he did say that Corellian Jedi broke off from the traditional Jedi views in order to have a family. They are not the only Jedi sect that have done so either. It's foolish to think that every single Jedi during the PT era is not allowed to marry. It is also foolish to assume that every Jedi belongs to the Coruscant Jedi Order.


it is foolish to think that jedi are not allowed to marry? hmmmm...being that it's a major plot point that anakin has defied the rules of the order to marry, i can't imagine why you would think this. and it's also foolish to think that every jedi is part of the coruscant jedi order? what other order is there? there is only one republic ruled by the senate of coruscant. where is this other jedi order? as you've seen in the movies the jedi work for the republic. there is one jedi council. if you read i'jedi you would realize that kerian halacyon is portrayed as being a jedi of the republic. he fought in the clone wars.

you strengthen my argument that the information of the EU can not be taken as gospel by stating that i'jedi was written before epII and therefore the information about jedi was not as complete. the information about stormtroopers from that time is also incomplete. now we know their origins also.

 

They say he was joking because HE WAS joking- he makes that corny head-bump joke a couple times. It's no different than him saying Yoda and Miss Piggy (or was that Kermit?) are related.

he was? really, have you spoken to him lately? give him my regards. how can you presume to know what goes on inside his head? he didn't sound like he was joking to me on the commantary.

And they animated that head-bump as an in-joke to the well-known-among-the-fans stormtrooper-bumping-his head in ANH. There is absolutely no sensible reason to even believe it was meant to be a serious connection.

i didn't realize you knew the animators at ILM. again you presume. the reason to believe it's a connection is that GL says it. the other reason to believe there is a connection between jango and the stormtroopers is that GL said they are clones of him. even if you take that statement as a joke it is said twice during the commentary that the clones are stormtroopers. and now he has said it again in the set diaries.


this topic is tired, and has gone so far off the original topic. the original question is "are clone troopers stormtroopers." i think that even if you believe that there are human comscripts you also have to realize that the evidence in the films shows that there are also clones.

so the answer is yes, clonetroopers are stormtroopers.

 

." i think that even if you believe that there are human comscripts you also have to realize that the evidence in the films shows that there are also clones.

For the fiftieth time, we're not saying that none of them are clones. We think it's a mixed group of clones and non-clones.

 

Matthew Stover, author of Shattpoint, said that his best idea as to why there were so few clones was a setup for when they would have have NO CHOICE but to take recruits.