Are Jedi numbers all but decimated---now?

It was just a throwaway line I came across in Clone Wars 3: Last Stand on Jabiim TPB. Page 9, Kenobi comments regarding the Jedi that ". . . and there are now only a few thousand of us left."

Out of nine or ten thousand as of AOTC, could there be as little as, say, 3-4000 Jedi remaining? Or has incidental lines like that spawn too much speculation?

Or is this just his "point of view"?

 

I'll have to look at my copy of the TPB, but if it's a Jedi talking, I'd say they may have a better idea of their numbers than if it's someone else.

 

Up.

 

It makes one wonder how many Jedi turned and joined Palps.

Mostly like Obi-wan's PoV.

 

Granted, we all know that Kenobi was historically an incorrigible liar and teetotalling alcoholic, but in this one case I'm more inclined to grant "full faith and credit" to the literal interpretation of his words: that, as of 15 months or thereabouts post-Geonosis, there were only "a few thousand" Jedi Knights/Masters/Padawans left.

Obviously, this may still yet be contradicted in a future story, but it's rather clear that they'd *had* to start whittling down those numbers further fairly soon-ish that far into the timeline, or else we'd face the prospect of seeing seven or eight thousand Jedi still alive when the Empire finally sprouts.

 

I found what Excellence was refering to, but there is no left in it. Clone Wars Vol. 3: Last Stand on Jabiim, page nine (counting page 1 as the page where the two Jabiimi are talking about Jedi before the AT-AT arrives), Obi-Wan speaking:

"Anakin, you must remember that there are over a hundred thousand inhabited worlds in the Republic --

-- And there are now only a few thousand of us.

Billions of beings have never seen a Jedi. Millions have never even heard of our Order or of the Force."

Now, my copy may have had a mistake in it's printing causing the word left to be left out when printed. But if it wasn't a mistake, then it seems that Obi-Wan is not saying out of the nine or ten thousand as of AotC that only a few thousand are left. Rather, it seems that he's saying in comparison to the size and population of the Republic we are only a few thousand in size. Even ten thousand could be viewed as a few thousand compared to the millions he tells Anakin about who have never heard of the Force or the Jedi.

 

I wonder if that opening scrawl meant Jedi masters? Any official ratios of the Masters to Knights to Padawans?

Perhaps this mass disappearance will have something to with EpIII's plot?

 

That's it, Knight. I've already got it in the opening post. Did a quick edit when you asked after it.

Still "only a few thousand left" is ominous, all right. And Jabiim is only 15 months after the war commenced. Barely a year and a quarter.

Wasn't there a source that said a thousand Jedi were lost between TPM and AOTC?

 

I wonder how 1000 died in an era of relative peace. Perhaps most of them were older masters who passed on?

 

Think about it. They're ambassadors, police officers, peace oofficers. All extremely dangerous jobs and a Dark Lord of the Sith is arranging for situations that will eliminate them. This in a Republic of trillions. Really it's amazing that the Jedi Order still exists.

 

That quote leads me to believe that alot of jedi have died since the start of the war.

How many Jedi have we seen die? How many are said to have died by other Jedi?

 

More than 1000 Jedi must have died between TPM and AOTC. They continued training new jedi, you know. Despite this, their numbers neither increased nor remained the same.

When the Clone Wars began, the Jedi were already in the process of being eliminated, their numbers decreasing rapidly...

 

It's a more or less constant state of attritional flux -- enough Jedi die to balance out the apprentices getting trained, which is tipped out of level once the Clone Wars erupt.

 

Weren't there something like 20k Jedi alone on Ruusan a millenium ago? Their numbers were high then.

 

Something along those lines. It was after Ruusan, when the "One Master, One Apprentice" philosophy became enforced, that things started going to hell in a handcart on that front.

Quite likely, one could even extrapolate that it was Torr Snapit's own failure with no fewer than *two* of his apprentices -- at the same time, no less -- falling to the Dark Side on Ruusan that served as the most prominent example which led the council to rethink their approach to this particular training folkway.

 

Not to mention most of the order may have been decimated, if there were that many Jedi on Ruusan, who perished in the thoughtbomb.

 

How many Jedi died on Geonosis? It was in the hundreds, wasn't it??

 

hmmm... now do we have it that about 1000 jedi died in the gap between TPM and AOTC or simply there are 1000 less jedi in service at this time... many simply could have retired from active service as they grew older. others could have retired (but not left the order) when dooku left, as they shared his views on the republic's corruption. finally a good chunk could have died from assumed natural causes or workplace attrition, or others might have gotten sidelined through injury, dark side tampering, or whatnot.

considering how effective palpatine's agents can be, one might wonder how many 'natural or accidental deaths' of the jedi might have been actually plotted by the sith.

 

Are the Jedi that are killed in Geonosis included in your figures?

 

The AOTC comic said a hundred Jedi were at Geonosis. But then again, it also had Quinlin Vos there too. It's only a comic, and I'd consider it a draft. Good, but not 100% accurate.

Besides, "200 Jedi at Geonosis" doesn't have to mean they were all in the arena.

A portion of them would have been in space, outisde the arena helping to set up the base of operations. 20 Jedi may have been left, according to the book, but it was a book that lacked a lot of info and details due to the constraints it was penned under.

 

There were 20k Sith on Ruusan- and they are said to have been numerically superior to the Jedi to begin with.

 

20k Sith? How many Jedi were there, then?

 

Wasn't it established that Quinlan got drawn away from the main arena "action" and confronted various and sundry other problems "off-camera" once the shenanigans started?