Are PT fans favored over OT fans?

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Garrett Atkins, May 25, 2013.

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  1. Rachel_In_Red Jedi Grand Master

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    Don't worry. I am in the process of perfecting a torture device for people with PT > OT opinions.
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  2. Valairy Scot Force Ghost

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    Back to the point, I don't recall EVER seeing any poster state "so and so {you} are wrong for liking the OT." And if that is ever said, it should be called to account for directing a post at a poster. SAME for OT fans stating PT fans are lacking in taste (and I HAVE seen that implied quite a few times).

    I don't think folks should be banned - and probably at worst cautioned - if they post "not 'everyone' agrees with your 'everyone knows.' Hater, gusher, or anything in between.

    If someone with any viewpoint repeatedly states their opinion (even if so frequently within a thread it seems like spamming), those of differing opinions are equally free to counter, (equally as frequently). Mods are free to caution both sides if this becomes excessive (drowns out all other posts, perhaps).

    Mods should watch for and caution on baiting, flaming, or insulting whether it be explicit or strongly implied, but never for the content of the opinion only the expression of said opinion.

    Freedom of expression is allowed free expression - but not towards real life folks (no more "GL is a hack and raped my childhood" or "the sooner GL dies, the better for Star Wars) and not towards other posters.

    In short, negativity of opinions is solicited and encouraged. Those who wish to discuss (both positives and negatives but in a non-"hostile" manner) need to set up fan clubs.
    Last edited by Valairy Scot, Jun 5, 2013
  3. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    Are PT fans given more leeway when making personal attacks?
  4. Jedi_Lover Force Ghost

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  5. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    I'm going to have to follow him around the PT and Saga threads now and inform everybody after his posts that its the exact opposite :(
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  6. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    The last time I was banned, it was for calling out someone who said "George Lucus the Hutt should be strangled".
    It was in a OT forum. I was banned, had my post edited. (and the Mod didn't even have the decency to tell why I was banned or for how long, even though I requested info several times in the banned section) He was not banned, and his post is still there.

    So as to the original question - NO they are NOT. Its the other way around!!
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  7. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    LOL, no.
  8. Jedi_Lover Force Ghost

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    @Jarren_Lee-Saber. This is pure curiosity on my part, but how exactly did you call out that person who said such a disrespectful comment about Mr. Lucas?
    Last edited by Jedi_Lover, Jun 5, 2013
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  9. harpua Chosen One

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    I'm just going to take this opportunity to say that I liked ROTS, minus the Padme scenes, but TPM and AOTC were both truly awful, in my opinion.
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  10. EHT New Films Manager

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    No.
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  11. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    Questioned the validity of the opinions & mental stability of someone who advocates the murder of a human over a film he didn't like.
    And yes, it was directly insulting to the person, and it deserved a delete of the comment and even a short ban (wasn't short BTW). But the fact that the other person didn't get so much as a mod edit is where I have the big issue.
    I mean, he just said we should MURDER a HUMAN over a MOVIE!!!
  12. Jedi_Lover Force Ghost

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    Okay, that makes a little more sense. At first I thought you got banned for saying something like:

    ;)
    I do believe the other person's comment should have been edited and a warning given. You are right about that.
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  13. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I'm surprised that comment wasn't edited unless it was several years ago when celeb-bashing was allowed here.

    But I'm not sure of the point of your response either. And I have seen many, many unedited posts "questioning the validity of the opinions" of so-called "negative" posters, as well as questioning their motives if not their mental state, and ordering them to leave the site, with no edits or bans.
  14. Valairy Scot Force Ghost

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    That comment quoted above was pretty darn recent - I read it and was appalled/not surprised at all - to see the comment phrased as it was. Quite frankly, although one can surely assume on a SW board such comments are in exaggerated jest, they are still way out of line and the advocacy of death to real life people - in jest or not - should be IMHO edited. I have seen numerous insults directed at GL that pass without comment/edit/ban although it has been stated above in this thread that such comments should not be directed at other posters or real life people.
    Last edited by Valairy Scot, Jun 6, 2013
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  15. Grimby Technical Consultant

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    That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
    I can understand you being upset and all, even if by your own admission you flamed the other user and deserved to be edited. But if you don't mind me asking, why didn't you contact the mod who edited you (or even a different mod) via PM to inquire about what happened?
  16. Grimby Technical Consultant

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    Since this issue was brought up here in public by the user, I'm just going to quote the entire post here so that we're all on the same page. I can definitely see how you might object to the abbreviated version of the post mentioned by Jarren. I have a slightly different opinion of this post, though - I don't actually believe this person is advocating the death of George Lucas because of the PT, but your mileage may vary...
    So you might see how that post was left untouched while Jarren's response, which was self-described as "directly insulting to the person, and it deserved a delete of the comment and even a short ban" was edited.

    My point here is that while many of you might get the impression that mods favor one group of fans over the other based on incidents like this, mods for the most part are just taking action against those who cross the line and break the forum rules. There is absolutely no bias in this particular case. One user posted their opinion and actually phrased it in such a way to not offend anyone, but it obviously still ruffled someone's feathers.

    And again, if you do ever feel like you're being singled out or feel like a mod didn't handle something the right way, there's nothing preventing you from contacting that mod privately, contacting a different mod to discuss the incident, or if all else fails, contacting an admin. Posting your personal disdain for the boards and throwing around generalizations doesn't really help much. ;)
  17. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    cause the way the system works, when you're banned - you are just banned an its all blank. All you can do is ask who & why in the banned forum. I got replies from other mod's who told me that the mod who did it would have to explain, but the one who banned me never said anything. And by the time my ban was over I had ZERO intention of making a fuss and risking another ban so I just left it at that.
  18. Grimby Technical Consultant

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    You will never be banned for simply asking for an explanation about why you were banned. Moderators are obligated to give you an official reason. If they fail to do that, that's a failure on our part and it should be addressed by the banning mod via PM, or by an admin if you cannot get an answer from them.
  19. JEDI-RISING Force Ghost

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    I see a lot more PT hate here than OT hate.
  20. Jarren_Lee-Saber Force Ghost

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    Its not a huge problem. The ban was over, I accepted it, and I moved on.
    I would never have even brought this up if this thread didn't exist.
  21. Garrett Atkins Jedi Grand Master

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    Yeah, but that's not the question.
  22. Asajj_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    True, but that could be part of the answer. If you have more OT fans bashing the PT than PT fans bashing the OT then it comes down to statistics.


    If you have 100 OT loving PT bashers to every 10 PT loving OT bashers then one could expect to see a higher percentage of OT fans being banned. To the casual observer it may look like the PT fans are favored, when statistically that may not be the case.

    And I am not saying this is a fact. I am just saying if there are more OT fans bashing then it would make sense they would be censured more often and then it might look like the PT fans are favored. This is just a wild guess...complete conjecture on my part and in no way should be perceived as fact.

    There is no way to answer your question since there are so many factors involved.
    Last edited by Asajj_Kenobi, Jun 8, 2013
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  23. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    Posters won't be and shouldn't be censored for bashing the PT or OT, if they really dislike it they are allowed to voice their opinions (I personally prefer it if they gave a more rounded argument than just "it sucks", but that's just me).

    The issue is of posters directly insulting each other (in this case due to like or dislike of the PT or OT), not of them bashing a particular set of movies. You can bash anything all you want, so long as you are civil to other people while you are doing it.
    Last edited by SithLordDarthRichie, Jun 9, 2013
  24. Jedi_Lover Force Ghost

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    Is this a new policy? Because a friend of mine was edited, warned by a mod and threatened with a ban about six years ago for saying disparaging remarks about the EU character Callista Ming. There was no bashing of Callista fans, but the moderator said bashing the character could be seen as an insult to her fans and that could be considered baiting.
  25. A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Riot Deterrent

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    That could have been a thread or forum specific incident. Some discussions are not open to being derailed with debates about topics that have little to do with the particular thread. We are constantly fighting to keep EU discussion confined to the EU thread in Episode VII.
    Last edited by A Chorus of Disapproval, Jun 9, 2013
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