ST Are the stromtroopers in TFA actually clones? In Finn a defect clone?

We know Kylo and Hux were talking about using clone armies instead of stormtroopers in the film, but what if they're actually clones afterall?

That would explain why Finn is different from the others. He is a defect clone.

 

There not clones anymore, Finn was taken from his family as a child

 

Where did you read this information? I've got the Visual Dictionary for TFA, I can't find this information anywhere. The only thing it says is that he's served the First Order for 23 years (since birth).

 

It was mentioned in the movie.

 

Found it. Anyway, maybe that's just what he's led to believe? He couldn't possibly remember anything of it anyway, so perhaps it's all just a big lie?

 

Hux and Ren wouldn't be arguing about a clone army vs. conscript if it were.

 

Finn and his comrades are child soldiers abducted at an early age and conditioned to serve the FO. Whether their conditioning includes being subjected to some form of mind control or not I'm not sure. They also don't make it clear whether defection is a common thing or if Finn's defection is something of a one-off. If Finn is one of many defectors I can see why clone troopers might be favoured. If he's the first or one of only a handful than that's pretty impressive when you consider how large the FO's army of stormtroopers likely is.

 

This post has racist overtones. Should be fun.

 

Kylo says in the film that if Hux cant control his stormtroopers they will create a clone army. Hux says that wont be necessary

 

It will be explained in Ep8

 

How so? You're the first to directly or indirectly bring up race.

 

I doubt it. What would be the point of suggesting a clone army if they already had one? Finn would have seen other stormtroopers and noticed they looked exactly like him if that was the case. How could he not know? Do the eat sleep and go to the bathroom all without ever taking off their armor? And another thing: even in the opening scene, those stormtroopers in the landing craft have several variations in height, meaning they are not clones of one another, just like with the OT stormtroopers. Clones are probably pretty old news by this point in the timeline. Don't forget, they have shorter lifespans than regular people as well so it really only makes sense they would phase them out for regular people once the Clone Wars came to a close.

 

I was just thinking, because it seems pretty illogical for only ONE stromtrooper to question authority.

Indeed he is. Ignore the troll.

 

It's hard to tell if Finn is the only one that questioned authority or failed to act. They do have a "reconditioning program", according to Phasma. How many are sent there and with what frequency, who knows. It sounds like either torture or a death sentence to me, based on Finn's reaction to being told to report there.

 

Finn has seen his squadmates without their helmets in Before the Awakening, they're described with different looks than Finn.

 

Yeah, it's almost like something Awakened.

 

That's too bad. A clone army would've made so much more sense. It would have explained why the First Order managed to build up an army in secret without the New Republic noticing. Now, the story has so many holes.

 

It's not unreasonable to think that Empire remnants still have complete control over thousands of systems. That's a lot of children available at their disposal. I don't believe that to be a hole.

 

The First Order wouldn't have protocols and reconditioning programs if a trooper didn't occasionally get out of line, nor would they discuss the merits of clones vs. conscripts in the movie. We have no reason to distrust the idea that the troopers were taken and trained from birth. It sounds to me like you would prefer a clone army and will make points to justify to yourself that it's possible that they're clones. That is some of the clearest exposition the movie gave us. That they aren't clones.
Don't get me wrong, I kind of wish they were clones too.

 

If you accept the fact that the galaxy is very large (because it is), it's not hard to believe the First Order could be built up.

The Nazis built a giant army and no one on their whole planet seemed to care for the longest time. Think maybe the Republic was analogous to the Allies pre WWII?

 

Clones were gone by ANH. People were enlisting, when Luke and Owen get into a fight over when Luke can leave for the academy, that's the imperial academy.

 

That's my head canon too. But if you watch the deleted scenes of ANH with Luke and Biggs, it is really confusing what acedemy they are talking about. It certainly isn't the Imperial academy, because they are both afraid of being drafted! I think it was like Star Wars Pilot Phoenix University or DeVry.

 

Finn was more rebellious because he worked a quieter janitorial job and probably didn't quite as much constant military discipline being alone in and in a place where he could chat with the lower ranks of the FO.

 

Nah, he worked sanitation detail on Starkiller but he was regular infantry.

 

Got the impression he was transferred.