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ST Are they going a little too hard in on the "hope" theme?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by SG-17, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. SG-17

    SG-17 Jedi Knight star 1

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    It seems between TFA, RO, and TLJ they've turned "hope" into a meme. I can't help but notice every time the word is said, its emphasized every time. Am I just paying too much attention to this or does anyone else notice it?

    Also, as far I as I can remember (correct me if I am wrong) the only times the word "hope" is used in the OT is in Leia's message to Obi-Wan and when Luke tells Vader that there is still hope for him.
     
  2. ss640

    ss640 Jedi Knight star 1

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    haha yes! they keep mentioning 'hope this' 'hope that' 'hope hope hope' like at first I thought it was just shout outs to Leia's character which i thought was fine but now they're seriously over doing it
     
  3. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    Don't forget the iconic scene of ESB in which Yoda talks with Obi-One, right after Luke leaves ;)

    Anyway, I agree.
     
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  4. WatTamborWoo

    WatTamborWoo Jedi Master star 3

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    They went a little too hard in lots of areas of TLJ - pushing lots of things down peoples throats without letting the audience think for themselves. It's what made TLJ boring - another scene, more preachiness.
     
  5. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes. So much yes.

    I roll my eyes every time the word "hope" is used.
     
  6. Dr_Cthulhu

    Dr_Cthulhu Jedi Master star 2

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    According to this video, the word hope is mentioned 11 times in Star Wars:

     
  7. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    I don’t remember hearing it in TFA and in RO, I liked its use as the central theme.
    Because of RO, though, it got weird hearing so much talk about it in TLJ too.
     
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  8. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    In RO I think it's the exact last word pronounced. Earlier in the movie, the protagonist says "the Rebellion is based on hope" while they're discussing tactics. So at least twice, I think.
     
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  9. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    One of my big takeaways from this movie are that the Jedi = Hope.

    Which would very much justify the movies hammering it home, imo.
     
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  10. Ren Kylo

    Ren Kylo Jedi Knight star 2

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    i don't have a problem with it at all, it makes sense that they would be pushing it. things suck, and hope is all they have!
     
  11. WatTamborWoo

    WatTamborWoo Jedi Master star 3

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    Apparently BB8 says "I have a bad feeling about this" (either true or a retcon)
    Hmmm......Perhaps the Porgs are squealing "Hope" whenever they "cutify" a scene.
     
  12. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Well with 3 movies in 2 years now we probably would. If there were 3 years between each one we probably wouldn't as much.
     
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  13. B99

    B99 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, heard enough of (Hope) honestly...
     
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  14. obi-arin-kenobi

    obi-arin-kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Every death has been self sacrifice, too. When Finn was flying towards the battering ram I was thinking "nah seriously?"
     
  15. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Every death has been self sacrifice?
     
  16. obi-arin-kenobi

    obi-arin-kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TFA

    -Lor San Tekka
    -Han Solo

    ROGUE ONE

    -every main character in the film including k2so

    TLJ

    -Roses sister
    -Holdo
    -Luke skywalker
    ... Almost finn

    ... May have missed some.
     
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  17. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the actual list is Chirrut, Holdo, and almost Finn. Either that or we have vastly different understandings of what the word sacrifice means.
     
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  18. Ruffmeian

    Ruffmeian Jedi Master star 3

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    Why do you not include Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor on this list?
     
  19. obi-arin-kenobi

    obi-arin-kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Going into a situation knowing it could be the end, with the cinematic building up that point.

    Disney does this on overkill.
     
  20. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't think they anticipated being vaporized by the Death Star.
     
  21. Ruffmeian

    Ruffmeian Jedi Master star 3

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    Ah, okay, I was just clarifying!

    Don't they get voted against when the Rebel leadership meet up? They all want to flee. So they decide to go without permission and try to stop it anyways? They willingly accepted the risk even though it wasn't directly specified. Plenty of soldiers die in war, and I don't imagine they expect that outcome, but I'd still say they made sacrifices. I guess it just depends on your definition/outlook.
     
  22. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm looking at self-sacrifice as doing something for the betterment of the whole that will ABSOLUTELY result in death. The RO crew knew their mission was risky, but I don't think any of them planned on dying. Chirrut walks directly into the line of fire of his own accord. The rest of them died via more natural means.
     
  23. Ruffmeian

    Ruffmeian Jedi Master star 3

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  24. Lady Rey

    Lady Rey Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Well except for ROTJ, not one SW movie left me feeling any kind of hope.
     
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  25. jaqen

    jaqen Chosen One star 5

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    ANH
    LEIA:
    Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.
    LEIA: Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.
    LUKE: Well, come on. It's getting late. I only hope we can get back before Uncle Owen really blows up.
    HAN: And hope they don't have blasters.
    HAN: Seems okay, if we can get to it. Just hope the old man got the tractor beam out of commission.
    HAN: I hope the old man got that tractor beam out if commission, or this is going to be a real short trip. Okay, hit it!
    LEIA: The technical readouts of that battle station. I only hope that when the data is analyzed, a weakness can be found. It's not over yet! LEIA: We don't have time for our sorrows, Commander. The battle station has surely tracked us here. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape. You must use the information in this R2 unit to plan the attack. It is our only hope.

    TESB
    THREEPIO:
    Mistress Leia, Artoo says he's been quite unable to pick up
    any signals, although he does admit that his own range is far too
    weak to abandon all hope.
    THREEPIO
    : Your Highness, we must take this last transport. It's our
    only hope.
    HAN:
    Come on! Come on! Switch over. Let's hope we don't have a
    burnout.
    LEIA: Someday you're going to be wrong, and I hope I'm there to see it.
    LEIA: I hope you know what you're doing.
    BEN: That boy is our last hope.

    ROTJ
    VADER:
    I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.
    THREEPIO: Victims of the almighty Sarlacc: His Excellency hopes that you will die honorably. But should any of you wish to beg for mercy, the great Jabba the Hutt will now listen to your pleas.
    BEN: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.
    HAN (gravely) I hope she's alright.
    LUKE: There's more. It won't be easy for you to hear it, but you must. If I don't make it back, you're the only hope for the Alliance.

    Meanwhile...


    TFA
    REY
    : We're about to get some! I hope.
    REY You have to keep going, stay out of sight, I'll try to fight 'em off. I hope so, too.

    TLJ
    SNOKE:
    And as long as it does, hope lives in the galaxy. I thought you would be the one to snuff it out.
    LEIA: Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.
    REY: Leia sent me here with hope. If she was wrong, she deserves to know why.
    HOLDO: In every corner of the galaxy, the downtrodden and oppressed know our symbol, and they put their hope in it.
    REY: Then he's our last hope.
    REY: Four parsecs to go. This thing really cooks. I just hope we're in time.
    POE: Tell us that we have a plan! That there's hope!
    HOLDO: When I served under Leia, she would say, hope is like the sun. If you only believe in it when you can see it...
    HOLDO: I hope you understand what you're doing.
    Let's hope this works.
    SNOKE: And still that fiery spit of hope. You have the spirit of a true Jedi!
    LEIA: We fought till the end. But the galaxy has lost all its hope.
    LEIA: I held out hope for so long, but I know my son is gone.
     
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