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Are you upset that Anakin didn't fall in lava?

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by brook_33, Jan 6, 2006.

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  1. brook_33

    brook_33 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Until the final months before ROTS was released in theaters the rumor was that Anakin fell into lava, thus suffering the grievous injuries led him to donning the Darth Vader suit. While many Star Wars fans, including myself, liked this idea, having known it for some time, many fans did not like the idea. They claimed it wasn't realistic, to which I'd point out how realistic is Star Wars anyway?

    But I digress, the question that stands is whether or not you were satisfied with Lucas' decision. Did you like seeing Anakin's stub of a leg catch flame and ignite his entire body? Would you have rather seen his fall into a melting pit within the factory, and some fans speculated? Or were you disappointed that Anakin did not simply fall in lava like we'd been led to believe for years?
     
  2. Darth_Infernous

    Darth_Infernous Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I preferred in the movie when Anakin's leg caught fire rather to have seen him actually fall in lava, after all who falls in lava and survives?
    It would have really hard to justify and anyway the scene where you see Anakin burning was so heartbreaking especially the fact Obi-Wan stood and watched.
     
  3. TuskenFan

    TuskenFan Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Nope, I think they did it perfectly. Falling into the lava does not work, just ask Gollum...
     
  4. yoshifett

    yoshifett Jedi Knight star 5

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    No, Anakin falling in the lava would have been too much like T2. Plus, as much as I can suspend disbelief in SW, the way it was done makes it seem slighly more plausible than seeing Anakin submerged in lava.
     
  5. RolandofGilead

    RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No one ever said he fell into lava, not ever. Had he done so he would have burned up instantly, unlike the cartoony end to Gollum. The comments were always that he fell into a volcano or a molten pit. In truth, he fell beside a lake of fire and was consumed. It was a shock that Lucas showed as much as he did and it's gutwrenching even now to think of it. Anything more would have pushed RotS too far into unreality.
     
  6. yoshifett

    yoshifett Jedi Knight star 5

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    I was actually thinking of Gollum in my last post. I didn't say anything, but I think that even a die-hard LOTR fan would admit that it's much more difficult to watch Anakin burning alive than it is to watch Gollum gobbled up in glop. That scene is painful to watch, especially because of Obi-Wan reaction. Ewan shines in that scene.
     
  7. Obi-Wan-1000

    Obi-Wan-1000 Jedi Master star 4

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    When I first saw those old burned Anakin burned pictures People always said that he fell in the lava so I always thought he fell in the lava but when
    I saw the movie I was suprised that he got burned by just cathing on fire from his leg.
     
  8. RolandofGilead

    RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm not trying to bash RotK at all, but Gollum dribbled slowly down into the Lava (presumably his entire body burning to cinders) with no reaction and no evidence of trauma whatsoever. It was like watching Daffy Duck get blasted by Elmer Fudd. No pain, no reaction, no impact.

    Anakin burned alive and we watched his skin blacken and crack. After seeing that for the first time, and then a week later seeing a single shot of innocent Jake Lloyd from PM, it broke my heart. It had an effect. We felt for the character even after everything he had done.
     
  9. brook_33

    brook_33 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If Anakin had gone out like Gollum, who's to say that whatever part of him wasn't under the lava couldn't catch flame?
     
  10. RebelScum77

    RebelScum77 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Absolutely. It really couldn't have been done any better. I remember hearing the rumors about him falling into the lava, and I didn't like that because it really didn't make logical sense. So I was surprised when I first saw the film. But it was brilliant, I'm glad George has the guts to do it.... both showing that level of injury, and also making us feel pity for Anakin despite his actions. Hayden and Ewan were amazing, it turned out to be one of the best scenes in the movie, which is exactly what it should have been.
     
  11. thechozn1

    thechozn1 Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't care how much hate you have, you're not going to survive dropping into lava. I can believe it since it's SW as is, but complete consumption by the fire would have been a bit much.
     
  12. Ani_Lover

    Ani_Lover Jedi Master star 4

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    I think the scene was done perfectly. It was absolutely heart breaking to see Obi-wan standing there having to watch Anakin burn. Plus the dialogue between the two was so sad. To me it is one of the very best scenes out of any Star Wars movie.
     
  13. JMN77

    JMN77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    "When I saw what became of him, I tried to dissuade him, to draw him
    back from the dark side. We fought... your father fell into a molten pit.
    When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been
    burned into him forever...."
    - Ben Kenobi to Luke Skywalker, ROTJ novel. 1983.

    Close enough.


    Oh, and I like the film version just as it is.
     
  14. SBD-518

    SBD-518 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I always pictured Obi-wan and Anakin, fighting on a thin bridge. They fought with great might, red blade on blue, back and forth across the bridge. This bridge went across a pit of molten lava, the pit much like that in TPM or ROTJ. Then, despite Anakin's stronger, upper-hand, Obi-wan manages to chop off Darth Vader's leg and so he fell into the pit, to his "doom".

    I guess i was wrong.
     
  15. wcleere

    wcleere Jedi Master star 3

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    i never imagined him actually swimming around in lava. I just don't see how that would have worked.
     
  16. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I was worried about how it would be, with the rumors of Anakin falling into Lava and surviving. I thought it would be a shot of him falling into Lava with the next shot of him in the Vader suit already. Sort of a "Uhhhhh, how do we explain this.....let's just not." Sometime last March or something someone suggested he was hanging ABOVE a pit with the steam being scalding hot.....his flesh melting away but able to hang on with his metal hand. That gave me some hope that a reasonable idea could be portrayed on screen. The scene that ended up in the film was great. It allowed for a dramatic scene AND Vader to oh, I don't know....have ANY kind of body. Very well done and very happy that Anakin did NOT fall in lava.

    Carnage
     
  17. uwishuwereme

    uwishuwereme Jedi Youngling star 3

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    If he would have fallen in the lava that would have been weird and unrealistic,he would have to swim out of the lava, or wait and just boil till Palps arrived it wold be hard to believe he fell in lava for a couple of minutes and lived.
     
  18. TheCRZA

    TheCRZA Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Nah... too Lord of the Ringy.
    Gollum already did it.
    And I don't think he'd survive that.
     
  19. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And that's why Lucas changed it from his original writing. He came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work falling in. It had to be done a different way. This way, it's much more dramatic and gets the point across.
     
  20. TheCRZA

    TheCRZA Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I dunno, I don't see ROTS movie as such a change from
    the novelisations of the OT when it says Vader
    burned in lava.
    I mean,
    the lava is what burned him.
    Just because he wasn't doing swan lake
    in molten lava, doesn't mean that much of a change.

    Unless Sin, you have some arcane quote where GL
    mentions he changed it explicitly, etc etc.

    I think it's simply a matter of interpretation
    of burned in lava...

    In short, I was pleased with the way it was presented
    and feel like the continuity was maintained.
     
  21. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I would've prefer to have the lava splash on top of Anakin, not like the giant wave that took down the platform which Anakin and Obi-wan were fighting on, but like a bucket-sized wave because I didn't like how he just caught fire without even touching the lava.
     
  22. HL&S

    HL&S Magistrate Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Nope. Because when you fall into lava, YOU DIE. ;)

    I preferred how it went down on film. Seeing Anakin ignite and just start burning alive was great. I didn't think George had it in him to put something like that in a Star Wars film. True horror.
     
  23. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I said I wanted the lava to splash on top of Anakin, not to have Anakin fall into the lava.
     
  24. voodoopuuduu

    voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    RolandofGilead posted:
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    No one ever said he fell into lava, not ever.
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    "When I saw what became of him, I tried to dissuade him, to draw him
    back from the dark side. We fought... your father fell into a molten pit.
    When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been
    burned into him forever...." - Ben Kenobi to Luke Skywalker, ROTJ novel. 1983.

    Close enough.


    Oh, and I like the film version just as it is.


    Parts of him did fall into a molten pit, so its true from a certain point of view. :D The film version is the way it should be.
     
  25. JMN77

    JMN77 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Exactly!
     
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