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Clone Wars Aren't Jedi supposed to be able to read minds? (Season Finale)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Sitara, Mar 2, 2013.

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  1. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Master star 3

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    Or ROTJ.

    Furthermore, Ashoka would NOT resist, because she is not guilt.

    This is not a rage thread against the episode, we have the main episode thread for that. It is just that this point is really, really annoying. It is like they either forgot completely that Force Users can read minds, or they make or break the 'rules' of the 'setting' at a whim.
     
  2. Skaddix

    Skaddix Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I thought it was obvious they make and break rules at a whim. Well not really a whim more to fit the plot.
     
  3. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, it seems a lot of us don't believe the Jedi can actually read minds - at least, not all the Jedi, all the time, with just anyone. There's worse things to worry about in the episode, at least IMHO.
     
  4. Skaddix

    Skaddix Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Indeed there were.
     
  5. johnrain39

    johnrain39 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Why no "Jedi Mind Meld"?
     
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  6. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    Obviously they can to some extent. See their first encounter with Anakin in TPM. Thoughts dwelling on his mother, etc. But that is Anakin's first encounter with the Jedi while he's still a child. There have been dozens of times in the movies and show where the Jedi could have solved their problems if they could just read any mind at any time to any extent. Obi-Wan's investigation in Episode II would have taken minutes. In spite of what Yoda might have indicated in TESB, Jedi powers have their limits and mind reading is no exception.
     
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  7. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Master star 5

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    Interesting debate, fair points on both sides, but ultimately moot. The Jedi Council makes the decision to kick Ahsoka out of the Jedi Order for politically expedient reasons. By their stated logic, they can't even have their own trial in the Jedi tradition because of how bad it will make them look. With that foundation laid, the idea of not just unilaterally exonerating her but doing so based solely on the fact that they read her mind is out of the question. There's nothing that would make the Jedi look more self-serving than that and alienate people who are suspicious of them even more. That's their stated main concern.

    This is the rotting from the inside out GL talked about in the original prologue to the Star Wars novelizaion in 1976.
     
  8. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Master star 3

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    No one said Jedi can read any mind at any time to any extent. They have been shown to brush surface thoughts at the very least. So, if you have a WILLING padawan like Ashoka who doesn't mentally resist, I am pretty sure it will be easy to determine if she is lying or not because quite frankly she will be only thinking about this trial and the bombing and how she is being framed whether she wants to or not.

    Furthermore, there have been plenty of times in the movies when the Jedi could have solved their problems using the Force, but choose to either use a Lightsaber or fight unarmed. Bad writing, or more 'cinematic' writing does not mean the rules of the 'universe' suddenly stop working.
     
  9. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    There ARE no consistent rules in the GFFA as we have seen time and again.
     
  10. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Some Jedi are better at mins reading than others.
     
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