Argh. Sex in Star Wars just does not work

In Vector Prime...
Jacen: Here we are, all naked. So... ummmm...
Danni: Grow up, kid. I'm going to now ignore you for the next 12 novels.
12 novels later...
Jacen: Here we are, all naked. So... ummm...
Danni: Ewwwww... Get away from me you hairless freak.

Best. Post. Ever. Today!

Uhh, that adds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to any sort of rational discussion, so I'd ask that you either post something relevant or refrain from it... k?

Holy smokes, man, lighten up for crying out loud. If you get any more stiff, they're going to bury you.

 

I would just like to add that the last line of Genghis12's statement should have been:

Danni: Ewwwww... Get away from me, you bearded freak.

Gandolf, please tell me you looked up the page numbers . And I agree with all of your points. Luke has played his part and more in the war, from fighting it to trying to help people fighting it and so on.

 

Holy smokes, man, lighten up for crying out loud. If you get any more stiff, they're going to bury you.

Stiff you say?

OWLC

 

star wars not star porn.

 

Star Porn, not Star Wars!

What, you never heard that old "Make love, not war"?

 

>>A few examples come to mind of Luke showing caring for his students, and/or acting humble.<<



Well this is totally OT, but Luke let Anakin and Tahiri rescue the whole academy. All the wee ones. Luke didn't lift a finger to help his kids. He just has no excuse. Where was he? Holding Mara's hand. Granted she was dying, but his students should matter more. As in: NJO. What new order would there be with no padawans?

 

IIRC, Luke had already sent Talon Kardde and whoever to evacuate the academy.

 

Gee, you know, Luke can't be in two places at once!

Mara was sick, she was giving birth, it was their first child...I can't seem as selfish for wanting to be there.

Leia was royally pissed at Han for not being there the day the twins came to live with them after being with Winter for so long. (OF course, Han had a good excuse!)

I mean, there's only so much one can do.

 

Stiff you say?

I can't believe you just said that. . .

::smacks forehead::

OWLC, you're too much, even for all of us to handle.

Jae Angel

ED: And I thought Mara gave birth in Rebirth. The rescue of the jedi children happened in Conquest. . .

 

Well this is totally OT, but Luke let Anakin and Tahiri rescue the whole academy. All the wee ones. Luke didn't lift a finger to help his kids. He just has no excuse. Where was he? Holding Mara's hand. Granted she was dying, but his students should matter more. As in: NJO. What new order would there be with no padawans?

Actually Luke didn't let Anakin do anything. Luke specifically told Anakin not to go off and do anything rash. Now once he found out Anakin ran off Luke did what he could without also ruining the little support he still had in the senate. The man sent for Karrde before everything and then still found a way to find Booster also. Yes it was by sending off Jacen and Jaina, but Luke worked with what he could.

As for you BBKF, I am sure you could handle me if you wished to.

OWLC

 

-Uhh, that adds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to any sort of rational discussion, so I'd ask that you either post something relevant or refrain from it... k? -

I beg to differ. I am saying do not read those scenes if it bothers you! I mean think some people like those scenes in the star wars books. Goodness. It`s not graphic nor is there much of it. Just don`t read it.

 

I beg to differ. I am saying do not read those scenes if it bothers you! I mean think some people like those scenes in the star wars books. Goodness. It`s not graphic nor is there much of it. Just don`t read it.

Discuss the OPINION, not the person. Don't give advice on how to behave and MOST OF ALL don't come to a Star Wars Literature Discussion Forum and tell people not to read the books.

Star Wars has always been presented a certain way -- now it seems to be changing. People are understandably upset with this. Discuss the underlying reasons or why change is good or any number of OTHER things rather than applying your lone opinion as a "way of life" for other people.

 

-Discuss the OPINION, not the person. Don't give advice on how to behave and MOST OF ALL don't come to a Star Wars Literature Discussion Forum and tell people not to read the books.-

I am not telling you not to read the books. Just not those scenes. And please address me in a more civilized manner.

 

Should they, by chance, print the pages with those scenes with a red "A" in the corner so people know when to stop and start reading?

How are people to know where one scene is without actually reading it and seeing things?

The point also is that people are arguing that these things shouldn't be in the books at all, let alone them having to skip over it...

 

-Should they, by chance, print the pages with those scenes with a red "A" in the corner so people know when to stop and start reading? -

Just out of pure curiousity, why an A.

-How are people to know where one scene is without actually reading it and seeing things? -

When they begin to see it, skip a few pages.

-The point also is that people are arguing that these things shouldn't be in the books at all, let alone them having to skip over it... -



And I am offering a compromise.


Simple really. It is my opinion that these are adult books thus it is ok to have adult material.There really is nothing wrong with these scenes.

 

Simple really. It is my opinion that these are adult books thus it is ok to have adult material.There really is nothing wrong with these scenes.

See, now we're getting somewhere! Okay, so now that I understand your position here's a question:

Why is it okay for an adult Star Wars movie not not have anything close to these scenes, but it IS okay for the books to have them if that's what the creator (Lucas) was specifically trying to avoid in the movies (e.g. absolute canon)?

Side note: The "A" was for The Scarlet Letter, where a scarlet "A" would be forced to be worn by an adulterous woman...

 

-Should they, by chance, print the pages with those scenes with a red "A" in the corner so people know when to stop and start reading? -

Just out of pure curiousity, why an A.

I believe it's a reference to "The Scarlet Letter"

Damn, beat me to it

 

-Why is it okay for an adult Star Wars movie not not have anything close to these scenes, but it IS okay for the books to have them if that's what the creator (Lucas) was specifically trying to avoid in the movies (e.g. absolute canon)? -


I see wehat you are saying. But if a kid sees that a movie is called star wars they will want o see it. But if they saw a book called Star Wars most would care less. Plus I think the EU is trying to show that Star Wars isn`t just for people who want to see just pure action. Plus as I said some people enjoy sex scenes. I could go either way.

 

Why is it okay for an adult Star Wars movie not not have anything close to these scenes, but it IS okay for the books to have them if that's what the creator (Lucas) was specifically trying to avoid in the movies (e.g. absolute canon)?

One thing you're forgetting - Lucas still has a hand in the EU. He approves all major storylines and plot developments, and can veto anything he wants. NJO has been around since 1999, so I'm sure GL knows that they are aimed at a more mature audience than, say, the GoDV books. Yet they are still in print, and are becoming more mature by the book, so he obviously doesn't have a problem with anything.

 

I see wehat you are saying. But if a kid sees that a movie is called star wars they will want o see it. But if they saw a book called Star Wars most would care less. Plus I think the EU is trying to show that Star Wars isn`t just for people who want to see just pure action. Plus as I said some people enjoy sex scenes. I could go either way.


Right, but while you or I may not have a problem with the scenes as depicted in the books, think of the parental angle:

If a parent has seen all five movies with their kids, and thinks its perfectly valid entertainment for their child at that age, shouldn't they have the same expectation by allowing the child to read a SW novel without having to preread it first?

Even if the parent had read the Bantam hardcovers, I think there's only one scene TOTAL (TNR?) in which a memory was racy, rather than an actual scene. So should they be penalized for later devolution of racier (no matter how slight they may seem in comparison to other series) or should they be able to have the same expectations?

EDIT: One thing you're forgetting - Lucas still has a hand in the EU. He approves all major storylines and plot developments, and can veto anything he wants. NJO has been around since 1999, so I'm sure GL knows that they are aimed at a more mature audience than, say, the GoDV books. Yet they are still in print, and are becoming more mature by the book, so he obviously doesn't have a problem with anything.

Right -- MAJOR plot developments. He doesn't monitor each and every story, and I can estimate with 99.44% certainty that he hasn't seen anything beyond the "initial sketchy outline" that Shapiro said she showed him for approval since, well, he's been kinda busy with those darn movie things! I'd be very surprised if he knew the majority of individual plot elements of hte NJO.

 

-If a parent has seen all five movies with their kids, and thinks its perfectly valid entertainment for their child at that age, shouldn't they have the same expectation by allowing the child to read a SW novel without having to preread it first? -




the fact that the books are in an adult section should show somewhat of a warning.

 

"Adult section" != ADULT section. We're not talking Harlequin Romances here.

PG is an adult movie. PG-13 is an adult movie. R is an adult movie. NC-17 is an adult movie. Heck, even G is an adult movie (see: Planet of the Apes or Remember the Titans).

There is a wide variety of "adult" things out there that are accessible to people of all (well, most) ages. Being "for adults" does not equate something with being "not for children." Likewise, something "for children" does not equate with "not for adults."

Would you believe that Star Wars is entirely a children's movie?
What about Remember the Titans?

PG is "Parental Guidance is suggested," and I've defined the rating many times here. The question is -- should the books be held to that standard?

 

-Would you believe that Star Wars is entirely a children's movie? -

Nope. That is why the books should no treat it as one.

 

I think the bigger element in this discussion revolves around American society being far more "prudish" than Canadian and European society.

As I said before in this thread, living in Canada, I get to see Canadian, American, and European TV, and I have no doubt that American's are more "prudish" and suffer from more censorship than any of the other coutries I've seen TV from.

 

wild_karrde: I would accept that description from what I've seen in my worldly travels...

sidious618: So, if Star Wars movies are adult and are meticulous in their avoidance of sex and violence, why should the books be different?