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PT Arrest of Palpatine...Legal?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by darthbarracuda, Sep 22, 2013.

  1. Tim Battershell

    Tim Battershell Jedi Master star 5

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    Would the Jedi have had more traction (particularly with the Senate) if they had used the various attempts on Padme's life as the basis for a criminal charge; do you guys think?
     
  2. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    They knew the whole time during Palpatines rise that he was holding too much power over them. They should have stopped and boycotted the war the moment he tried to gain political power over them. But they were wholly duped and figured they would have to stop the Seps (aka the "Sith") threat first and then deal with matters back home.

    Palpatine had nothing directly to do with the attempts on Padme's life. How hard would it be for the most politically (if not physically) powerful man in the galaxy to get off on that charge? Not to mention that while the courts slowly moved through that case, he could still be ordering the execution of all Jedi.
     
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  3. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    They can because plot convenience.
     
  4. Tim Battershell

    Tim Battershell Jedi Master star 5

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    ISTR, the reference said that "to be a Sith was a Crime against the Republic" IIRC.
     
  5. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wouldn't take long to find those things. Hell, the ROTS novelization reveals that both sabers were hidden in the piece of artwork in the antechamber, where Anakin confronted Palpatine. A noticeable hole was left as a result of removing it.

    This isn't about freedom of religion. 1,500 years ago, the Sith took control of the galaxy and ruled it through fear and tyranny. Over the course of the next few hundred years, the Jedi and the Republic forces were able to retake the galaxy until the Sith were nearly wiped out. Because of their actions in the past, they were branded as criminals. One thousand years later, a Sith Lord was implicated in the invasion of Naboo. Ten years later, a second Sith Lord emerged and was revealed as the leader of the opposition threatening the safety of the Republic. Had it gotten out that the Chancellor himself was a Sith Lord, it would have lead to his downfall because there is evidence of his involvement in the Clone Wars. That in fact, he started it.

    They did no such thing. Obi-wan wasn't involved in the conversation that Mace, Yoda and Ki-Adi-Mundi took part in about removing Palpatine from office. Mace and Ki-Adi both talk about doing it, while Yoda warns that this line of thinking is dangerous for the Jedi, because it is far worse than it was a thousand years earlier. It is only with the revelation that Palpatine was Sidious, the missing Sith Lord and master manipulator, does Mace have a leg to stand on. He now has a reason to take control from Palpatine.

    Not really. That was Nute Gunray's own agenda. All the Sith did was allow it to happen. The real crime was everything to do with the Clone Wars.

    You can in the Republic and that's because of their past actions, which they were repeating again. Only this time, instead of taking the galaxy by force, they're manipulating the people into giving it to them willingly out of fear. If you really want to play that game, then the Alliance was wrong from ousting the legally appointed Chancellor turned Emperor, because of his military and religious beliefs.
     
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  6. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    In the RoTS novel, almost immediately after Anakin's explanation that Palpatine is a Sith Lord- we see a momentary holoconference between Mace and Yoda. We don't see what's actually said- but the narration says they are agreed that the Republic's been under the control of a Sith Lord for 12 years, and they've decided to take it back.
     
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  7. Alessandro Sanfilippo

    Alessandro Sanfilippo Jedi Padawan star 1

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    From Another Post


    I took this from Another thread.
     
  8. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer #1 Sabine Wren Fan star 7

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    I will make it legal
     
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  9. Garrett Atkins

    Garrett Atkins Jedi Knight star 4

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    ^Like of the Month
     
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  10. DRush76

    DRush76 Jedi Master star 4

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    Considering that Yoda, Mace and Ki-Adi were seriously considering on taking over the Galactic Senate, I doubt that the Jedi cared whether their attempt to arrest Palpatine was legal or not.
     
  11. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    PalpSidious's association with Count Dooku and the Separatists makes him directly involved with the murder attempts against Padme since he is their leader which means he had everything to do with it. He would've been charged as an accomplice in the attempted murder against Padme, conspiracy to commit murder, aiding and abetting with known fugitives, and sedition. Unfortunately, the Jedi never had the chance to arrest PalpSidious since he still killed all 4 of them singlehandedly while Anakin betrays and helps him commit genocide on the entire Jedi Order.
     
  12. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Being someone's leader doesn't mean you are responsible for all their actions. And since he never exchanged money with the bounty hunters trying to kill her..he was never directly involved. Hell not even Gunray was directly involved. Dooku knew he needed to kill her to win Gunray's allegiance, and he paid Fett to do so. They are the two guilty parties.
     
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  13. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Force Ghost star 7

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    In terms of the law and in public perception, the Jedi were pretty much SOL. Attacking Palpatine was a very, very bad PR move.


    I used my phone. Beware.pf.typos.
     
  14. Tim Battershell

    Tim Battershell Jedi Master star 5

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    Respectfully, I have to disagree. Padme had shown her abilities during the retaking of Naboo, and was also one of Palpatine's main opponents (if not the main opponent) in the Senate with regard to the Military Creation Act - the cornerstone of his plans.

    Would either Dooku or Gunray have dared to do anything against Padme if Palpatine had been against such action? I think not!

    One can incite an Offence without any money changing hands and democratic structures have a chain of responsibility that follows the chain of authority. Remember Harry S Truman's desk notice, "The buck stops here"?
     
  15. Beezer

    Beezer Jedi Master star 4

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    History is written by the winners. So it was bad PR because Palpatine "won" that duel (with Anakin's help) so he got to tell his side of the story to the Senate. If Windu had killed Palpatine, the gears of the PR spin machine would have been grinding in the other direction.
     
  16. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Force Ghost star 7

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    If I were a citizen of the Empire and the Jedi conveniently find out that the heavily investigated, watched, observed, and beloved leader of quadrillions was suddenly killed by the leaders of a paramilitary religious group which was leading the military - I'd be damn suspicious. Especially considering that a former member of the Jedi Council was leading the Rebellion.

    It looks damn suspicious even if the Jedi win.
     
  17. Beezer

    Beezer Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, it would look suspicious. But then when the Jedi, group of people known to preserve peace and justice throughout the galaxy, proved that the aforementioned beloved leader of quadrillions was in fact a Sith Lord who was responsible for the very war they had been fighting, and was manipulating both sides of the equation, then those suspicions would give way to a logical explanation.
     
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  18. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Actually, it does. As their leader, he is responsible for the conduct of those under his command. The same with the Jedi Council being responsible for the actions of Anakin, because they placed him in a situation he was not best equipped to deal with. Much less their other failures. Palpatine knew all about what happened and did nothing to discourage it. In fact, he allowed it because it was necessary to start the Clone Wars.
     
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  19. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Simply put, why would Palpatine care? There was no need for him to be involved.
     
  20. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    There is no hint that Palpatine had anything to do with the assassination plot anywhere in AOTC or ROTS. It is clearly an agreement between Gunray and Dooku. Secondly, no the Council is not responsible for Anakin's actions. He decided Padme's life was more important than everything else in the galaxy, he was a grown man in a position of power who made his own decisions.
     
  21. darthbarracuda

    darthbarracuda Jedi Knight star 3

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    So much for religious freedom...
     
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  22. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Think "terrorist organization" rather than "religious sect" - this was probably the Republic attitude after a few times of Jedi turning Sith and trying to take over the galaxy.
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Maybe- but my guess is, after a few incidents, the Republic treated them as an organization and banned them.
     
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  24. PMT99

    PMT99 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I couldn't have said it better myself.

    Both Gunray and Dooku have conspired with PalpSidious to form a Separatist movement by any means necessary even if it includes killing Padme. As PalpSidious showed us, you don't have to lift a finger or be in another place to be directly involved so yes, PalpSidious had everything to do with the assassination plots in both AOTC and ROTS. Also, It may have been Anakin's choice but the Jedi Council made the mistake of making him Padme's bodyguard in the first place. If they had assigned another Jedi to watch over her, then Anakin wouldn't have formed an attachment to her nor would he have decided that her life was more important than everyone else's.
     
  25. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    In which scene does he order her death? There is only a scene where Gunray/Dooku do so...

    And in which scene do the Jedi say "well we know Anakin is obsessed with Padme, let's put him with her anyway."