Nevermind, this debate began when you made fact-based assertions in the other thread regarding the supposed similarities between ASoIaF and the War of the Roses, and the ensuing predictability of the former. I have shown your claims to be spurious and uninformed. Point by point, character by character, event for event, ASOIaF is wholly dissimilar to the details of tWotR; hits only occur in the broadest, "two-warring-families-vie-for-the-throne" sense. I'll be happy to quote my posts here if my claim is contested. You have so far neglected to address any of my points, but went on to accuse part of the imagery of the novels to be based on Welsh iconography. When I showed this, too, to be entirely invented on your part, and not at all factual or valid, you again ignored my post and switched tactics, with a run of derogatory opinions leveled at the novels. Nevermind, you're certainly entitled to your opinions. So you think Bran is a dumb name based on breakfast cereal. Are you unaware that an ancient Welsh hero-deity, associated with ravens, has that same name? Are you suggesting that the pre-Roman Welsh also coined dumb fantasy names, or does that only happen when GRR Martin attempts it? Even your opinions are ill-informed, and your insults childish. If you don't like the books, fine! Great! It's a shame you can't, or won't, enjoy this remarkable series, though ultimately that's up to you. But if you're going to level fact-based accusations against the books, and attempt to use history to justify your contempt, please be prepared to defend those claims, to back them up with evidence. Upthread I note you've linked Richard of York to Eddard Stark, this well after I demolished that facile association in the other thread. It's as if you never read my rebuttal; or if you did, it's as if you don't care what the facts are, so long as your invective has some facade, no matter how illusory or erroneous, to prop it up. By all means, carry on with this game in which you decline to present any evidence for your derogatory claims, preferring to assert that because this is "your thread" you are somehow exempt from the rules of reasoned debate. We who are reading your fallacious screeds know the truth -- which is, namely, that you're trolling. As a Moderator, you should be ashamed of your unscrupulous and intellectually dishonest postings.