Bail Organa knew who Leia's father was didn't he?

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  1. THEFORCEISWITHME33 Jedi Knight

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    If this has been dicussed before please lock. I was watching ROTS & towards the end Yoda,Bail,& Obi-Wan are deciding the fate of the children. When they discuss "the boy" all Yoda says is with his family on Tattoine, or somthing to that affect. I never actually heard anyone say Anakin or Vader. In that conversation. Just wondering. Thanks[face_peace]
  2. RogueScribner Force Ghost

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    I would assume at some point Yoda would have told him. It would only make sense.
  3. COMMANDER76 Jedi Master

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    Bail had to know or else why would the Jedi even trouble with hiding the babies??? Why would the Empire be concerned with Padme's children in general???
  4. Squishy_Vic Force Ghost

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    He had to have known, of course. But who cares, he ends up dead anyway.
  5. wcleere Force Ghost

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    Way to throw Bail under the bus Squishy. At least give the man some credit for outliving most everyone else who opposed the Emperor. Not to mention raising a daughter who helped destory the Empire. Not to mention keeping his planet intact throughout 18 years of Empire Tyranny.

    And so it is.
  6. voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host

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    Bail had to know or else why would the Jedi even trouble with hiding the babies??? Why would the Empire be concerned with Padme's children in general???

    Yeah, Bail knows. He probably suspected the love affair with Padme way back when Anakin arrived and went to see Padme behind the columns in the Senate office hallway. He probably looked to see where Anakin went in a shot not shown on screen.
  7. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    He did suspect the love affair with Anakin. In the novel Dark Lord, he muses that it's a "secret out in the open" or something like that. What he doesn't know is that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker. Until this book. ;)
  8. halfwits-r-us Jedi Youngling

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    so wait Obi wan and Yoda didn't tell Bail that Anakin was the father of Padme's twins while they were all discussing how they must be hidden from the sith? No, I think Bail knew.
  9. COMMANDER76 Jedi Master

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    Clever black on black cover-up Master Moderator...
  10. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    Thanks, Commander. :)

    Not only did he suspect the affair, Padme's pregnancy was a "secret out in the open" in the circle of folks like Bail, Mon Mothma, etc. and most senators. He was told who the twins father is.
  11. halfwits-r-us Jedi Youngling

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    oh so he knew in ROTS then. But they all find out about VAder in The Dark Lord thingy. super duper gang super duper!
  12. Circle_Is_Complete Jedi Knight

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    Also don't forget that in the deleted scenes that Padme asks if she could tell a Jedi she was "close to" about the Delegation of 2000 and the Senators seem to give each other looks so I agree they knew and if not I don't think Yoda and Obi-Wan would let some one go away with a baby in danger without letting them know the danger or risk.
  13. DON_QUITO12 Jedi Youngling

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    I agree to say that it was obvious that Bail knew who was the real father... Therefore, why bodering to hide the twins...???
  14. halfwits-r-us Jedi Youngling

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    um because they didn't want Sids and Vader to find out. As Obi Wan, said "the emperor knew as I did that if Anakin Skywalker had any offspring, they would be a threat to him" yada yada etc...
  15. voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host

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    Not only did he suspect the affair, Padme's pregnancy was a "secret out in the open" in the circle of folks like Bail, Mon Mothma, etc. and most senators. He was told who the twins father is.

    So youre basically saying Bail, Mon Mothma, etc. and most senators knew who the father was before Anakin did. :D Yeah, the father is sometimes the last to know. :p
  16. DON_QUITO12 Jedi Youngling

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    Yes, I now the whole story... but, why involving Bail in this plot is the main topic for this thread... It is obvious that Bail knew who was their father... It is just an answer for the topic of "did Bail know who's Leia's father...???"
  17. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    It's not in the film, but Bail tells Obi-wan and Yoda that he is loyal to the Jedi and the Old Republic. No matter what they hear in their self-imposed exile, he is and will always be working towards overthrowing Sidious. The Jedi and Bail have had a good working relationship dating back to the start of the Clone Wars. Just prior to the Battle Of Courscant, Bail visits the Council when Palpatine is making his latest proclimations (sp) in the Senate. And because he went out to find the two Jedi Masters, he proved his loyalty by not turning them in. Bail also had the means of forming a resistance. More so given that he would've told them that he and Padme had discussed that the last time they saw each other.

    So Bail agreed to aid the Jedi and help start the Alliance.
  18. MatthewZ Force Ghost

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    Well this is actually a two part question:

    1) Does Bail know Anakin is the father of the twins?

    2) Does Bail know Anakin is Darth Vader?
  19. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    Answer to number 2 - he finds out when Vader comes to Alderaan the first time. No one knows Anakin survived (except Qui-Gon) until about a month after ROTS, when Palpatine starts showing him off. One of this first assigments is to go to Alderaan to get Fang Zar. He almost runs smack dab into Queen Breha and baby Leia. At this moment, it suddenly falls into place for Bail. This is Anakin Skywalker.
  20. DON_QUITO12 Jedi Youngling

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    Wasn't Fang Zar from Sern Prime??? What was he doing in Alderaan???
  21. Get_in_Gear Jedi Youngling

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    What were Mon Mothma, Crix Madine and Admiral Ackbar doing near Sullust in ROTJ when they are from Chandrila, Corellia and Mon Calamari respectively?

    People do travel when they have "business" to attend to...
  22. UPwind-ooooh Jedi Knight

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    "Answer to number 2 - he finds out when Vader comes to Alderaan the first time. No one knows Anakin survived (except Qui-Gon) until about a month after ROTS, when Palpatine starts showing him off. One of this first assigments is to go to Alderaan to get Fang Zar. He almost runs smack dab into Queen Breha and baby Leia. At this moment, it suddenly falls into place for Bail. This is Anakin Skywalker."

    I'd really be jazzed if the TV series started off with this little episode -- then moving off to Tatooine to show Owen, Beru and baby Luke on the farm with Ben (perhaps a digital Ben) watching from the hills in the distance -- then to our little green friend making a new home on Dagobah -- all covering perhaps 5 - 10 minutes max.

    Wherever the show goes from there is just fine with me -- but some degree of direct tie in to ROTS would be so very uber-kool!
  23. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    Bail definitely knows that Anakin is the father. But I think he believes Anakin is dead because that's what Obi-Wan believed happened.
  24. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Fang Zar is on the run because of his involvement in the Delegation of 2000. Since Fang and Bail are allies, this is why he's there.
  25. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    He believes Anakin dead as of the end of ROTS. It's only a month or so afterwards that he finds out that Anakin is Darth Vader. The same time Obi-Wan finds out that Anakin lived.
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