Banning Question

so, if people in real life get a night in the pokey for stuff like public drunkedness, or disorderly conduct, then
people that lose on the price is right should go to jail for the night too?

i think toying with the ban button is an irresponsible use of authority, regardless of whether the morons sign up for it or not.

the mods should know better, they are all high and mighty.

FF

 

jedi_master_ousley posted on 6/23/05 3:36pm

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Too many people would give up early on and the game wouldn't be fun. It gives people a reason to keep playing.
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Heh, I remember how much fun Stryphe had banning contestants in your TPM trivia contest. :p

 

so, if people in real life get a night in the pokey for stuff like public drunkedness, or disorderly conduct, then
people that lose on the price is right should go to jail for the night too?

i think toying with the ban button is an irresponsible use of authority, regardless of whether the morons sign up for it or not.

the mods should know better, they are all high and mighty.


You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the matter.

 

FORCEFED posted on 6/24/05 12:22pm

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so, if people in real life get a night in the pokey for stuff like public drunkedness, or disorderly conduct, then
people that lose on the price is right should go to jail for the night too?

i think toying with the ban button is an irresponsible use of authority, regardless of whether the morons sign up for it or not.

the mods should know better, they are all high and mighty.

FF



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The difference is that in a game ban, the user may have their primary name banned, but they can still post with a sock.

In a ToS Violation ban, the user is NOT allowed such action, as it is another violation of ToS, and will lengthen the ban.

It's not an overuse of power, nor is it high and mighty. It's something that is requested by the USER that is running the game. It's not like they arbitrarily decided "he lost... ban him".

And if you don't agree with it, avoid games that give out overnight bans for losing.

 

Because a 'game' ban, and a 'tos' ban are two very different kettles of fish. Both are viewed entirely differently by users and the MS alike.


What would your suggestion to make games more interesting ?

 

Maybe you could give out real prizes, like "A dinner with malkie" and the winner can choose which kettle of fish they want.

Or, heck, just kettles of fish would be a good prize.

Seriously, I guess I just kinda think it's irresponsible.

Actually, a good prize would "Be a Mod for a Day".

I'd play that game.

FF

 

so you don't really have a solution ? just things to moan about.

 

No, I don't have a solution, Malkie. The first part is to identify the problem. The next step would be to come up with a solution.

If you agree there is a problem, I will gladly think of some solutions.

FF

 

Hey, the 'Mod for a Day' for a day thing works for me.

Of course, if I won, there'd be no one left on the boards without at least a 24 to talk to...

But who cares?!

 

Strangely funny, me doing that exact thing got me banned, only i didn't pinpoint a particular mod, rather, a section/group.

And that furthers my point. Mods are not subject to punishment. Right now, as I am typing this post, there is a mod dangling a Hoagie in front of a starving young Nigerian. Said Nigerian will exert energy trying to reach the Hoagie, and die of exhaustion. Said Mod will get props, but if any basic member desides it's fun to kill, BANNINATION

Case to case sucks. So does all the other subjective crap. I think the TOS is purposely left VAGUE so that action can be taken against those who don't powder a moderator's heinie.

If the analogy of the Mod team being just like the Sex Scandal of the Catholic Church hits too many nerves, so be it. But bottom line, some altar boys arent enjoying their religion.

Snack-Cakes Edit: Hateful posting is such crap. Someone who hasnt ever seen a boob can't really be too subjective as to what offends those of us with different, and better, standards. So some people have more borderline senses of humor. Big whoop-de-friggin doo!

 

so, if people in real life get a night in the pokey for stuff like public drunkedness, or disorderly conduct, then
people that lose on the price is right should go to jail for the night too?

To extend that analogy, a game ban is equivalent to getting a night in jail for losing on The Price Is Right, except that you can make a little voodoo doll of yourself, sit it on the bench and walk out. A TOS-related ban keeps you and your dolls in there for as long as is deemed appropriate.

 

banning is banning. it's a powerful tool, and it's obviously been untrusted to people who do not respect it's power.
why else would they use it as a gimmick? maybe police officers can start using their tazers as a gimmick too...

"hey, sir. you missed that empty parking space by 2 seconds, and the old lady got it. you lost, and therefore, i am going to tazer you for giggles."

FF

 

What if the person says "sure, I knew that by coming into this parking lot I was risking getting shot by a tazer if I didn't find a space"?

 

If the user gets to post as a sock while on a game-ban and the game ban doesn't affect their usernotes in a negative way, I don't see what the big deal is.

 

people are willing to do all sorts of dumb stuff. look at the world, look at asian pornography.

that doesn't mean it is right. if i can get bilk some old lady outta her life savings, because she was "willing", and i as a con man made it happen, does that make my actions any less despicable?

and if the mods hold themselves up to the standard they profess to,
then they wouldn't allow themselves to abuse their power and make a mockery of the most effective tool
in there arsenal.


FF

 

The old lady is unaware of the con aginst her. In terms of game bans, there is no con. Everyone involved is completely 'in on' anything there might be to be 'in on'.

It's not an abuse of power. Game bans are something that both the mods and the users playing the games are happy with. Those who are banned don't have a problem with the ban because they choose to play the game knowing the risks involved. That's not an abuse of power by the mods, that's both mods and regular users working hand in hand to raise the stakes and raise the excitement; nobody loses, nobody is setting themselves above anybody else, nobody is being hoodwinked.... it's all good.

Game bans serve the game, they help with the drama and the most basic idea of competition within the game... nothing else. Mods do not see them as a bit of a power trip.

There is no problem here, you are just fishing for another difference between the mods and the regular users, and whilst you've found one for sure, this time it's a difference that makes the things better, and not worse.

A mod tool doesn't have to just be a one dimensional thing, if it can have a beneficial effect on the boards too, then let it.

 

eh, i think it is an abuse of power, and i don't think i'm fishing.

but if you and the rest of the mods think my opinion doesn't matter, and things should go on as they are, then hey, it's blatantly obvious (from this and other conversations) that i don't have leg to stand on when it comes to questioning the "system".

FF

 

Thank-you for refuting what I've said, and thank-you even more for resorting to the catch-all 'mods don't care what us plebs think' routine.

 

Uh, you know going into the game that if you lose, you will be banned. You have full knowledge of that fact, so I fail to see how it could be perceived as an "abuse of power". That's like entering into a boxing match and wondering why the other guy is punching you, and screaming "assault, arrest this man!"

 

i guess this is where i bow down and kiss your feet, and say, "you are all right.
you win. you have snuffed out yet another dissenting voice."


congratulations , i'm sure you parents are so proud.

FF

 

Help, help, you're being repressed!

 

Honestly, that's the weakest get out imaginable.

Stop trying to force some pathetic idea of "I'm a normal person and you're a sad nerd / group of powers trip freaks because you disagree with me" onto proceedings, because no such definite line exists. It's artificial, and out of place, and only shows you up. You're supposed to be illustrating why you think game bans are an abuse of power, and debating it in a mature and sensible manner, not dragging this down into a personal slanging match.

 

FORCEFED posted on 6/24/05 12:22pm

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so, if people in real life get a night in the pokey for stuff like public drunkedness, or disorderly conduct, then
people that lose on the price is right should go to jail for the night too? [hr][/blockquote] No, it'd be more like being put in the pokey for 24 hours but being allowed to get up and leave and do whatever you wanted (within the law) whenever you wanted.

 

Or, if the rules on the Price is Right clearly stated "Losers will spend 24 hours in jail", then they'd have nothing to complain about.

The banning isn't a surprise. Trust me, any sort of "rush" a mod might get from banning someone for breaking the TOS is not there when banning someone for losing a game.

 

You're supposed to be illustrating why you think game bans are an abuse of power, and debating it in a mature and sensible manner, not dragging this down into a personal slanging match.

I already stated that I believe the use of what is meant to be a deterrent to TOS violations as a gimmick decreases the seriousness of a real ban. And it's a matter of opinion, an opinion, which by the way, you dragged through the muck, just because we didn't happen to see it the same way.

And as far as a slanging match goes, that is utterly ridiculous, i just don't like having my opinions and thoughts disregarded simply because of my affiliations, which is exactly what is happening. And being told I am using a "catch all" as a way to sidestep the issue and make it about me personally, is also somewhat offensive.

You can go ahead and respond, but I'm logging off to go do some things in real life. With my family. I am not some monster who is trying to stir stuff up for the sake of it. I am merely expressing my thoughts on the matter.

FF