Bashers have taken over the forum for TPM

Stop discussing individual people. That's where the entire "basher/gusher" problem comes from in the first place.

"Let both sides say what they want. If someone can call Lucas an idiot, I should be able to do the same to the poster."

It sounds to me like you're taking things personal. I understand that you want to defend Lucas, but calling someone else an idiot isn't going to help things. That's just as bad as what "bashers" are accused of doing.

 

Well, when there are thread like THIS over there, it makes a person wonder who is really doing the bashing.

Thanks for pointing that thread out. The first two respondents to that thread said:

He was one of the people who made me cut my time back in the movie forums...

and

Idiotic posts like that is the reason why I stopped going to the movie forums.

I hear these comments all the time in the spoiler forum. The policies of this board have driven away many of the people who would make informative and substantive contributions. Bashers are welcomed and coddled.

 

Please stop making sweeping generalizations.

"The policies of this board have driven away many of the people who would make informative and substantive contributions."

Yet, when I go to the AOTC forum, I see many people there still who can make informative contributions.

"Bashers are welcomed and coddled."

Everyone is welcomed here.

 

...calling someone else an idiot isn't going to help things.

It would do wonders for me. It's not my favorite solution. I would prefer that the policies be shifted more in favor of people who like the films, for the simple fact that many good people have left and aren't coming back. Once EP III comes and goes, it will be too late to fix.

That's just as bad as what "bashers" are accused of doing.

Not "accused of". They actually do it all the time. And because of the policies set by the higher ups, the mods are skittish about clamping down on such nonsense, even if it is redundant. Redundant positive threads are quickly locked.

 

"Everyone is welcomed here."

Even people like RevengeofDahveed who call us young children for liking the Prequels? He is not here to socialise or learn anything new, but to insult people and cause trouble. Why are such people not removed from here?

 

I know I have never seen Lucas called an idiot in the EU forums, or anywhere else here, for that matter. Of course, as we are constantly reminded-we are all entitled to our own opinions.

 

A tad OT here, but I originally stopped going into the TPM forum because of all the negativity. I just got hacked off that a film I really loved was having a new one torn from every angle. And the few positive threads at the time were the terribly boring "TPM was great" "It sure was" drivel. Of course, that was over a year ago, so I may have a look in there now, see if anything's changed.

Also, I remember someone commenting on hypersensitivity (not in this thread, actually in the AOTC forum, but same point applies) asking if we (gushers) would react so violently if someone prodded us on the arm. I didn't think of the answer at the time, but a good further of the analogy is that we might, if someone prodded us on the same spot all the live long day for four years.

Sorry for being a bit OT, but I needed to say that.

 

Redundant positive threads are quickly locked.

So are redundant negative threads. There are tons of LOTR-gushing threads that have been locked in the past month.

 

A tad OT here, but I originally stopped going into the TPM forum because of all the negativity.

I would say that is exactly on topic. I've heard these types of comments again and again. The administration here simply does not want to see it. They are mostly concerned with being open to bashers as a free speech issue. And boy are they getting what they ask for.

 

The problem does not stem from the Bashers Sanctuary, but six or seven individuals. I am sure the moderators know who they are and the trouble they like causing but they have failed to act.

 

I'm not sure how on topic I was. That was over a year ago. I've just looked back into the TPM board and it seems a lot better. I'm seeing pleasant discussion, I'm seeing purely positive threads that have room for discussion instead of just the sycophantic rubbish, heck, I'm even seeing threads where gushers outnumber bashers. Sure, there's some negativity (ok, a lot) but a lot less than there was when I stopped visiting that board. In fact, I'm going back.

 

Glad to hear that, GrandMoffTarkin.

"I am sure the moderators know who they are and the trouble they like causing but they have failed to act."

We do know who these people are, and we are watching them. Remember, you don't see the PMs that we may send to these members. You don't necessarily know when they are banned. Don't make it sound like we're ignoring them, or like we're sweeping it all under the rug, because that's not the case.

 

Well, it seems to me, having read every post here, that the gushers have been well represented. Now, I have decided that I am not a 'basher,' tho that is what I have been labeled, but a 'critical' fan.

I originally came to these boards because I had been lurking for a few days and came across the welcome page. It said that serious discussion of the SW movies was expected and that the people who posted here were into such SW trivia as how much an ounce of glitterstem spice cost and I should be prepared to debate accordingly.

Well, in my innocence, I dared to state my opinion of the love story in AoTC in a thread that clearly invited both views. I was thoroughly trashed for having an opposite viewpoint and later found out thru another poster that the few regulars on that thread who loved the love story, had driven everyone with a differing opinion away.

Eventually, I found my way, I'm pretty sure by invitation, to the Basher's Sanctuary. I was drawn by Binary_Sunset's posts.

I enjoy posting there because we all treat each other civilly and have intelligent discussions. True, there are a very few who do not like anything about the PT, but we tolerate them and let them vent their feelings in a safe place.

I also try to make intelligent posts in other forums as well. I have learned to develop a thick skin and not take too much personally. It takes a lot to offend me. But, for the most part, I just ignore it.

Even when we 'bashers' and again, I prefer the term 'critical fan' give reasons, both personal and technical, such as lighting, editing, directing, and writing, for our dislike of certain aspects of the PT, we are attacked personally and accused of attacking GL personally. I do not think GL is god, and I do not attack him personally, i.e., calling him an idiot, etc., yet I have been flamed for criticizing his abilities as a film maker, something which should definitely be allowed on a SW message board.

I have been accused of hating the PT, when in fact I only have problems with certain parts of the movies and certain characters, such as Jar Jar.

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth.

EDIT: I also will not ever say anything against a certain movie if I have not seen it. There are some gushers who have not seen the movies that SW,OT or PT, is compared with, so how can they justify their position?

Lady Sami

 

So are redundant negative threads.

Nope. This thread in the EP III spoiler forum was a standard basher thread that didn't even have anything to do with EP III.

Comes a time when you have to face facts.

Not only was it not locked, mods actually contributed to it! Finally, DS locked it after two days, but of course he had to say "This is a great thread..."!?

If the thread had started out exactly the same, but was positive, the mods would have had no problem locking it right away. Because it was negative, they are cautious. There is no balance.

 

Well, I saw the Basher's thread. If you ask me, it didn't seem any worse than the many Haters Clubs we had in EUC, until they were shut down.

*shrugs*

 

Shelley, I fail to see what's wrong with that post. That person pointed out what he believed was wrong with the PT so far, and why he believed the OT was superior. At no point did he flame anyone or fail to provide evidence for his arguments. What's the problem?

You honestly don't see what's "flaming" about comments such as:

"Something the bashers avoid is that the PT has brought new fans to the saga."

...who cannot tell the difference in quality. Bashers don't try to avoid this fact, they try to avoid the new fans!

"That's the next generation of SW fans."

[shudder]

Unlike Lucas, I have no problems with the OT, and this need of him to satisfy the desires of fans who prefer style over substance irks me.

You honestly don't think that is insulting and flaming people who like the OT -- saying that they prefer style over substance? That bashers "avoid" them (the hell they do!) because they can't tell the difference in quality?

That sounds like insults and flames to me. If I'd said something like that to a basher -- that they preferred style over substance and they couldn't tell the difference in quality -- I'd have been banned. No warnings: BANNED. But somehow it's okay for people who hate the prequels to insult those who do. Repeatedly.

 

No, I don't think it's insulting and flaming. At least, no worse than what went on in a certain Hater's Club.

 

Stop discussing individual people. That's where the entire "basher/gusher" problem comes from in the first place.

Thank you, YodaJeff.

I'll reply to your post, royalguard, because you're one of the few people who actually focused on the issues I brought up rather than attacking me personally.

I've thought about this issue a lot. I've been on the front line of a lot of "basher-gusher" threads in TPM and AOTC. Here is my honest experience:

Are there mindless bashers who will say and do anything to get a rise out of people? Yes. Do they do this in the TPM forum without fear of reprimand? Occassionally, yes.

Hoever, it's also been my experience there are those who didn't like the PT who express their views fairly and very eloquently. RebelScumb is one who comes to mind. It's interesting to trade opinions with him because he actually has an open mind and will recognize the good things about the PT.

Yes, RebelScumb is one of the more thoughtful and eloquent bashers. I've met a few.

However, there are also "gushers" who have the exact same lack of tact and courtesy to those on the other side of the fence. It's when people on BOTH sides of the fence get like this, that the senseless wars break out and threads get locked.

Yep.

I find it interesting that the TPM forum mod hasn't chosen to voice his opinion in this thread. He does afterall, enjoy reminding people that the TPM forum belongs to him. I'd love to hear his reactions to what's been stated here.

Bottom line is, there are good threads in TPM where you can discuss the good aspects of the film. Are there a lot of anti-TPM threads in the TPM forum? Yes. But there are also a lot of pro-TPM forums as well. Concentrate your time there. Don't let yourself get dragged down by the negativity.

Yes, that's a good idea. I just find it hard to concentrate on the positive when there is so much negativity.

 

Edit: Nevermind now. Post was edited.

 

Edited for same reason as KW's post.

 

No, I don't think it's insulting and flaming.

Really? Telling someone that they can't tell quality simply because they like a movie you don't isn't insulting?

Would you consider it insulting if someone told you you couldn't tell what a quality character was because you like Mara?

At least, no worse than what went on in a certain Hater's Club.

Which Hater's Club is that? I haven't been to the one on the EU forums in a while.