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Batman: Dead End (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

Discussion in 'Fan Films, Fan Audio & SciFi 3D' started by Azeem, Jul 21, 2003.

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  1. Semaj Ovured

    Semaj Ovured Jedi Master star 4

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    All I have to say is ... HOLY CRAP!

    Great lookin' film. Production values, RAIN! The only thing missing was the bat mobile and CatWoman in a tight fitting cat suit!

    Come on, gang, let's not get all Star Wars Snobby!

    What a great kickoff to non-SW fan films at FANFILMS.COM!

     
  2. filmmaker

    filmmaker Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Sometimes it amazes me that the people on this forum are such a tough crowd. You would think that other filmmakers would appreciate how hard it is to make something that looks THIS FREAKING GOOD. It seems like when a fanfilm is done by someone who works in the industry, it isn't appreciated as much. Can't people who know how to do lighting, camera etc. be fans too? I work in the industry. Yesterday I directed a furniture store commercaial, and let me assure you, it's probably even more frustrating than if I was selling hamburgers or delivering pizzas. I'd much rather be working on a DEAD END job (lol). When I see someone give a film like this a lackluster review, I'm really anxious to see what they can come up with, as this film blows away the production values of any fanfilm on the web. (leaving my own Essence Of The Force, one of the previous contenders, in the dust) As for the Batman costume, I've always thought that the movies designed the Batsuit because Michael Keaton couldn't move like Batman. Well this guy could, so this was the Dark Knight from the comics, done more accurately than ever before. The shot where he stands up (If you've seen it you know what I'm talking about) RULES THE WORLD.
    So congratulations again to the filmmakers on an excellent job, and sorry for the ranting.
     
  3. Spacehunter24

    Spacehunter24 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It most definitely did NOT have any Burtonesque feeling to it at all.

    So my opinion is wrong?

    Darkness <> Tim Burton
    He owns no tradmark on it.


    Did I say he did? All I said was that it me it reminded me of the style of the original BATMAN. Funny how nowadays most people don't have any respect for peoples' opinions anymore unless it's the same as the general feeling.

    The shot where he stands up (If you've seen it you know what I'm talking about) RULES THE WORLD.

    Yeah, that was pretty cool, even though a cape would never land perfectly like that in real life. :D
     
  4. Crunchy

    Crunchy Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    that is the way it would have landed in the comics...duh
     
  5. Darth_Redicolous

    Darth_Redicolous Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I just watched it again. I want more! :D The Batsuit is cool. It looks like the one Adam West had. I never liked the new one.

    I watched the clip on TV. The rain was perfect. And everything else. :D

     
  6. niennumb1

    niennumb1 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Spacehunter24, I agree. We all get ridiculed if the opinion doesn't match the general reaction to the film. We're treated like we're wrong and they're right. They're just opinions.

    Crunchy, based on the grades I gave it it probably should have been more like a B-. I took the stuff I graded an A and A+ and then figured that into the D grade and based it on a point value of 10 if it was an A+ or A (2 points per grade up and -1 docked for a minus grade: F=2 D=4 C=6 B=8 A=10) so it was based on a grade of 50 possible points and got roughly a B- from it. But yes... It is a good thing I'm not a teacher! HAHAHA! :)
     
  7. Tri-Som_Gare

    Tri-Som_Gare Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Wow, that was very cool and well done. The cape part was very cool as well. All the costumes were very well done as was the camera work. great shots and good editing. Except for a few cuts, but that is just nit picking to the extreme :D

    Kudos to the whole team that did this. A most excellent job!

    And I remember way back when it was talked about hosting other films besides just SW. It is a long time coming and I think it is an excellent idea and would bring more people here that may otherwise never have known we are here. They will be watching our films while they are here to! More exposure to everyone's films.

    Anyway...
     
  8. durbnpoisn

    durbnpoisn TFN Staff Cast & Crew Database star 5 VIP

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    I never said anyone's opinion was wrong. I just don't think it's fair to compare this film to a Tim Burton movie. It's two different universes.

    That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

    Man, this place is becoming more and more confrontational all the time. You can't say anything anymore without getting jumped on.
     
  9. panicstruckpro

    panicstruckpro Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I have to say stellar production value and DP work! Loved the whole concept and found the piece to be very enjoyable. Had to watch it a few times .. I always love a good brawl... and the costumes.. first rate! I can see how this short can create some great PR for the production team and TFN. One way to really bring in new traffic and stir the buzz.
    The Director: Sandy Collora has been a part of some great productions, and his skill shows (ie: MIB II, The Crow, Predator II, Leviathan)so he knows a few people to help out with Batman :)

    A fun thing, if you look through most the cast / crew.. they all at one point worked with Sandy or one another. Perfect example is one of the executive producers on "Batman: Deadend":
    Jo Vogelbacher worked as the key hair stylist on the film Solomon Bernstein's Bathroom another film Sandy did creature design for .. It's all who ya know baby :)

    These guys did a great job, and loved the concept.. perhaps not a true fan-film in the sense, but even professionals are fans .. give us something to shoot for ... stellar work!
     
  10. J-Solo

    J-Solo Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, I'm confused. When I read the "no spoilers please" on the title, of course I thought there was some star wars twist in the end of the film. I downloaded it, and kept waiting for that twist up to the last second.

    Nothing star wars related happened, and I didn't know how to feel. I even think that my ability to judge the film has suffered because of that. Was it a good film? Yes. The cinematography is great, the sound editing is good, the choreography, the acting, the costumes...all very, very good.

    But...what's it about?
    And, sorry, but what's this doing here?

    [opinion]I've read all the messages of this thread, and my feelings are still confused. I hope you guys know what you're doing, but this could backfire in a bad way to all of us here.

    I'm just a guest, but I always read here how cool Lucas and Lucasfilm are to allow us to do what we do, and play with Star Wars, and so on. But when a Batman (and those other guys, not want to "spoil" anybory, god forbid...) "fan" film is hosted here, what does it mean? Aren't you guys just opening the doors to possible lawsuits, problems and even possibly putting in check the existence of this community?

    And I don't know...just a few weeks ago there was a topic saying something like "no more Matrix threads". And now you host a Batman/etc film?[/opinion]

    Ok, so now I'll go watch that film again, now that the Star Wars stuff is out of the way. :)
     
  11. durbnpoisn

    durbnpoisn TFN Staff Cast & Crew Database star 5 VIP

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    This Copyright topic seems to surface once every couple of weeks.

    I am still of the opinion that we have nothing to worry about. There is a fine line to cross when you 1) steal intellectual property for profit or 2) use the characters for something offensive. As long as no one crosses that line, the holders of trademarks and copyrights will continue to look the other way.
    What do they have to gain by shutting down a bunch of nerds who are investing their own time and money to produce obvious fan fiction?!?
    In effect we are advertising their universe and expanding the ideas at no cost to them. How can that be bad? How can that be damaging to them?

    I don't see this film as any thread to fan fiction exisitence whether it be Star Wars or anything else.
     
  12. Spacehunter24

    Spacehunter24 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I never said anyone's opinion was wrong. I just don't think it's fair to compare this film to a Tim Burton movie. It's two different universes.

    Of course, I wasn't trying to say it was better or worse than Burton's. I was just saying that to me, it had the feeling of the original BATMAN.

    It seems like when a fanfilm is done by someone who works in the industry, it isn't appreciated as much.

    I've got no problem with professionals making fan-films. I would only be worried that more of more being made with similar production values would raise the bar by which fan-films are judged and by which few could meet if you're not a professional, you know?
     
  13. 20x6

    20x6 Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't think people need to be so worried about the professionals taking over the fanfilm community. Sure their stuff will look better than something shot on a consumer mini-DV camera, but that doesn't diminish the mini-DV guy's efforts. Everyone says that their films can't "compete." If it is a competition, just look at it as a wrestling or boxing match, only instead of weight classes separate them into budget classes. I tell you I'd watch an interesting story shot with lesser means just as easily as I would watch big budget eye candy. Anyway. . .

    >>steps down from soap box<<
     
  14. Aliensfilm

    Aliensfilm Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I thought it was vary well done with great production qualities & a really good blend of things.
    I want to see what happens next!!! :)
     
  15. SkywalkerG

    SkywalkerG Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    One thing i just noticed, since it is ok to critic. Is that the bad guy vision doesn't seem like an actually heat detective vision. it looks more like a special effect just thrown in there for you to assume it is. I mean... since when does a shadow cast heat? And Batman isnt exactly 98.5 degrees either...
     
  16. Spacehunter24

    Spacehunter24 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The credits music is from Back to the Future...III? Is it not?

    I don't know if it's been answered yet or not, but the end credit music was from PREDATOR 2. (The first film's score is only available as a bootleg, but the P2 score was released on CD.) I noticed music from BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM (for the shot were Batman rises up in the alley), ALIENS, and PREDATOR 2.
     
  17. Scott_M

    Scott_M Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The opening music is 'Agnus Dei' from Alien3. The AQOF guys used Alien3 music to great effect.
     
  18. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    My review. If you like my reviews, you'll love JediTAC's upcoming fan films site!


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    This film took with it a strange kind of hype.
    It was a hit at Comic-Con. Some proclaimed it the best Batman movie ever. Images and interviews hit the more ?mainstream? Internet media. Fans went nuts. TFN hosted it, their first non-Star Wars fan film hosting choice ever.
    I couldn?t wait to see it. I?d seen the pictures of Andrew Koenig as the Joker, and they blew me away. Sure, we?ve all seen Jack Nicholson?s Joker. But the bar has been raised here, in terms of characterization, performance and especially makeup. This is the Joker for me as far as I am concerned.
    The rest? well.
    The film opens with tasteful credits set in Copperplate Gothic, a nice choice (for a Batman film, mind you!), and shortly thereafter, a stunning helicopter shot. How the filmmakers got their hands on the resources for this aerial pan, I?ll never know. But it floored me. Of course, Sandy Collora and his crew are professionals. This film would not be judged by the same standards as I would judge something made by a bunch of high schoolers.
    Batman is dressed the way he is in the old-school comics and serials. Gray suit, black bat on the chest sans yellow oval, no body armor. I could do with seeing more of this in the Batman film universe. The bandaged hands were a wonderful touch as well. And the Batsignal, a bat-shaped beam of light piercing the rain-dappled sky, made me happy.
    And then we have the Joker. I can?t rave enough about him. His voice, his eyes. And the dialogue is among the best I have ever heard in a fan film.
    Yes, I?d call this a fan film, despite the professional work that went into it. He?s not charging people to see it. He did it to show off his talent and because he likes Batman.
    He also seems to like another movie franchise.
    I won?t spoil the twist, but Batman faces some non-Joker enemies in this film, and I don?t think it?s a good choice. Yes, I know there were comics where this happened, and I don?t care. The new enemy looks good, but the cuts to his POV were extraordinarily distracting, and, more importantly, I spent the entire time wondering why he was there.
    And the film just goes downhill on a nearly vertical slope when he shows up.
    When this ends, the film ends. It just sort of stops. Dead End, indeed.
    I may be too generous with this rating. But when a fan film attracts this much attention from the outside world, even to the point of making life safer for fan films set in the DC universe, you gotta figure that something big is happening, and Dead End is a pioneer. Watch it for the Joker, and all of a sudden you?ll forget Tim Burton ever existed.

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  19. luvsthejawajuice

    luvsthejawajuice Jedi Youngling

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    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Holy CRAP! That was INTENSE. I simply could not believe what I was watching.
    That was hands down, the best short film I have ever seen, and I've seen them all. I had to register on this forum just to post this review because I have a REALLY JUICY TIDBIT for all of you. Here goes...
    The director of this film Sandy Collora is a HUGE Star Wars fan, I know somebody who knows somebody who knows him, and apparently, he has one of the bigger collections of SW stuff in the US. He's also a very well known designer and sculpter and worked on tons of movies and even has made lots of action figures, but check this out...
    A few years ago, this guy went to some gala benefit dinner where George Lucas was being honored for ...something, I'm not really sure. From what I heard, Sandy bought a ticket for the event for a whopping 1,000 dollars and sculpted a BRONZE BUST of George Lucas to give to him at this event, and got removed by SECURITY! Now from what I heard, he tried to tell them he was an industry person, and even asked the guards to get Spielberg and some other big producer or director who was there that he apparently worked with to vouch for him, but he was escorted out apparently when they tried to take the small bust from him. Now I've seen this thing, it used to be posted on his website www.collorastudios.com, and it is GORGEOUS, absolutely phenomenal.
    From what I've seen and heard, this guy has a lot of talent, both as an artist and a director, and I'm sure that after BATMAN:DEAD END, he'll direct a feature... I wonder if he'll ever try to give George that bust agian????
     
  20. yikes

    yikes Jedi Padawan star 4

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    YES! I knew it! When I watched the film, I was thinking... this location sure looks like the one in "Guyver: Dark Hero".

    When I visited collorastudio's website, I realized he did the set design for Guyver Dark Hero.

    I know none of you guys know what the heck i'm talking abou, so I'll shut up now..
     
  21. DARTH_ABBADON

    DARTH_ABBADON Jedi Youngling star 4

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    [face_laugh] Actually, I've seen it, but I still don't know what scene you're talking about.
     
  22. SkywalkerG

    SkywalkerG Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Ok so i should read the comic? Cause i still dont understand why Joker , after escaping from a insane asylum, would go hang out on the top of a very tall building.
     
  23. DARTH_ABBADON

    DARTH_ABBADON Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Well, I could be wrong but I thought that was an alleyway he was in, not a rooftop.
     
  24. yikes

    yikes Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Actually, I've seen it, but I still don't know what scene you're talking about.

    In the opening of the Guyver Dark Hero movie. When He beats up all the crooks that are stealing the barbie dolls made of cocain.

    It looks a bit different because of all the machinery they added in that movie, but if you look carefuly, the alleyway in this bat flick and guyver is the same. No big surprise since its the same set designers.
     
  25. Spacehunter24

    Spacehunter24 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Batman was crouched atop the building, spotted Joker running down the alley, and went after him.
     
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