Amph Batman R.I.P (No Raven, you aren't allowed)

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  1. EmeraldSpeedster Jedi Knight

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    Alan Moore and Grant Morrison write similar stories in that they both write stories that go further than anyone else writing in the genre would do. The difference is, I think that Alan Moore asks himself "What would be the best story I could write?" and Grant Morrison asks "What would be the most shocking thing I could write?"

    That is a very good distinction between the pair. It also helps to clear up my head about why I think I like Alan Moore so much. Thanks. It is too bad that there is so much bad blood in the history between the major companies and Alan. He could do such wonderful things with the characters if the world had gone a different way.
  2. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    I don't think anything he writes as really that shocking. He enjoys breaking things to build them back up though. It's almost as if he thinks heroes don't deserve to be happy unless they go through hell first. Just look what he did to Animal Man.

    On the flip side, Alan Moore does do some things simply for the shock. I thing he said he did Lost Girls simply because he wanted to publish porn and get away with it.
  3. EmeraldSpeedster Jedi Knight

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    So I was actually pretty relieved by today's issue. The truth behind the crazy weird development, at least one section of it, panned out. Faith renewed for one week more. Now we just need some of this Mama 'n Papa Wayne nonsense to be cleared up to truth.
  4. -polymath- SFF:F/TV Trivia Host

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    details? I don't buy comics anymore...financial stress and all.
  5. EmeraldSpeedster Jedi Knight

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    details? I don't buy comics anymore...financial stress and all.

    I do feel you on that. I usually don't get my comics for months because of lack of the proper availability as well as the new thrust of the financial burden.

    Anyways, wiki has been keeping up pretty good details, but specific spoilers for this issue include that The crazy development of Batman becoming "The Batman of Zur En Ah, aka Batman from Outer Space was basically a sort of prepared defense mechanism. The psyche of Bruce Wayne was deactivated, which was supposed to leave Batman out of the field of play. Deactivated. But Bruce had anticipated this kind of conditioning, and had trained a secondary personality to answer this dillema, an identity secret from himself. To put it this way, this crazed Batman is what happens when Bruce Wayne is taken out of the persona of the Batman. Also Alfred got beaten up some more and said that the other guy wasn't really Thomas Wayne...

    Okay, so that might've made no sense if you're just reading it like that, but I promise you it is all due to my drowsy mind and slight lack of effort. It is all pretty much clear in the actual reading. Bruce Wayne isn't home in the Batman body, so his other identity emerges.
  6. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    Holy crap Batman is bad ass.
  7. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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    BATMAN #682
    Written by Grant Morrison
    Art by Lee Garbett
    Cover by Alex Ross
    Variant cover by Tony Daniel
    Two issues of BATMAN in one month! Now that ?Batman R.I.P.? has concluded, the aftermath begins! If you thought mastermind writer Grant Morrison surprised you with ?R.I.P.?, just wait until you see what he has planned for this retrospective story. In his last hours, Alfred the Butler tells the life story of the Batman as you've never seen it before in this two-part adventure which bridges the gap between the events of ?Batman R.I.P.?


    :eek:
  8. chiss_man Force Ghost

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    They wouldn't....would they? [face_worried]
  9. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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    Could be like #666, set in the future. I must say, though, its a great cover (not that I like the silver age or anything)
  10. EmeraldSpeedster Jedi Knight

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    I agree that it is probably a future thing, maybe even listed as something slightly less than canon to the universe as a whole. Sort of like "The End" stories that have been done. I really think that doing that absolutely for real would be a pointless development, although to be completely honest I probably wouldn't be as rushed to sign off the books as I might be in other circumstances. I would hope, as always, that it wouldn't happen though.
  11. Yodaminch Force Ghost

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    Another solicititation refers him as Sir Alfred Pennyworth so it's hopeful that it is just a future thing. I don't think they would really do it.
  12. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Why, they killed Alfred off in 1964. He only came back because of the live action television series.
  13. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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  14. EmeraldSpeedster Jedi Knight

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    Interesting... I'm a huge fan of the Batman there, not quite as big on the Joker, although it does fine enough. It just doesn't quite measure up to the awesomeness of that Batman depiction to me. The feeling of motion is conveyed very well in the cover to me.
  15. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    See, that's something of a cool concept, and applying that theory to interpretating the issue, it makes sense, but the problem is, I find it hard to believe most (at the very least, casual) readers would even remotely come to that conclusion based on the actual issue by itself. The whole RIP thing has been something of a mess of seemingly unconnected plotlines that have no clear relationship relative to one another. Not as bad as Final Crisis, mind you, but still annoying. Hopefully they'll collect the Detective Hush storyline separately as a trade as that's been the only interesting and coherent plotline amongst this crossover.
  16. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    What the hell are you talking about?

    They specifically say that's whats going on in the damn issue.

  17. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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    Erm... do casual readers buy comic books just to look at the art? Because as Soontir said this was fully explained in the issue it self, Bat-mite was explaining it to 'Batman' when he was washing his mouth after beating up those gargoyle henchmen.
    In fact I would even say the last issue felt like a recap on what's happening, with only a few new things being revealed.

    Also the RIP tie-ins have nothing to do with RIP itself nor does add anything to the story (unlike the Final Crisis tie ins) Its just to cash in on an obvious success.
  18. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    I think the RIP tie ins are going to show how the changes in Batman effect the rest of the books. And the Robin tie ins actually had some connection, as they explain what Robin was doing in between getting chased around by Swagman.
  19. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I must have missed that part, but I know I'm not the only one who had that impression. I'll try rereading the issue next chance I get.
  20. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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    I admit I forgot about Robin I was thinking of Detective Comics and Nightwing when I wrote my previous post. I still feel cheated when they say it's a tie in, especially if I compare it with Superman Beyond (now that's a tie in)

    Anyway according to them this is the cover for Batman #685

    Robin definitely looks like Damian, no idea who Batman is, he's too beefy and tall for Tim though
  21. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    So it looks like Nightwing RIP takes place after Batman RIP and that Bruce is missing
  22. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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    That felt like a quick fix to me especially considering it seems to contradict Two-Face's comment in the previous Nightwing issue.
    Still I'm wondering if it takes place after Final Crisis #2, where Batman has been kidnapped.
  23. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    Morrison says FC takes about a week after all current DCU titles.
  24. Soontir-Fel Force Ghost

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    From the current Robin issues and the Batman and the Outsiders RIP tie in, it looks like whatever happens in RIP leads to Bats leaving Gotham, and Gotham becoming an even more dangerous place.

    And it looks like all the RIP tie ins except for Detective (which happens prior to) and Robin (which happens during) take place after RIP proper.
  25. Darth_Omega Force Ghost

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    Outsiders had some spoilers. Such as Suits of Sorrow is missing from the Batcave, so the Al Ghuls are involved in all of this. Jeremiah Arkham also indicated that Joker and Black Glove were two separate entities, of course he was unconscious so his views aren't exactly accurate.
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