Discussion in 'Community' started by Juliet316, Feb 3, 2006.
Ah, thanks for that clarification.
Yeah the warp scale was redone when TNG came out. I saw that article on wikipedia a while back. Great article. Fascinating as well.
Except TNG screwed it up in All Good Things, when Riker orders the futuristic Enterprise to go at Warp 13. It's either another re-scale, or just another part of the make-believe future.
Gonna make a special single update today because of the episode in question:
206- The Doomsday Machine:
-Premise: The Enterprise discovers the wreck of another starship left in the wake of a massive planet killer weapon.
-T2Q Comments: Ok, wow. I never saw this one before (though I had heard of it). This surprised the heck out of me- with exception to Decker's acting (which ranges from pretty good to over-the-top-funny-faces-awfulness), there's really nothing that flawed about this episode. It's easily the only TOS episode I've watched so far that is practically on the same level of quality and watchability as the modern Trek shows and films.
It's something almost anyone could watch without requiring either a dose of nostalgia or "taking the time it was made" considerations and excuses into account (well, outside the FX, perhaps, but thats a minor detail)- something I really didn't think any TOS episode was capable of (sure, some came close, but were always hindered by some dose of 60's syndrome cheesiness, from either a minor overall tone or moment, or whole scenes that just make you want to scream in agony).
I really can't wait to see the remastered version of this episode when it airs in February. They sure as hell better not be oo slavishly loyal to the original FX shots, as there's potential for some incredible shots here. I don't want to just see scale corrections and missing ships added.
Bottomline- not just "Definitey Essential", but being easily the best episode of the series, it's absolutely essential.
Interesting note that Decker's son appears in Star Trek 1 (though this doesn't effect TDM's classification for how essential it is as, spoiler alert!, Star Trek: The Motionless Picture will not be getting an "essential" ranking by me ).
The books have done a few attempts at elaborating on the Doomsday machines as well- some seem to establish them as a weapon created by an ancient race (designated by the Borg as Species 4672), possibly The Preservers (mentioned in a season 3 episode), to use against the Borg (to destroy worlds assimilated by the Borg). There is speculation that the galactic barrier surrounding the galaxy was created (also possibly by The Preservers) to keep these Planet Killers out- though at least one or two slipped in, it seems. In a comic, Voyager had to deal with one of them, though their attempts to recreate Kirk's stunt failed, they eventually defeated it using a nanoprobe virus.
Doomsday Machine is a classic Trek episode.
If you're familiar with Star Trek: New Voyages, the first episode also deals with Doomsday Machines(including an old Matt Decker)
208- I, Mudd:
-Premise: An android takes over the Enterprise and forces Kirk and crew down to a planet of other androids seemingly led by Harry Mudd
-T2Q Comments: Surprisingly, this one wasn't quite as unbearable as Mudd's Women and was obviously TOS's attempt at a comedy episode. It kinda works at times, but is basicly a cartoon sitcom type approach (though Spock's "I love you, but I hate you" line is pretty funny). Also, Uhura's love with immortality comes outta nowhere- must have picked that up in her 2 hour college reeducation... Oh, and Kirk: 4, Computers: 0- yet another machine talked to death by Jimmy boy.
I'll be generous and say it's an "Ok Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential" and, really, that's about the highest it could ever get because otherwise it requires one to have seen Mudd's Women/raikse that episodes classification, and that just isn't going to happen
-Premise: Kirk, Spock and McCoy escort a Federation diplomat who has fallen ill to a serious disease back to the Enterprise, but are forced down to a habitable asteroid by an alin force called The Companion, where they discover a young Zephrane Cochrane
-T2Q Comments: I was pretty surprised to see Cochrane pop up here- i was under the impression he was invented for First Contact, but apparently not. There's apparently a reference to his dissapearance in an Enterprise episode as well, so it kinda all ties together at least.
The episode itself isn't too bad up until the end where it kinda falls apart with the tacked on love story.
With the Cochrane connection, I'll go with "Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good" (a category that's been somewhat bare up until now, only joined by Arena)
210- Journey to Babel:
-Premise: The Enterprise carries several diplomats to an important conference, including Spock's parents- but someone onboard wishes to disrupt the conference and is in contact with a fast and mysterious ship trailing the Enterprise.
-T2Q Comments: Surprisingly good episode- we meet Spock's father (though it's kinda odd to have known him playing the Romulan commander in Balance of Terror) and mother, as well Andorians and Tellorites (the other two founding Federation races besides Humans and Vulcans). Having only primarily known the Andorians through the recurring character on Enterprise, I was pleased to see this still matched the somewhat quirky speech style and look to the Andorians in this episode that that actor on Enterprise injected into his performance. Bones' "Shh! Shh!" at the end was kinda funny too.
With the various core races, especially given the episodes on Enterprise and Sarek's role in future Trek stories, gonna have to give this one a "Definitely Essential" ranking. Looking forward to the remastere dversion hitting soon (the preview of which is up online and shows some promising shots, including the shuttle landing sequence, the Enterprise's pahsers tracking in an attempt to hit the Orion ship, as well as the interesting redesign of the Orion ship itself- which is still a pinwheel of lights, but actually looks like a ship now).
Up next, 211: Friday's Child, 212: The Deadly Years and 213: Obsession.
I, Mudd: For some reason, I thought I, Mudd was the first episode with Mudd. Ah well... my rememberer must not be working right. Yeah, I thought this was a nice reprisal of Mudd's character. I like this one much more than the first Mudd episode. This is the one where they confuse the crap out of the male android at the end right? Yeah, that was pretty funny, I thought. I loved the writing for the end sequence where "just say the dumbest possible thing to confuse the computer". One of the better endings, IMO.
Metamophosis: I had seen the TNG episodes prior to seeing all of TOS, and Jeordi made one or two comments about Cochrane. One was about Cochrane himself, and the other is a reference to a warp engine design named after Cochrane. But I was surprised as well to see that he traced that far back as well. But yeah, the whole love story ending thing was kinda odd. It could have been better.
Journey to Babel: I thought this was one of the better episodes of the entire series, and it's a story line that continued all the way up through the movies and the TNG series (in world chonology). It's story is definitely part of essential Star Trek lore.
I own Space Seed. I'm interested in seeing the redone version of this.
And finally we have the remastered Doomsday Machine! They did a really good job with this one.
Updated FX Reel Video
Nice job on the red X's.
I see them fine.
That has to be the best I've seen so far of the updated versions.
LOL... I remember the original. They had 4 constitution class ships, and the whole time it looked like they tiled 4 of the same identical shots on the screen.. which is probably what they did.
Actually, they would often use 4 different models - all of them originally of the Enterprise (AMT's model kit of the Enterprise, in fact). If you look closely, most of the ones shown on screen have the digits 1701 rearranged. (The Constellation was 1017, the Yorktown was 1717, the Constitution was 1700, ans so forth.) That was because the only numbers that came with the kit were 1701.
Man, my bad... I totally had the wrong episode on that. The episode I'm thinking of was the training mission when the Enterprise had the new computer installed. The Ultimate Computer. That's the one where the image of the four Constitution Class ships looks like it's the same shot tiled.
This past weekend's remastered episode was Amok Time, which had only a few, though rather notable, new FX shots, which includes some new establishing shots of the Vuclan landscape more in tune with what we see in the subsequent films and series.
Apparently they evn considered color-correcting the Vulcan sky to be less red like it is in it's other appearances, but it would have proved too costly.
211: Friday's Child:
-Premise: Kirk, Spock and McCoy must flee with a pregnant woman after an attempt to establish a mining treaty with the local population is interrupted by Klingon manpulation.
-T2Q Comments: Someone call Q- more people have stolen headwear from his silly hats collection. Overall, this ep was kinda dull- didn't care for the intrigue, though I give the episode credit for having a semi-strong female character for once (the slapping scene between her and McCoy in particular). The cuchie-coo humor at the end sucks though. Groan-inducing, that. Scotty's subplot with the Klingon ship doesn't add up to much in the long run as well, though it does serve it's purpose, it's almost filler in a way, though it had potential to be more.
Despite the presence of Klingons, not much here worth seeing. The Klingons make it borderline "Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good", but could easily be downgraded to "Average" or "Ok".
212: The Deadly Years:
-Premise: The command staff is infected with a disease that causes rapid aging, Commodore Stocker must consider taking command from Kirk when faced with a link of the disease to the Romulans.
-T2Q Comments: First off, the aging makeup is obviosuly not very convincing (Shatner's hairline would never receed ! ). Beyond that, the actual aging and onsetting senility to the characters comes across as silly, but there are a few decent elements here. There's a fun throwback reference to the Corbomite Manuever here, the "I'm going to run out of samples" line by Chechov was good, and Commodore Stocker is a pretty decent character, probably the best Starfleet command character we've seen above Kirk- more low key is his demeanor, and lacking the over-the-top expressions that Decker's actor was prone to. It's a shame the script forced artifical stupidity upon Stocker just so Kirk would seem to be smarter, though he wasn't (for the most part) in this case. It's annoying, really. Looking forward to seeing this one remastered, as the battle with the Romulan ships could prove to be pretty neat.
Due to the Romulan connection, I'll rank this one as "Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good"- and is certainly on more solid footing than Friday's Child.
-Premise: Kirk becomes obsessed with hunting down a gaseous creature he previously encountered more than a decade earlier when it killed many of his fellow crew on his first assignment after the academy.
-T2Q Comments: Though the Ahab obsession storyline will eventually be done far better later on in First Contact by Picard, this episode does a pretty good job with it, and though it almost falls into the typical cliche of "obsession turns character into irrational, snappy, angry and paranoid person", it manages to pull itself back from teetering on the edge of that abyss (during the "conspire" scene on the bridge). The characterizations here are quite solid, and no 60's-cringe moments. Also, what a shocker- a named Red Shirt actually survives the episode, and wasn't annoying either! And, I must say, that big rock that's supposed to be 20 times harder than diamonds sounds an awful lot like a hollow wooden box when Kirk knocks on it- you'd think the sound effects people could have easily done something about that.
Doesn't tie into anything much (other than yet another "Kirk's Academy years" backstory element the next movie will probably have to stumble around or through ), but a reccomended epiosde nonethless- "Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential".
214: Wolf in the Fold:
-Premise: Scotty is the prime suspect in a series of murders he remembers nothing about.
-T2Q Comments: An ok, if a tad cheesy, murder mystery- it's obvious it's not Scotty throughout the episode though and the allowance of circumstances that permitted the followup murders was a bit silly (how about we keep Scotty locked up instead of next to women who have a tendancy to end up dead when alone with him?). I liked Hengist as a character, though he devolution
217: A Piece of the Action:
-Premise: Kirk, Spock and Bones are caught in between rival criminal syndicates on a world that has developed around the notions of 1920s Earth gangsters.
-T2Q Comments: First of a few "time period planet of the week" episodes, essentially having an implausible scenario of a planet mimicing some period of Earth culture as a means to avoid doing another time travel story, even thoguh they are essentially some form of time travel story at heart.
This particular one is silly (particularly when Kirk assumes the dialect), but funny and overall enjoyable. Apparently there is a setup to this episode in Enterprise with the Horizon being shown (including a copy of the Gangsters book aboard).
Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good. (though it's borderline with the Good category as well)
218: The Immunity Syndrome:
-Premise: The Enterprise must destroy an enormous space amoeba before it reproduces and threatens known space
-T2Q Comments: Good space creature problem type episode. Though yet another entire star system or two destroyed. Tarkin would be proud.
Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential, though potentially average.
219: A Private Little War:
-Premise: Klingon interference on a previous Eden-esque planet, through the introduction of firearms, begins a conflict amongst the locals that Kirk and McCoy must attempt to resume a balance between.
-T2Q Comments: Ok, that first Evil White Horny Monkey jumping outta nowhere made me jump a bit, I'll admit. Slap, your Spock up. Slap, your Spock up. A nice downer ending that they don't try to lessen by adding last second cheap humor, though the Eden parable gets a little heavy handed.
I'll also place this one aongst the "Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential" category, though the Klingon presence makes it borderline Essential.
Up next, 220: Return to Tommorow, 221: Patterns of Force and 222: By Any Other Name.
220: Return to Tommorow:
-Premise: The Enterprise discovers three discorporeal intelligences who seek their help in gaining physical bodies...but one of them has plans of his own.
-T2Q Comments: There's a female crewmember! Quick! Romantic music ASAP! gasp! Spock seems surprised to have encountered a being of energy- but, they've encounetred, like, 4 already... Kirk's little board room speech is delivered just as ham-fisted as his Constitution delivery in The Omega Glory, but with the music, it just about works as a cheesy uplifting leader speech...until it ends with "get ready to beam aboard three recepticles" ; though it has a weak setup, the middle part of this episode almost plays out like an average episode of Stargate, until the inevitable "saw it coming" betrayal. Also, where do Kirk and the chick's mind go at the end while their bodies are being used? The two beings choosing to kill themselves also seems out of character- you don't fight for survival for a million years and then just give up like that. Come to think of it, this episode is basicly a less annoying remake of What Little Girls Are Made Of?
Still, it's not a bad episode overall, so I'll classify it as "Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential"
Interesting sidenote- the actress playing the Dr. Anne Mulhall character would later play Dr. Pulaski on TNG.
221: Patterns of Force:
-Premise: The Enterprise seeks out a historical researcher with whom the Federation has lost contact, and discover he has contaminated a culture, remaking it into a near-duplicate of Nazi Germany
-T2Q Comments: Ah, the Nazi episode. While having the potential to be bad, actually ends up being the best of the three "time-period planet of the week" episodes in this season. At least it's explained and not just merely coincidental (as in theupcoming Bread and Circuses), dependent on a specific alien trait (as in the A Piece of the Action mimicing traits of that planet's people) ir just plain frelling stupid (The Omega Glory, oh how you'll never hear the end of that from me, yes, my little pet, your pain shall be unending for my eternal amusement. Wait, where was I again? Oh yeah, Nazis.). Amusing line from Spock to Kirk: "You should make a very convincing Nazi".
Gonna also go with "Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential" for this one.
222: By Any Other Name:
-Premise: The Enterprise's command crew must thwart an invasion by aliens from another galaxy called Kelvins who plan to conquer this one.
-T2Q Comments: There's mention of the galactic energy barrier and how Kirk and crew had been there already (from Where No Man Has Gone Before, which might retroactively upgrade that episode's status) and a less obvious reference to A Taste of Armageddon" when Spock used a mind ability to trick a guard through a wall; The "gold Kelvin chick" looks like DS9's Dax's daughter; Kirk's "are you mad?" reaction to the suggestion they destroy the enterprise to stop the enemy that has taken over her is amusing given Star Trek III's events. Gotta wonder why Scotty doesn't just beam either the transmitter or the Kelvins into space. So they try to stimulate human senses in the Kelvins- McCoy through food, Scotty through liquor, Spock through psychological manipulation and Kirk...through seduction that's just so silly it's great.
The episode overall is pretty good, though, but is harmed by a semi-abrupt ending which has a "we're not sure how to really resolve this so lets just finish here" sense to it. The episode actually has a near-series-finale feel to it, what with the Enterprise coming full circle to the galactic barrier and all from the 2nd pilot.
Gonna stretch things a bit and give this a "Definitely Essential" classification.
223: The Omega Glory:
-Premise: After discovering the USS Exeter adrift and her crew reduced to crystalized remains, Kirk, Spock and McCoy (ok, and a Red Shirt- guess what happens to him ) are infected by the same agent that killed the Exeter's crew and are
224: The Ultimate Computer:
-Premise: Starfleet uses the Enterprise to test a new super-sophisticated computer, but it soon develops a mind of its own.
-T2Q Comments: Hmm, with this episode title, I wonder what Kirk's gonna do in this episode...yep, you guessed it- he'll talk the computer to death- Kirk: 4, Computers: 0. So yeah, basicly we have a Skynet situation aboard the Enterprise, with the computer's creator slowly going nuts because he's so devoted to it. The direction and camera angles are a bit too over the top and cheesy, but is a bit different than the norm for this series. There's actually some very good character inetraction and dialogue between the main three that works very well. Daystrom,the scientist, goes from being an interesting character to just pathetic, so that's a bit of a dissapointment. It was neat to see 4 Constitution ships on screen at once, and this whole war games scenario could be quite awesome when they get to it in the remastered series.
So this ends up beinga bit mixed in the end, but still entertaining. With Daystrom apaprently being mentioned a lot in later Trek shows, I'll note this one as "Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good"
225: Bread and Circuses:
-Premise: The Enterprise encounters a planet whose culture is patterned on ancient Rome... and holds gladiatorial games that Kirk, Spock, and McCoy must fight in.
-T2Q Comments: The third "time frame planet of the week" episode. Funny how in "Patterns of Force", Spock said it'd be almost impossible for a planet to develop exactly like a period in Earth history, using the same uniforms and iconography, yet here he has no problem with it happening. The episode isn't too bad- less annoying than "A Piece of the Action", as ludicris as the episode's premise is and it's blatant mnature as an excuse to get the characters into another gladiatorial-type battle.
226: Assignment Earth:
-Premise: Kirk must decide whether to thwart or help a traveller sent to 1960s Earth on a secret mission.
-T2Q Comments: This one was obviously a potential spinoff pilot, but not in a bad way- I would have liked to have seen this series happen. Overall this is a very solid little time travel episode, though it seems to treat time travel as a bit more routine than usual.
Up next- Season 3!
So, as I come to the end of this season, I'll recap my journey so far:
110: The Corbomite Maneuver
114: Balance of Terror
119: Tommorow is Yesterday
122: Space Seed
126: Errand of Mercy
201: Amok Time
204: Mirror, Mirror
206: The Doomsday Machine
210: Journey to Babel
215: The Trouble With Tribbles
222: By Any Other Name
Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good:
211: Friday's Child
212: The Deadly Years
217: A Piece of the Action
224: The Ultimate Computer
225: Bread and Circuses
Good Episodes, But Not Necessarily Essential:
127: The Alternative Factor
128: The City of the Edge of Forever
203: The Changeling
218: The Immunity Syndrome
219: A Private Little War
221: Patterns of Force
220: Return to Tommorow
226: Assignment Earth
Will Be Revisited & Reclassified:
107: What Are Little Girls Made Of?
109: Dagger of the Mind
113: The Conscience of the King
116: The Galileo Seven
117: The Squire of Gothos
121: The Return of the Archons
123: A Taste of Armageddo
125: Devil in the Dark
214: Wolf in the Fold
225: Bread and Circuses
Ok Episodes, But Not Necessarily Essential:
100: The Cage
104: The Naked Time
105: The Enemy Within
111: The Menagerie
112: The Menagerie
124: This Side of Paradise
202: Who Mourns For Adonais
205: The Apple
208: I, Mudd
216: The Gamesters of Triskelion
103: Where No Man Has Gone Before
115: Shore Leave
120: Court Martial
223: The Omega Glory
101: The Man Trap
102: Charlie X
106: Mudd's Women
Time Travel Log:
-TOS: The City on
Upping for a very exciting announcement.
The Menagerie+big screen=win
I plan on hitting this. It's showing in four theaters near me! Since this will be remastered, with new effects and score, could it be considered a Star Trek theatrical release movie?
Star Trek .5?
Put it in the boxset before STTMP, like a prequel
Quoted for truth. If its playing in Halifax, I want to see it.
It's playing here in Richmond (VA) which I can't beleive!!
I was gonna make a post, but you guys beat me to it. I think it's pretty damn cool.
12.50 is a little high...but what the hell?? right?
I wish they had chosen a better episode to do this with- Menagerie wasn't really all that good. Would have been a much better "must see" event if they had gone with 2 other episodes like Doomsday Machine and Space Seed, or Corbomite Manuever and Balance of Terror. I just have no inclination to pay to see Menagerie.
They probably chose The Menagerie becuase its the only TOS two parter, which means that its almost long enough to give viewers a movie experience.