Amph Beleriand Tales: The Discussion of the first age of the Middle Earth

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  1. Kyptastic VIP

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    Earendil did have a personal stake in them, considering that they belonged to his wife Elwings family, and the sons of Feanor were willing to slay them to get them back. But he did prove himself virtuous enough to hold one for eternity.

    Ps. How do you get those dots above letters?
  2. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    I know we were talking about Valars, but I propose to pick our favourite Maiars too.

    Tulkas - he has a cool laughter. Melian was also the one character that has always intrigued me. I read Silmarillion after I've read LOTR trilogy. In LOTR, Galadriel has been one of my favourite characters, and Melian is Galadriel 'mentor'. Very cool.

    How do you get those dots above letters?

    AltGr + ' makes ¨ --- after you've typed that, type the letter on which you want to put those marks.
    Aulë
  3. Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Grand Master

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    Please let me finish ROTK!!!! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!

  4. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    Can't take what? Silmarillion has (almost) nothing to do with the ROTK... :confused:
  5. Cobranaconda Force Ghost

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    Yeah, but if she finishes ROTK then she can start the Silmarillion :p
  6. Raja_Io Force Ghost

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    Just don't read it, Jada [face_devil]


    The dots thing wouldn't work for me. I always use it in Word, but now it just wouldn't work.
  7. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    Ones most useful for Tolkien names are:

    Alt + 130 é
    132 ä
    137 ë
    148 ö
    163 ú
    162 ó
    161 í
    160 á

    These are basic Windows codes as far as I know, and for me they work in pretty much all programs. :)
  8. TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod

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    By the way, I meant Maedhros. Still fuzzy on what he actually did, though, but oh well...
  9. Raja_Io Force Ghost

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    A couple of folks picked Maedhros, I guess some information about him were posted here...
  10. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    Maedhros is eldest of Fëanor's sons, and the one who loses his right hand after Morgoth captures him and hangs him off the front face of Thangorodrim by it. The chain can't be broken, so eventually his rescuer (I can't remember straight off who, and I've lent my Silmarillion to someone)cuts Maedhros's hand off above the wrist to free him.

    I always thought that episode was fantastic. Maedhros is a cool character, and seems to be the only genuinely intelligent one of Fëanor's brood. A great general and fine warrior who had the misfortune to be born to a father with an ego problem. :p
  11. Kyptastic VIP

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    He seemed to be the only one who could fight the will of the oath of Feanor. However, it was better that he passed on the Kingship - Fingolfin was the better leader. My favourite of the elves, in fact.
  12. Raja_Io Force Ghost

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    Yeah, cutting the hand off was a great idea. A bit of macabre here and there have never hurted killed anyone :D

    Maedhros is a cool character, and seems to be the only genuinely intelligent one of Fëanor's brood.

    Agreed. I loved the character of Feanaro, however I adored the breed. Too much of them, I suppose. I guess how did it happen while Feanor and Nerdanel have become estranged from each other quite soon [face_thinking] :p
  13. Kyptastic VIP

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    There were 3 ages of stars after the Elves came to the undying lands, each a few thousand years (I think) so seven children doesn't sound like too great a task.

    Elves don't believe in 'populate or perish' it seems
  14. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    They're the next thing to immortal, so even if the bi-millennial battles wipe out a few hundred or thousand, there's plenty left and plenty of time to bring the population back up to normal. Plus, the seven sons Fëanor and Nerdanel did produce seems like quite a lot of kids. And they cause enough trouble for ten times as many people [face_plain]
  15. Kyptastic VIP

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    The only one that I can seem to recall is Celebrimbor, son of Curufin. I thought the others didn't have children.
  16. Raja_Io Force Ghost

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    Yeah I don't remember any of Feanor's grandchildren either... [face_thinking]

  17. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    Yeah, Celebrimbor was the only grandson of Feänor. He is the maker of the 3 Elven Rings.

    Maedhros is a very cool character. It is very tragic, though, becouse he is very intelligent and not so blinded by the Oath and the revenge as much as some of his brothers, but in the end he didn't have a choice. The Oath could never be broken and payed the price for his father's sins.
  18. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    I think Maedhros and Maglor got the rawest deal out of Fëanor's sons; Maglor we don't know as much about, but when he does get a mention he seems like a contemplative, aesthetic kind rather than a warrior - nothing like his dad.

    Of the other five, Caranthir isn't around much, Amrod and Amras likewise; Celegorm and Curufin get plenty of narrative, but mainly for the wrong things. It's those two that seem to have inherited Fëanor's ego and his stubbornness - that total refusal to admit a) that the world does not revolve around them and b) that they might be wrong. Although despite being unpleasant, Curufin always struck me as an interesting character; clever and rather more of a schemer than most other Elves. Definitely the brains of the pair - Celegorm isn't much more than an arrogant thug.
  19. Kyptastic VIP

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    Maglor is still alive, isn't he.
  20. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    Y'know, I distinctly remember sorting this out earlier in this very thread :p

    Yes, he is.
  21. Cobranaconda Force Ghost

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    I just finished it. The first half I only half understood (Probably due to being tired and my habit of skim reading boring bits, and getting distracted), and as such didn't like. However, everything from Turin and Nienor onwards was brilliant. Although I couldn't help but laugh at some bits (What you get for having read the psuedo-Monty Python 15 minute version before the actual book :p )

    I didn't really like Maglor or Maedhros, I got the impression that they were going along all too freely, although Tolkien's style doesn't take a form of which individuals thoughts are able to be presented. Fëanor and all of his sons I didn't like much. I think that the best character was Maeglin, just because he seemed like he knew what he was doing, even when he betrayed Gondolin. Beren and Luthien just plain rule :p Finrod was also a good charcter.

    Still, the best bit has got to be:

    NIENOR: You mean he's really my brother? Ewwwww!!! *jumps off cliff*

    TURIN: You mean she really was my sister? Ewwwww!!! *jumps onto sword*

    :p
  22. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    I don't think I'll ever read that part the same way again . . . :oops:
  23. Raja_Io Force Ghost

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    Just burn, OK?

    And you see, you should not say that Beren and Luthien rule either. [face_shame_on_you]
  24. JediNemesis Jedi Master

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    Indeed. This is a SERIOUS THREAD.
  25. Cobranaconda Force Ghost

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    Is it?

    Have this then :p

    THE ENTIRE SILMARILLION OF J. R. R. TOLKIEN IN ONE THOUSAND WORDS.


    AINULINDALE:

    ILUVATAR: Ahem.
    AINUR: Wow! Existence!
    ILUVATAR: *blows pitch pipe* LA!
    AINUR: LA LA LA!
    ILUVATAR: LA LA!
    AINUR: LA LA!
    MELKOR: This sucks. BUM BUM BA DUM!
    AINUR: Um. . . la?
    ILUVATAR: Ahem. LA!
    MELKOR: Boop bop-a-doo-bop!
    ILUVATAR: LA, dammit.
    MELKOR: Bwam bardle ningle boom.
    AINUR: . . .
    ILUVATAR: Right, you're out of the band.
    MELKOR: Fine, I was leaving anyway.
    AINUR: . . .
    ILUVATAR: What are you waiting for?
    AINUR: Oh. Right. Newly created world. Sorry. Great jam session, big guy!
    ILUVATAR: Yeesh.



    VALAQUENTA:

    MANWE: I'm in charge!
    VARDA: I'm Manwe's spouse. And queen of the stars!
    NAMO: I do death and fate. They call me Mandos.
    VAIRE: I'm Namo's spouse. I weave things.
    IRMO: I have gardens. They call me Lorien.
    ESTE: I'm Irmo's spouse. I take care of the gardens.
    YAVANNA: I make things grow.
    NIENNA: I'm sad.
    ULMO: I live in the ocean.
    AULE: I'm Yavanna's spouse. I've got a great big hammer! I made dwarves.
    NESSA: I dance.
    OROME: I hunt!
    VANA: I'm Orome's spouse. I make living things happy.
    TULKAS: I'm strong. I'm Nessa's spouse. I got here last.
    MELKOR: I'm bad, momma, I'm ONE BAD MUTHA-
    TULKAS: Grar.
    MELKOR: Um. Yeah. Hiding now.



    QUENTA SILMARILLION:

    VALAR: Hey! Ilmaren! Party on the island, everyone!
    MELKOR: Bah. Too bright. *builds fortress, kicks over lamps*
    VALAR: AUGH! *flee to west*
    MELKOR: Hu hu hu.
    VALAR: Oooooh SHINY TREES! Yavanna made shiny trees!
    YAVANNA: Yep! Aren't they pretty?
    MELKOR: Want shiny.
    VALAR: Nope.
    MELKOR: Why not?
    VALAR: Because you're a jerk.
    ELVES: Oh hey, stars. Shiny!
    MELKOR: Oh hey, breeding stock.
    ELVES: AUGH!
    UNGOLIANT: Want shiny.
    MELKOR: Let's go get shiny.
    FEANOR: I've made more shiny!
    VALAR: Good, 'cos Melkor took ours. Can we have yours?
    FEANOR: No! MY SHINIES! MINE!
    VALAR: Aw, !&*()!@&)!(&.
    MELKOR: Got the shinies!
    UNGOLIANT: Not enough shiny. Want more shiny!
    MELKOR: You can't have 'em.
    UNGOLIANT: Grar.
    MELKOR: Eeek! *runs*
    FEANOR AND SONS: We're gettin' our shinies back. And YOU CAN'T HAVE 'EM, Valar!
    MELKOR/MORGOTH: No you're not. *stabbity fiery burny death*
    BEREN: Ooo! Pretty elf lady!
    THINGOL: You can have her if you ... BRING ME A SHINY!
    BEREN: Worth a shot.
    LUTHIEN: La la la
    MORGOTH: Ooo baby... *zzz*
    BEREN: Got your shiny!
    MORGOTH: you BASTARD! I stole those fair and square!
    CARCHAROTH: Grar.
    BEREN: Ow!
    THINGOL: Got the shiny?
    BEREN: 's in my hand.
    THINGOL: And?
    BEREN: Hand's not here.
    THINGOL: ****, I really wanted that shiny.
    CARCHAROTH: GRAR!!!!
    BEREN: *dies*
    LUTHIEN: *dies* La la la.
    MANDOS: ... oh all right.
    LUTHIEN: *returns to life*
    BEREN: *returns to life*
    LUTHIEN: Beren! Look! The shiny! In a necklace!
    FEANOR'S SONS: *mutter*
    LUTHIEN: *dies again*
    BEREN: *dies again*
    DIOR: Oo, Mom's shiny!
    FEANOR'S SONS: WANT SHINY!
    DIOR: *dies*
    ELWING: Eek! *grabs shiny, runs*
    FEANOR'S SONS: !*&(!)&)*!.
    EARENDIL: Hey. Nice shiny. Yo! Valar!
    VALAR: Well FINALLY. *stomp stomp stomp*
    EARENDIL: Wow, planetary orbit!
    MORGOTH: Eek!
    VALAR: Got your shinies!
    MAGLOR AND MAEDHROS: You mean OUR shinies!
    VALAR: Oh *!&(!&).
    MAGLOR AND MAEDHROS: Ow! Burny shinies!
    MAEDHROS: Fine. This sucks. *jumps into chasm*
    MAGLOR: Um... not really looking forward to meeting Dad again... *chucks shiny into sea* Bye. *wanders off*
    VALAR: Well... um... okay.



    AKALLABETH:

    VALAR: Thanks for helping with Morgoth, Edain! Have an island! Elros is in charge!
    EDAIN: Cool!
    VALAR: Don't come looking for us.
    EDAIN: Okay.
    ELVES OF TOL ERESSEA: Have our stuff!
    NUMENOREANS: Neat! Ooo, Middle-Earth!
    GIL-GALAD: Dudes. Good to see you.
    NUMENOREANS: Yeah, same here. What's going on?
    GIL-GALAD: War with Sauron mostly.
    MEN OF MIDDLE-EARTH: Shiny tall wonderful wise sea-king dudes! Yay!
    NUMENOREANS: Here, have some stuff and wisdom.
    MEN OF MIDDLE-EARTH: <3 <3 <3
    NUMENOREANS: Life is cool. Why do we have to die?
    ELVES: You're human?
    NUMENOREANS: Can the Valar fix that
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