CT Ben Kenobi?! Who is he?!

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by There_Are_Four_Lights, Jul 4, 2014.

Moderators: Darth_Nub, MOC Yak Face
  1. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 6, 2004
    star 4
    I'm sure there 's an element of that, but the statement fits in with several other things which convey the fact that in ANH, Ben is old.
    Skywalker Thing likes this.
  2. Among the Clouds Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 18, 2001
    star 4
    Or, they could have just made Obi-Wan older in the PT. I can overlook the Ben Kenobi thing a little bit and chalk it up to Bail and Leia having been in on his alias, but his dramatic aging in 19 years (harsh conditions of Tatooine or not) is a tougher pill to swallow.
  3. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Mar 4, 2011
    star 7
    I just assumed that Bail told Leia that Obi-Wan was in hiding and not using his real name.
  4. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 5, 2011
    star 5
    I was far too excited to care, I've never thought about it until now. Actually, I still haven't thought about it.
    Last edited by CT-867-5309, Jul 10, 2014
    fett 4 and anakinfansince1983 like this.
  5. DarthIshyZ Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 8, 2005
    star 3
    Let's think about this...
    - Obi-Wan has, in Ep IV, been waiting in the desert for 19 years. He's 63 years old (1977-1914). He's blown up a bridge over the river Quai and been in ANOTHER desert with someone named Lawrence (presumably another Jedi?). Probably beat his body to heck during those missions, too!
    - Qui-Gon, in Ep I, has probably been training pretty regularly in the Jedi Temple. He's 47 years old (1999-1952). So, 16 years younger than Obi-Wan. Other than caring for and releasing a bunch of, ummm, Wookiees (can't think of another slave-race in the GFFA, apologies) in a Republic concentration camp (certainly a worthy cause), the only adventure he's had was looking for the Holy Grail while wearing Mandalorian armor. And that last one was 18 years ago!
    I think Old Ben has reason to be a bit rickety in his last swordfight.
    Iron_lord likes this.
  6. The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 10, 2011
    star 4

    I don't think it's inconsistent at all. Qui-Gon in Episode I is about the same age as Obi-Wan in Episode IV, and it turns out he was also too old to be facing a Sith Lord. Yoda is an alien, and also one of the most powerful Force users alive. Count Dooku is a practitioner of the dark side who draws on the Force to make himself more agile than would otherwise be fitting or natural for a man his age.
  7. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 6, 2004
    star 4
    I don't dispute any of what you say about age in SW, in universe and post ANH. In that particular film, however, Kenobi is clearly meant to be old and past his prime. Trying to find ways of saying otherwise simply draws more attention to the fact than accepting, but not focusing on, the inconsistency.
  8. Hoggsquattle Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 7, 2009
    star 4

    Leia is a very intelligent person and a woman of action.

    She is smart enough to figure out that Ben Kenobi and Obi-Wan Kenobi are most likely the same person since it makes sense for the fugitive Jedi to have partially changed his name but at the same time not completely so as to be found by Bail Organa - at the very least if not an alias, then a relative

    Also, the guy who is clearly not a stormtrooper yet has infiltrated a heavily guarded Imperial space station is probably a rare chance at escape

    She knows the questions can wait
    Iron_lord likes this.
  9. Beezer Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jul 5, 2013
    star 4
    He was also beheaded during the English Civil War. So maybe he was just a force ghost all along.
    DarthIshyZ and Darth_Nub like this.
  10. DRush76 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 25, 2008
    star 4

    Obi-Wan Kenobi was in his late 50s in ANH. Alec Guiness was in his early 60s when he portrayed the character in the movie.


    I heartily disagree. Both Count Dooku and Yoda were older in the movie and quite capable of facing a skilled opponent in a lightsaber duel. Besides . . . Qui-Gon gave Maul a lot of trouble in the movie. The latter ended up resorting to a "tricky Dick" move in order to defeat Qui-Gon.
    Last edited by DRush76, Jul 14, 2014
    Iron_lord likes this.
  11. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 6, 2004
    star 4
    I suspect that at the time at which ANH was actually made the intention was that Kenobi was considerably older than his late 50s.The dialogue of a number of characters, including Kenobi, is indicative of this.
    Ord-Mantell70 likes this.
  12. Ord-Mantell70 Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Mar 9, 2009
    star 3
    That's very likely...Closer to his mid 70's than 57 at least :

    - "old Ben"
    - "He's just a crazy old man"
    - "I'm getting too old for this sort of things"
    - "Where did you dig up that old fossil ?" (more of a joke, ok)
    - "Your powers are weak, old man"
    Last edited by Ord-Mantell70, Jul 14, 2014
    MOC Yak Face likes this.
  13. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 6, 2004
    star 4

    Exactly. Throw in "He's not dead. Not yet," and Tarkin's view that surely Obiwan would be dead by now, and you're looking at someone who's knocking on a bit I'd say.
  14. VadersLaMent Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Apr 3, 2002
    star 9
    "By the Force! This guy just runs in to the cell on the Death Star where I was prisoner and says he's here to rescue me but I am hesitant to go because he did not get the first name right of the dude I was looking for on Tattooine!"--Said no imprisoned Leia ever.
  15. Ord-Mantell70 Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Mar 9, 2009
    star 3
    Didn't mention that one cause it seems more ambiguous, with Vader's reply ("Don't underestimate the Force"). Could mean Obi-Wan Kenobi was powerful and clever enough to escape the search/hunt since the Empire took over.

    But, yeah, added to the others, it just becomes a further hint.
    Last edited by Ord-Mantell70, Jul 14, 2014
    Iron_lord and MOC Yak Face like this.
  16. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Jan 6, 2004
    star 4
    Yes, good point. Although, on the other hand, if Kenobi had been killed in the hunt, Tarkin and Vader would probably have been informed.
  17. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    Maybe the food is good!
    DarthIshyZ likes this.
  18. Jarvis Binks Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Jun 24, 2014
    It's not such a leap to make from Obiwan to Ben Kenobi is it? Now, if Luke had said I'm here with "Mike Honcho", that's a different situation. To go or not to go with Mike Honcho?
  19. VadersFollower Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2011
    star 1
    I had always assumed she heard the name but simply said "who" because she couldnt believe at first that Obi Wan is really here
  20. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    Or she has magical telepathy.
Moderators: Darth_Nub, MOC Yak Face