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CT Better Pilot, Vader or Han ????

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Master Endz-One, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I know the Force helps Jedi and Sith with flying, but Han is clearly a better Pilot than Luke, Hera is clearly a better Pilot than Caleb and Ezra. After seeing both Vader's skills at Piloting and Han's skills with the Falcon, Who do you think is the better Pilot and Why ?
     
  2. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Force Ghost star 5

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    Anakin was more of a fighter pilot, while we've only seen Han fly the Millennium Falcon, so it's hard to judge one over the other.
     
  3. BookExogorth

    BookExogorth Jedi Master star 4

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    Han is clearly a better pilot then Luke?
     
  4. Seeker Of The Whills

    Seeker Of The Whills Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, Obi-Wan did call Anakin the "best starpilot in the galaxy."
     
  5. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Why would they offer Han so much money to get them out of Tatooine. Luke said they could buy a ship and he'll fly it, Obi-Wan clearly didn't go for it. The crew would've let Luke fly the Falcon if he was a better Pilot. Han's is definitely better than Obi-Wan. You see Han get everyone out of almost impossible situations and the Empire is nervous when Han moves toward the Star Destroyer. In the PT I didn't see Luke do anything great as a Pilot, only in the novel Heir to the Jedi I've seen Luke's flying skills. Luke had ships of his destroyed, Han has always kept the Falcon operational.
     
  6. Darth Voorhees

    Darth Voorhees Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I agree, Han Solo is THE BEST pilot in the galaxy. I mean he made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. (Ahem)
     
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  7. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Knight star 4

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    It depends. Han is a truck driver, Anakin is a racing driver.
     
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  8. BookExogorth

    BookExogorth Jedi Master star 4

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    They needed a pilot. You see how near the storm troopers are to getting them. They have no idea who Han Solo is.
    Obi-Wan knew that this was brashness on Luke's part, and that they couldn't count on his skills or getting a ship. Luke also hasn't tapped into the force yet.
    Do you think that Han's going to let some kid fly his ship?
    Not really relevant to this discussion.
    True, but so has Luke. What are you talking about in the second part? ESB?
    What?
    Ok.

    I think Han's one of the best pilots, but I think Luke's as good. I also think that Anakin's as good as both, with his landing of the Invisible Hand being what it was.
     
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  9. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It's a toss up to me, the things I've seen Anakin do in the PT are amazing. Vader in novels amazing and did great in the Battle of Yavin until Han shot his fighter. Han's skills with the Falcon got them out of impossible jams.


    The point of comparing Han and Hera as a Pilot to force users, is making a point that using the force doesn't make you a better Pilot.

    Han did let Lando use it and at times switch co pilots.


    As far as Luke's flying during the Battle of Yavin, he didn't do anything great. Luke had help from his team, he was in trouble during the Battle twice and without Han he wouldn't have successfully destroyed the Death Star. Luke did a really good job, but wasn't great in that Battle. I have to give Luke credit for hitting the shot though.
     
  10. cubman987

    cubman987 Your Friendly Neighborhood CT/PT/Saga Moderator star 6 Staff Member Moderator

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    Vader easily. Also by the time of ROTJ Luke is almost certainly a better pilon than Han.
     
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  11. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Han is a great pilot, but Vader is the greatest of all time.
     
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  12. Bob the X-Winger

    Bob the X-Winger Jedi Knight star 3

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    You don't get to be the chosen one for nothing.
     
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  13. Rickleo123

    Rickleo123 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Han has YEARS more experience than Luke so yes he's better. On the topic of Vader vs Han. I'd say Anakin in a close race. He was piloting since he was a boy and his force abilities made him beyond special.
     
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  14. DarthZ07

    DarthZ07 Jedi Master star 2

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  15. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Anakin was a better pilot than Han ever was at 9. He's the only human who can podrace.
     
  16. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    We don't know but it's a safe bet that the Force empowered pilot will win. As a side note, given Kylo Ren is Anakin's grandson & Han's son perhaps that combination of lineage makes him better than either of them.
    He was...at the time of TPM. Maybe years later a young Han could too.
     
  17. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    Hard to fairly judge since Han largely piloted a freighter. But Vader is clearly superior.
     
  18. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    Clearly the Force is a big advantage, but it can't be impossible for a non-Force user to be a better pilot. Or a better swordsman for that matter.
     
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  19. Dandelo

    Dandelo Force Ghost star 7

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    Han, he has to be better at something right?

    having Vader being "the best eva!!" at everything is, well, kind of boring.

    that is my reverse logic and I'm sticking to it :p
     
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  20. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    BEN
    [Anakin] was the best star-pilot in
    the galaxy, and a cunning warrior.

    versus

    HAN
    Fast ship? You’ve never heard
    of the Millennium Falcon?
    BEN
    Should I have?

    However:

    JABBA
    Han, why you’re the best smuggler
    in the business.

    But Yoda would probably say "smuggling don't make one best pilot". ;)
     
  21. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Hard to say. In ONLY the Original Trilogy, we’ve only seen Han go up against Vader in ships once, during the Trench Run. I suppose Han would be good at fighting, if only strifing and getting away. Vader? Pure brute force: blast everything between him and his goal.

    And yes, I am aware that Han was alive during the events of the Prequels, he would’ve been fifteen by Revenge of the Sith. We never see him. Luke? He wasn’t even born until the final few scenes of Revenge of the Sith.
     
  22. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Hand of the Mod Squad and Enforcer of the Realm star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    How are we defining "better pilot"?
     
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  23. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Youngling star 2

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    As far as tactics, getting out of a seemingly unwinnable situation, air battles, innovation and leadership on their ships.
     
  24. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Hand of the Mod Squad and Enforcer of the Realm star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Still, the standard is different based on the ship a pilot is driving. For instance tactics and methods of piloting the Falcon is different than pioting a Star Destroyer. I am just wondering whether there is fair objective criteria we could use.
     
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  25. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I don't think there is a 100% fair way of Judging it, it's based on what we've seen who do we feel is better. It's just opinions, I really don't have an answer when it comes to who's a better between Vader and Han. I do believe in the PT, he's the best Pilot in the Rebellion. He was trusted with Leia's life and for being a smuggler no one knew was given the Rank of General based mostly on his skills as a Pilot.

    Han was always out numbered, going against Star Destroyer and several TIE Fighters. He used every method possible with a high amount of skill. He never had his ship destroyed, but had a superior ship despite looking like junk. Han also took on the Empire on his own, he didn't have other fighters with him.

    In the CT we see Vader's air generalship in the Battle of Yavin. In novels we read of his skills, but he had a whole Empire at his command, he wasn't the underdog. I look at the PT and Anakin always commanded a fleet or was with other fighters, but you can clearly see he was the best in those battles.


    The only thing I don't see as flying is pod racing, it's more like a Hoover Race Car Sport. It goes in the air for some time, but you don't fly it in Space or against other fighters.
     
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