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Saga Biblical References in Star Wars?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Brutus77, Jan 12, 2015.

  1. Brutus77

    Brutus77 Jedi Youngling

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    Hello my name is Brutus. Being a nerd I think everything has math involved. I've noticed a massive amount of references to the Bible. Obviously, the good book is a great place to get stories from.

    Please no hate mail for Christians. I'm also in love with Star Wars.

    Here we go (I have to decode the rest - everything is biblical)

    Forest moon of Endor - 1 Samuel (the witch of endor)

    Coruscant 9 letters
    Jerusalem 9 letters

    Totooine 8 letters
    Nazareth 8 letters

    Palpatine 9 letters
    Beelzebub 9 letters

    Darth Maul - the beast with 10 horns

    Rule of 2 - false prophet and the antichrist

    Anakin concieved by the Force
    The virgin Mary was inpregnated by the Holy Spirit.

    I doubt this is a coincidence since the entire film series is like this. I have a disability so it's hard to type.

    Any thoughts?

    George Lucas is a genius.


    Brutus
     
  2. Darth Vader's Chest Plate

    Darth Vader's Chest Plate Jedi Master star 2

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    Afterlife

    False prophet(s)

    Worship an idol - some of the upper ranking officers in relation to the Death Star, Ewoks are primative and mistake C3PO for a god

    Can Vader's death be viewed as sacrifice? Was his Mustafar experience a resurection?
     
  3. Brutus77

    Brutus77 Jedi Youngling

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    Well, I don't know. There are multiple endings to the film. In Return of the Jedi, in my version, Anakin is showen as a redeemed jedi master spirit (see robes and hair), but he had to be on his death bed to be saved. Anakin died and became Darth Vader. When darth vader died, Anakin came back. If darth vader can be saved in ths fictional movie there is hope for anyone.

    Brutus
     
  4. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    Fixed.
     
  5. Brutus77

    Brutus77 Jedi Youngling

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    I read the 1977 book called "Star Wars" and Ben Kenobi said he will become more powerful than Vader can imagine if he is struck down, but if Vader dies he ceases to exist. The second part of that was not in the film.

    Brutus
     
  6. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Luke trusted the Force when he torpedoed the Death Star, as David trusted God when he slung his stone at Goliath.
     
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  7. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  8. Darth Maaliss

    Darth Maaliss Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Eps IV to VI minimal references.
    Eps I to III many similarites as do all Messianic/Chosen Ones stories (eg Matrix). To be honest Star Wars didnt it at all.
     
  9. Han Burgundy

    Han Burgundy Jedi Master star 3

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    Good observations. I have always found it interesting to think of Anakin as a George Lucas "riff" of the Christ narrative. The messiah is born of virgin conception and demonstrates all the traits required to be "the chosen one", including a genuine selflessness and goodwill (as demonstrated in TPM). But unlike Jesus, who triumphed through the temptations of the broken human soul, Anakin eventually succumbs to them, and becomes a fallen messiah (If you want a glimpse of what this might have looked like in the context of Jesus, watch Scorsesse's Last Temptation of Christ. Beautiful movie.)

    When Obi Wan shouts "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them!" He's not merely yelling in anguish at a former friend. He's having a moment of severe religious breakdown. The man he had lifted up in faith as Messiah had completely and utterly failed. Of course, in the end Obi Wans original faith wasn't misplaced after all; Vader does destroy the Sith in a crucial act of self-sacrifice. Unlike Jesus, the act is an atonement for Vaders own sins as well as a gateway to freedom (indirectly) for the rest of the Galaxy.

    One could speculate at length about what George Lucas is trying to "say" by having a messianic figure who falls, becomes the villain, and in the end needs his own son to find his way again. It's fascinating to think about, but I don't have the mental fortitude at 11pm to go that far down the rabbit hole :p

    Star Wars as a whole, of course, pulls from a great number of religious narratives and cultural mythologies. It's that hodge-podge nature, in my opinion, that makes it such a potent modern myth in its own right. But, being a Christian man myself, I have to admit I'm particularly drawn to the Christ parallels.
     
  10. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    From earlier drafts of SW, and was also included in the prologue to the novelisation. Not a reference to any actual Biblical content to my knowledge, but certainly a Biblical-styled quote, complete with the chapter and verse. I'd be curious to know if the content does match up with anything from the Bible, or any other religious texts.
     
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  11. City Councilman Binks

    City Councilman Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    One of the lines i really dislike in Star Wars is this one delivered by Han:

    DECK OFFICER Your Tauntaun'll freeze before you
    reach the first marker.

    HAN Then I'll see you in hell!

    The concept of hell spans many religions and mythos, but it's very "biblical" and perhaps that's why I dislike that line, not that I am anti-bible it's that it's a little bit to close to home to be uttered by Han. I had the same reaction with Obi-Wan when he mentions that he is for "democracy".
     
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  12. MOC Vober Dand

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    I've always found that line to be slightly jarring as well. It shouldn't be really, as the whole saga is filled with earthly stuff - language, accents etc, but it just doesn't sound quite right somehow.
     
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  13. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I agree, but sometimes its fun to hear earth words in star wars. "Chewy give me the gun!" sounds a lot better than "Chewy hand me the blaster!" Would you rather hear "Younglings" rather than children? :p Even as a prequel defender that term makes me shudder.
     
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  14. enigmaticjedi

    enigmaticjedi Jedi Knight star 3

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    1) Redemption
    -- The selfless love of Luke freed Anakin from the snares of Palpatine's evil influence who is a symbol for the enemy. Sidious said the following: "By now you must know that your father can never be turned from the dark side." However, Luke proved this false. Instead, Luke's statement became true, "There is good in you. The Emperor hasn't driven it from you fully."

    2) Holy Spirit
    -- Yoda's speech from TESB can be seen as a metaphor for the Holy Spirit: "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere. Yes, even between the land and the ship."
     
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  15. Jo B1 Kenobi

    Jo B1 Kenobi Jedi Master star 2

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    I've often thought the force seems similar to the Holy Spirit too.
     
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  16. enigmaticjedi

    enigmaticjedi Jedi Knight star 3

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    Great minds think alike! That's one big reason why the OT resonanted with me.
     
  17. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    In the earliest versions of the Bible there was Abbadon who was at first a being then later a place then later removed. He was the Devil's right hand man but turned on him in the end throwing him into a pit. This was later changed to the archangel Michael who chained Satan to a rock and threw him in a pit for a thousand years. This is of course vader throwing Palpatine down the Death Star shaft.
     
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  18. Darth Schlotkin

    Darth Schlotkin Jedi Padawan star 2

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  19. -Jedi Joe-

    -Jedi Joe- Jedi Master star 2

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    Which is interesting as the duel was originally supposed to take place in the Emperor's Palace on the capital world "Had Abbadon" before GL put it on the Death Star.
     
  20. Darth_Nub

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    Excellent catch.
     
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  21. Jo B1 Kenobi

    Jo B1 Kenobi Jedi Master star 2

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    For me it was the first time I'd ever thought of anything spiritual at all. Before that I was a very concrete 7 year old with a leaning towards science and a mad love of all things NASA. (In fact I wore a toy space helmet almost full-time at home for over a year!) The idea of the force blew my mind. It was a paradigm shift for me which opened my thinking up to the possibility of faith. Now, as a Christian, I look back and see the similarities between the force and the Holy Spirit, it means even more. I will never forget being in the cinema, seven years old, and watching the Tantive IV fly past and then that HUGE star destroyer which just got bigger and bigger. Our Odean had massive speakers and the whole place shook. It was amazing - love at first sight!
     
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  22. Ananta Chetan

    Ananta Chetan Force Ghost star 5

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    The Force will be with you, always. -Obi-Wan

    I will be with you, always. -Jesus

    Just caught this one again the other day, Obi-Wan's last words to Luke in ANH after he destroys the DS and Jesus' last statement to his disciples.
     
  23. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And from Lenny Bruce:

    (Sorry, couldn't resist...)
     
  24. Ananta Chetan

    Ananta Chetan Force Ghost star 5

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    Both newborn Jesus and Luke were taken secretly to live in the desert in a distant land in fear that they would be discovered and killed by the Empire.

    John the Baptist and Qui-Gon Jinn both discovered and proclaimed the Chosen One and were met with skepticism from the prevailing spiritual figures of their time.
     
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  25. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    The Eastern traditions dominate Star Wars the most; countless Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh and Chinese mythology in the Saga. In fact, Hindu is the primary influence for the concept of the Force.

    Joseph Campbell noted all the philosophical stories/dilemmas came from India. For example, Yoda might as well of handed Luke a copy of the Bhagavad Gita in ESB instead of training him; Yoda is very much so assuming the role of Krishna.
     
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