Boba Fett, Jaster Mareel, and this Episode II SPOILER

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  1. Cowboy_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    I never once said that Lucas is a god, Lucas is not a god, but he is one of the most creative minds of this century and the one before. I have stated that I enjoy Dark Empire and almost all EU books and comics, I'm a big EU fan, and that I look at EU as a sperate universe. Read more carfully next time! ;)
  2. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    I've never understood that.A seperate universe. *shudders*


    But whatever floats your boat.
  3. Cowboy_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    A sperate universe is just a way to enjoy EU without having to worry about it working out. Like in Episode III if Boba Fett goes and lives with Aurra Sing on Tatooine and trains to become a bounty hunter with her, it's gonna screw up a lot of EU. But with my sperate universe thing, there is what is said and done in the movies and there is what is said and done in EU. You don't have to worry about EU getting screwed up!
  4. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    There is only one Star Wars "universe" (aside from the Infinities stuff), and everything that has the Star Wars label can be made to fit into that universe.
  5. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    Vader did bring Balance to the Force.

    By killing Palpatine, he allowed Luke to live.

    With Luke alive, Luke was able to train for 6 more years, and defeat the Reborn Emperor. You'll note, COwboy Jedi, that because Vader killed Palpatine at Endor, the Balance of the Force is still kept.
  6. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Very true.

    Also, if Vader hadn't killed Palpatine at that moment, Luke would have died, and the post-ROTJ Jedi Order would have probably never happened, and there would have been no chance to defeat the reborn Emperor.
  7. darth-skycrawler Jedi Master

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    The EU does not fit with the movies because the movies are constantly changing. It is not the authors error but they have been giving wrong information. The books can't agree whether Luke or Vader is stronger. In COPL luke gets beat by a force witch and he thinks that Vader could have done the same thing to him if he had been trying. Then in SOTE Vader goes on about how Luke is much more powerful done him. In this case which is true.

    Lucas said that Anakin brought balance by destroying the sith by your logic Han is the chosen one for shooting the tie which stopped Vader from luke killing Luke. This then allowed Luke to redeem his father. The chain could go back forever.

  8. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    By killing Palpatine at Endor,Anakin freed the Galaxy from the Dark Side's iron grip.The Empires hold on the Galaxy postEndor ,was never as strong as it was pre Endor.The light Side and the Dark Side were Balanced.Neither was too powerful.

    "In Dark Empire,the Light Side and he Dark Side were balanced.

    If Anakin hadn't killed Palpatine at Endor,him and the Emperor would've just escaped the Death Star before it blew,and come back with a regrouped Imperial Fleet to destroy the heavily damaged Alliance Fleet.

    Balance would never have restored and...well..there you go...

    There was Balance during DE. Neither the light sight nor the Dark Side were too powerful.It was Balanced. "

    Just restating what I said on the previous page. :p

    If GL felt that DE no longer agreed with his vision,he would have had DE deemed apochryal(sp?).
  9. darth-skycrawler Jedi Master

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    The problem is that Lucas said that it was the destroying of the sith that brought balance to the force and not the destruction of the empire. Lucas has said Anakin fufilled the prophecy by destroying palpatine and hence the sith. Anakin wiped the sith out not stopped them from ruling. The EU definately does not show enough respect to Vader. How could a nobody like Kyle be his equal with a lightsabre that is just plain stupid.
  10. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    Without the Empire,the Sith couldn't plunge the galaxy into darkness.That is how Anakin brought Balance.By destroying Palpatine at Endor,and dooming his Empire.

    The Sith could've gone for years ,minding their own business,and never have upset the Balance.Through their sceming they created the Empire which upset that Balance.It was a tool they used to plunge the Galaxy into darkness.

    When Vader killed Palpatine,he most certainly did bring Balance.It didn't matter that Palpatine returned.Balance had been restored.The Light side and the Dark Side were equal.

    Kyle is Vader's equal?Who said that?Kyle couldn't bring Balance o the Force.Only Anakin could.
  11. Cowboy_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    Now you say Anakin brought balance by destroying Palpatine and dooming his Empire. But George Lucas(the creator of Star Wars and it's characters) disagress with you.


    "The Sith are kinda of a menace to the Force. They destroy life, the Force creates life. And that is what causes the imbalance in the Force, if their are Sith alive in the galaxy the Force is imbalanced. So, basically the Force creates a son to destroy the Sith menace forever. And that's what Anakin does."--George Lucas

    "The prophecy of the Chosen One is basically Anakin Skywalker bringing balance back to the Force by destroying the Sith forever."--George Lucas

    "..Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy and bring balance to the Force, by destroying the Sith forever and getting rid of evil in the universe"--George Lucas

    "Anakin is the Chosen One, not Luke"--George Lucas
  12. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    "The Sith are kinda of a menace to the Force. They destroy life, the Force creates life. And that is what causes the imbalance in the Force, if their are Sith alive in the galaxy the Force is imbalanced. So, basically the Force creates a son to destroy the Sith menace forever. And that's what Anakin does."--George Lucas "

    Yes and how did Palpatine destroy life?

    With his Empire ,right?

    Think.
  13. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    Lucas says alot of stuff,btw.

    If Lucas really felt it contradicted his vision he could have it deemed apochryal.
  14. Cowboy_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    Yeah, he's not gonna do that though because little fan boys like you would kill themselves if he did that.

    "Yes and how did Palpatine destroy life?

    With his Empire ,right?

    Think."

    You need to think, the Sith aren't ever coming back after ROTJ, Lucas said it.
  15. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Well, regardless, we have all brought up evidence to shoot down any claims you have of the EU not being continuous with the movies. There are no errors; any "errors" you find are merely the product of your not doing sufficient research on the subject.
  16. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    tsk tsk Cowboy.

    And you boy?What do you think you are?You are a SW fanboy.

    You adhere religously to every word of George Lucas's.You're just as guilty.

  17. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Hey Trias, could you help me out a bit on the Classic Trilogy forum? In the "REMINDER" thread, some people are unconvinced that LFL's "EU=canon" policy overrides Sansweet's quotes on the subject.
  18. Sturm Antilles Former Manager

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    <<The problem is that Lucas said that it was the destroying of the sith that brought balance to the force and not the destruction of the empire. Lucas has said Anakin fufilled the prophecy by destroying palpatine and hence the sith. Anakin wiped the sith out not stopped them from ruling. The EU definately does not show enough respect to Vader. How could a nobody like Kyle be his equal with a lightsabre that is just plain stupid. >>

    The Jedi also thought the Sith to be extinct 2 seperate times before. So for now, they are all but gone...

    Lucas is also having the Jedi Knights be "destroyed" in Episode III. Does that mean they're gone forever? No. Nothing is contradicted unless Lucas says Dark Empire is apocryphal and no Sith can ever exist beyond ROTJ.

    And as for Kyle...suspend your disbelief. Maybe you'll enjoy the stories more.
  19. Cowboy_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    But Lucas did say that no Sith can exist after ROTJ.

    "The Sith are kinda of a menace to the Force. They destroy life, the Force creates life. And that is what causes the imbalance in the Force, if their are Sith alive in the galaxy the Force is imbalanced. So, basically the Force creates a son to destroy the Sith menace forever. And that's what Anakin does."--George Lucas

    "The prophecy of the Chosen One is basically Anakin Skywalker bringing balance back to the Force by destroying the Sith forever."--George Lucas

    "..Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy and bring balance to the Force, by destroying the Sith forever and getting rid of evil in the universe."--George Lucas

    "Anakin brings balance to the Force, by destroying the Emperor and the last of the Sith with him on the second Death Star, the Sith are gone forever, because that's the whole pupose of bringing balance to the Force and that's what it means: to destroy the Sith forever."--George Lucas

    What do you not understand? If Lucas says that Sith cannot exist after ROTJ then those are the facts, even if it makes Dark Empire into AU. Lucas could careless what the EU says, only what is said and done in the movies are canon.

    Who created Star Wars? George Lucas
    Who says that the Sith can no longer exist and never come back after ROTJ? George Lucas
  20. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    You keep bringing up the same points, and none of them are valid at all. Come back when you've got some real evidence.
  21. Valiento Jedi Grand Master

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    could you give links to sites, and bibilioagraphies to your refrences?

    If lucas said to commit suicide to show your love to star wars, would you do it(just because you think he's canon)?
  22. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Besides, is that Lucas quote in the movies? If not, then that quote isn't canon. :)
  23. Sturm Antilles Former Manager

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    Same old, same old...

    You can't take everything Lucas says so literally. If the existence of Sith unbalanced the Force, then the Force would have been wobbling back and forth from the time of 5000 years before ANH all the way until the Rise of the Empire Era.

    What line did we get in TPM?

    "You refer to the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the Force".

    Therefore, only the Chosen One can bring balance. If balance was disrupted before ( due to the existence of Sith ), how could it have been balanced back if only the Chosen One did it? I don't think Anakin is 5000 years old.

    As for Lucas saying "destroying the Sith menace forever", he's just pulling that line out of his @$$. He could have said anything, but he happened to word it that way. If you go by the 6-part series of films, yeah, they're dead and gone when Palpatine is thrown down the shaft.

    If you go by the EU, Palpatine returns and dies, and Lumiya and her apprentice(s) cause some trouble before going into hiding. The dead spirit of Exar Kun also causes trouble for the Jedi Praxeum, and Rogue Squadron and Kyle Katarn encounter hidden Sith temples on various worlds.

    And George Lucas approves these things. So unless he says that the stories are apocryphal, you can't go by his exact word all the time...especially if nothing is directly contradicted. Which in this case is not.
  24. Cowboy_Jedi Jedi Youngling

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    No, I'd tell Lucas to **** off.

    Let me ask you guys a question. What are you gonna do if Boba Fett's history can't be "worked out"?

    Here's the list of why these books are not canon (or why they suck):

    Bounty Hunter Trilogy: Boba died in the sarlacc pit damn it!

    Shadows of the Empire: For one it steals so much stuff from the original trilogy. Secondly if something like this happened we would have heard about it in the RotJ starting roll-over. Very fake indeed.

    Truce at Bakura: The chances of the rebels receiving an Imperial message from a planet in trouble seems starnge. Especially since a lot of imperial stuff was destroyed. The chances of them receiving it the day after RotJ is just impossible. Also if they wanted to help one planet out at a time, they would have started with Endor instead because they needed to get rid of the Ewoks.

    X-Wing Series: There is nothing to impossible about these. The best I can say is that the Imperials wouldn't have been able to have this many battles after their huge loss at Endor.

    Courtship of Leia-Honestly, winning a planet in a card game? I don't think so.

    Thrawn Series-All of the 5 Thrawn books are now useless thanks to the fact that clone wars will be nothing like they are in these books. Also Leia has twins. Sound familiar?

    Jedi Academy Series (and I, Jedi)- The force is not detected by whether or not you have a blue aura. It is detected by midi-chlorians.

    The 2 Humbly Novels-The odds of this crap happening are pretty good. If you change everyone out of character. Example: Luke loves those dead women Also they spend too much time involving those little Han-Leia kid things.

    Darksaber: Most of this comes from the JA trilogy. Still I have the Essential Chronology. Just take a look at that picture. That is a good enough reason why it is not canon.

    The New Rebellion: Once again you could just look at the pictures in the chrono and see why.

    The Black Fleet Crisis: Supposedly half the book is about Luke trying to find who his Mom was. She is not anything close to who she really is.(This one just might take the cake)

    The Correlian Trilogy: Corellia is being ruled by one evil man. Han's half brother! The chances of this are the same as someone saying Pauly Shore is Shakespeare

    The New Jedi Order: Tons of your favorite made-up characters are back. Including the very boring Mara Jade. Yes, She marries Luke. Sure she married the same person she wanted to kill earlier but hey this is the EU we are talking about. Also this series main attractions are the solo-organa kids! Watch as they go into space without a suit, have a tea party, destroy 14 star destroyers, and wrestle with Boba Fett. All with their bare hands and in only 15 min!

  25. Matthew Trias Force Ghost

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    Hmm..well you sound like the movie critics that bash Star Wars by nit picking every little thing.

    Not even gonna bother answering you.

    BTW ...Lando is the chosen one.Think about it.The Empire wouldn't be able to fight back you said,after losing such a large battle at Endor.Therefore Lando is the chosen one.
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