Lit CAD BANE IS DUROS... AND SHEEV'S ALL THAT - The Lit Forum Social Thread, v2.0

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Master_Keralys, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. _Catherine_ Force Ghost

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  2. Revanfan1 Chosen One

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    Wait...are we talking novels novels, or, like, kid's books?
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    I'm expecting no fewer than 18265 Frozen kids' books, given how many books showed up for Tangled and Brave.

    Those weren't novels though.
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    Kids books of course. It's compared to snother book series which has books for kids ranging 6-9 at a length of about 130 pages.

    But what else were you expecting?
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    Rats, when you said novels I got my hopes up. :p
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    Given how everyone besides me seems to adore Matt Stover, should he write a Frozen novel?
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    There are a ton of illustrated books already.

    "A Sister More Like Me" is amazing and is what made me decide Elsa was my favorite Disney Princess. It takes place between the years of the films, which is cool.

    And it's online to read. Handy! http://imgur.com/a/R7snZ

    Haven't read any of the others.

    Edit: oh man a Stover Frozen book. The battle between Elsa and the soldiers would be SO GOOD.
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    First the bit in Kenobi, now this.
  12. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Sigh


    Next we'll see it in newspapers. I just can't escape.
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    "We can't work with him, he just refuses to stop singing".
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    But do we know if Arendelle will have any revolution in 1848? For all we know it will be overshadowed by the Mountain king – Swedish-Norway alliance and their united attack on Arendelle?
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  17. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    So the first chapter of the Frozen book is available as a preview. After I got over the staccato simple sentences (reading YA books like Percy Jackson was challenge enough; these kids books might seriously test my tolerance), I thought it only vaguely interesting. I can imagine they probably won't get into anything too controversial like revolutions, judging by the simplistic sentiment that a monarch should be just like everybody else and that royal anthems are boring. Dammit Disney, if you're going to be encouraging monarchism you can't be doing things like this! Your movies make it clear that aristocrats are finer than commoners, your books should follow through. Let's have none of this bourgeois "woman of the people" stuff -- that's fine for Anna but it does not suit Elsa.

    Disappointing.

    I did take the random Stover comment from yesterday to mind though, and I'm rereading Heroes Die for the first time in years. I last read it maybe 7 or 8 years ago (if not more) and I'm a more sophisticated reader now so it'll be interesting. We'll see if I can be bothered to continue past BoT, since I basically quit at CBK last time.
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    My barbarian ancestry may show but I think that Elsa does want to be a "woman of the people", she doesn't want to close any gates anymore. The first chapter acknowledged that you can't just walk to people and be an Anna if you are not like that. Her not-that-cheerful "Are you ready?" at the end of the movie was forced but showed that she wants to be liked.

    Actually she reminds me of how I tried to go into student parties with the attitude "I'm going to have fun!" and how I came back home early counting how much I saved on alcohol.
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    I guess. There is a pattern in that chapter where Elsa tries to get the peasants not to treat her with awe and formality but it doesn't really work. Anna, on the other hand, has the common touch and can get then to open up.

    Hopefully the lesson at the end of it is that Elsa should stop trying to chum around with the proletarians and should realize that she's better than them. After all, she's supposed to be true to herself, right?
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  22. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    See, I was actually thinking more of Stover's original work than ROTS. The freezing described in visceral (literally!) detail, the brutality of the winter and its effect on starving children, etc. He holds nothing back. Maybe his Elsa doesn't either, actually brutally slaying Weaseltown's guards with jagged spears of ice (dripping with frozen but not yet congealed blood) -- but coming to deeply regret it. Lots of mental anguish over what she's become.


    And of course the whole thing about the weather being a philosophical allegory -- the pathetic fallacy writ large -- about Elsa's turmoil from having come from what is effectively a broken home. He'd take an already dark intro and make it darker yet. But it's not just grim dark because there would be a good reason for it; a lot of his narrative comes with subtext and meta commentary.
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    Yes, but whenever someone mentions Stover writing someone then parodying the second-person thing is obligatory. :p
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    In part it's reflective of JMS only having the film rights to B5, WB own the TV rights - I suspect he'd try for TV if he had those. It is, to me, a highly risky gambit at best.

    That's one big danger - B5 worked, in part, due to the mosaic effect of the plot gradually building up, building up the viewer's knowledge of the races, the politics and history and then, at the same time, the Shadows ignite the pressure points. I don't see any way for a movie to replicate it.

    The other problem is casting - I can't see any actors replicating the lightning in a bottle that was Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik and JMS'd be foolish to try to.

    This could easily end up JMS' PT.

    EDIT: My copy of Assail is in the post! [face_dancing] Now all I have to do is read Blood and Bone.

    EDIT 2: For those in the know, I only just caught up with the news. For those who don't know to what it refers, this will be incomprehensible:

    Over at #22 Bro!
    Second OHC bro? Yeah, bro.
    You going to buy it, bro? Oh yeah, Bro.
    When it's out, bro? Dunno, bro.
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    Love is more than a candle.
    Love can unfreeze the ice.
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