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  1. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Oh, Lucas definitely didn't--it was just WEG being all Curtis Saxton about it.
     
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  2. Iron_lord

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    Which might be why he was so much more snide about WEG than other EU works - they were doing the same things he did, but "not doing them right".
     
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  3. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Just checked. The 1st edition entry for "STAR DESTROYER" doesn't say anything about different versions.

    Though, unrelatedly, it does say they perform "escort duties for larger ships (dreadnaughts and Super Star Destoyers) while in fleet battle formation." (Emphasis added.) Interesting.
     
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  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    ...what.

    dammit Saxtonites, where did you get a Delorean?!
     
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  5. Iron_lord

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    Might be a reference to the 2+ km Corporate Sector Authority dreadnaught, which appears in the Han Solo books, some time before that Guide came out.
     
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  6. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Also "dreadnaught" is a pretty generic ship type. If anything it hurts Saxtonites because it mentions them and SSDs are if they're different things.
     
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  8. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No, no, no, Cooper. SSDs are *Star Dreadnoughts*! Completely different!
     
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  9. Iron_lord

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    "Dreadnaught" is better than "Dreadnought"

    Because Dreadnaught means "Afraid of nothing."

    Whereas Dreadnought means "Afraid of the number zero." :D
     
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  10. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    When did SSD's become Star Dreadnaughts? I was looking on Wookieepedia a while back and was a bit confused by that.
     
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  11. Iron_lord

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    When Saxton started writing:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Dreadnought

    The designation "Star Dreadnought" was first explicitly used in Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross-Sections for the Mandator-class, and the Executor-class was given the designation in Inside the Worlds of Star Wars Trilogy.
     
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  12. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Thanks. Must have missed that part of the article.
     
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  13. Iron_lord

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    Interestingly, the recent reprint of the ICS series, Complete Vehicles, cuts out references to the Mandator - at least from the Acclamator article:
     
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  14. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    No, that's dreadnought, which is actually pretty specific. There is only one real life ship called Dreadnaught, and it is some stupid tugboat I really really hope fleets of Star Destroyers don't escort tugboats.

    Weird enough that "Dreadnaught" became a thing in the EU, but it's curious that its first mention as a generic term also using the poor spelling.
     
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  16. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Neither of which had anything to do with the generic term dreadnought, which described a particular type of battleship rather than a bunch of ships with the same name. There is no generic dreadnaught, and certainly not a genericized term for tugboat :p
     
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  17. Force Smuggler

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    Hmm. Interesting. Ships and stuff isn't my forte in SW but am willing to learn more about them.
     
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  18. Iron_lord

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    HMS Dreadnought (1906) was the reason "dreadnought' became a generic term.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought
    Several ships and one submarine of the Royal Navy have borne the name HMS Dreadnought in the expectation that they would "dread nought", i.e. "fear nothing, but God"

    However "naught" for "nothing" seems to me much more usual than "nought".
     
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  19. CooperTFN

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    This is why I'm not a Fleet Junkie.
     
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  20. Iron_lord

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    Did it at least refer to them as Imperial-class?
     
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  21. AdmiralNick22

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    I am tempted, but you know I am a Mon Cal cruiser guy. I like my curves. :p

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  22. Zorrixor

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    Clearly the Executor was nothing more than the Death Star's tugboat. [face_idea]
     
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  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Well, not the ship specifically but its set of main guns along the centerline creating a design revolution in battleships which had previously distributed armaments alongside different areas of the ship, of vastly different weights and grades. Then they were followed by the superdreadnoughts which were the mainstay of the Grand Fleet during WWI (think of the Queen Elizabeth class of 15-inch guns), ships which followed the same design philosophy but would have blown earlier dreadnoughts out of the water. I like the superdreadnoughts in particular, because I like to use that example against Saxonites who insist that "Super Star Destroyer" is a colloquialism without realizing that dreadnought is too, and especially superdreadnought.

    By the end of the war, all battleships followed the principles of the Dreadnought's design so the term reverted to battleship again. Thus, the last four remaining battleships on earth aren't actually called dreadnoughts at all. Their fast battleship design is -- though -- a bit of a departure from other contemporary WWII battleships.

    Yes, and it is. The reason that the ship uses the latter name is because of the Royal Navy practice of reusing ship names -- Dreadnought used an archaic spelling intentionally, and that's what the genericized term adopted as well. That's why I laugh whenever I see people spell it dreadnaught in an attempt to be correct spellers, because their zeal to be accurate leads them in the opposite direction.
     
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  24. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    They still do make the cut in the Commerce Guild Support Destroyer (Recusant-class) section,with 1,000 of them being equal to a Mandator-II Star Dreadnaught. Of course mentioned in EGTW as well.

    There is also a superdreadnought mentioned in SWTOR in refernce to the largely unseen Star of Coruscant.

    It really like the term dreadnaught/dreadnought being used in the SW universe, just as happy with battleship too. The more the merrier. Can never go wrong with learning more about Star War technical and military topics :)
     
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  25. Vthuil

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    You can if it's Saxton teaching you.
     
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