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  1. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Dec 14, 2000
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    We've got major payback credit left before the Cricketing wrongs Australia have inflicted upon New Zealand are depleted.

    Chappels, remember.

  2. Chansplace Jedi Padawan

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    Jan 2, 2001
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    thru to the finals! woohoo! :D
  3. SithForceLord Jedi Knight

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    Jul 2, 2001
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    ARE WE?!



    w00t!!!

    does a dance:

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  4. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Dec 14, 2000
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    While I'm not particularly happy about the way we made the finals, why is it acceptable for Australia to bend the rules to their advantage, but it's not fair when another team stoops to that level?

    Some snippets from NZ Press today;


    But if that incident had anything to do with New Zealand's decision on Friday night, the tourists have done themselves a disservice.

    Australia have long insisted on their right to play to the letter of the law and, as a result, their test and one-day international history is sprinkled with occasions in which they have ended up embarrassing both themselves and the game.

    Apart from the underarm incident there was the 1999 World Cup go-slow [where Aussie played at less than their ability to contrive the points standings]...

    In that instance, Australia, having assured themselves of a win against the West Indies, went on a go-slow at Old Trafford to ensure they won by as little as possible.

    On that occasion there was no doubt Australia were going to qualify for the next round.

    Rather it was just that they would have been able to carry through more points if the West Indies had made it instead of New Zealand.


    ...and the more recent occasion in the first test at Brisbane, when they saved the game only because McGrath bowled so wide of off and leg stump that the batsmen had little recourse.

    It is not a case of being hard-nosed or ruthless, it is a case of being cowardly.

    People who act like this should not be emulated but scorned.

    The trouble is, by stooping just as low [as Australia] at the Waca on Friday night, New Zealand unwittingly signalled their acceptance of the win-at-all-costs attitude, and subsequently sullied the game further.


    Former international umpire and Australian Cricket Board chairman Col Egar said the more complicated the rules and format for the game, the more potential there was for matches to be manipulated.

    "The more you introduce artificial rules to a competition, the more chance there is to have contrived, unusual or even silly results."

    Fleming believes the bonus point rule should be discarded, admitting that he felt "empty" after exploiting the system to his team's advantage.

    "We were extremely disappointed," he said.

    "We'd exhausted all other avenues of getting through to the finals, but these are the rules and we're going to use them.

    "I don't particularly like it, but if it gets you through to the finals and gives you a chance to win, then it's purely about us and our survival."

    Pollock was not quite as adamant but still gave the format the thumbs down, saying: "You can understand what's behind it, but at the end of the day I think you should just reward teams for winning."

    Ironically, the only voice to be heard calling for the bonus point to be retained was that of Australian captain Steve Waugh, whose team stood to suffer the most damage if Fleming's ploy worked overnight.




    However all things considered, Australia had every opportunity to get to the finals by winning more games. NZ beat them in 3 of the 4 prelim matches. Had Australia not played so poorly, their fate would have been entirely in their own hands, and they have no-one to blame (for being in the situation the found themselves) but themselves.
  5. SWNZ Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 27, 2000
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    I don't really care, you play by the rules (and we did) and we came out on top. I think the two best teams are in the finals and I am totally looking forward to it. :D
  6. farmboynz Jedi Youngling

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    Jul 19, 2001
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    Finally got one back on the Aussies, all within the rules

    so good on Mr Fleming & the team for making the finals

    First game wednesday from the MCG
  7. SithForceLord Jedi Knight

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    Jul 2, 2001
    star 6
    I take it we are playing SA.

    //has only heard "we are in the finals"//
  8. Chansplace Jedi Padawan

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    well, I'm going out to watch the final, cos I dont have sky here at home. Humble, my dear sherrif, take care of this lot while i'm gone :)
  9. SithForceLord Jedi Knight

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    Jul 2, 2001
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    was watching some of it at nana's when there for farewell dinner.


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  10. SWNZ Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 27, 2000
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    Dammit Nash you're a dumby! Go back to kindy and learn to run! Alas we still have another chance but Sydney looks a mare at the moment. [face_plain]
  11. Chansplace Jedi Padawan

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    now you see why SA wanted to play us in the final. Give the black caps a chance, and they fluff it. Still, have faith in the boys, they may come back yet.
  12. SithForceLord Jedi Knight

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  13. SWNZ Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 27, 2000
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    First game against the poms tomorrow!!!! Prolly no Bond and Parore has been dropped. [face_plain]
  14. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Bond may be out for 6 weeks.

    They've got some new speedster in;

    He has taken just one wicket in two State Shield matches and it cost him 99 runs.

    But Ian Butler is being primed to spearhead the New Zealand attack in the first one-day international against England in Christchurch tomorrow.


    [face_plain]

    I hate it when Parore gets dropped for the one-dayers. It happens every season, and it takes until he shows brilliance in the tests for him to be reinstated.

    I can see what they're doing - bringing Nevin in to bat, as out top to mid order's been pretty awful in the VB series.

    And if you're bringing in a batter who can keep, the logical person to drop is the current keeper...



  15. Chansplace Jedi Padawan

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    Jan 2, 2001
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    no bondy? hmmmm...

    bring back Doully I say, seemed to do all right in the ND vs england game.

    we'll just have to wait and see if the new line up can handle it.

    Tempted to head down to Jade Stadium to watch... oh yeah, I got no money :(


  16. Chansplace Jedi Padawan

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  17. Darth_Graal Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 19, 2001
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    Definitely no cricket today!
  18. SWNZ Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 27, 2000
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    I want constant weather updates from all Christchurch residents please!
  19. Darth_Graal Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 19, 2001
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    The forecast for christchurch!!

    Gentle showers developing into heavy showers with exceptionally high possibility of heavy rain expected this morning, drizzle in early afternoon forming further showers and more rain late in the day

    Bl00dy SFL's gone and brought the auckland rain with Him!!
  20. farmboynz Jedi Youngling

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    Jul 19, 2001
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    Graal just to report on the Auckland Weather now SFL has left
    Nice and Sunny
  21. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Check this out!

    [link=http://www.tokaanuskihire.co.nz/simon/spreydonweather.htm]Christcurch Weather, in too much detail[/link]!

    [image=http://www.tokaanuskihire.co.nz/simon/HandCam.jpg]

    And [link=http://www.mantrack.co.nz/webcam/webcam.cgi]here's Auckland[/link];

    [image=http://www.mantrack.co.nz/webcam/publishmedia20020213101016.jpg]
  22. Enapie Jedi Youngling

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    Jan 23, 2002
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    It's all SFL's fault, we had 32 degrees down here on Monday and as soon as he arrives the weather turns nasty :mad:
  23. Darth_Graal Jedi Padawan

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    Nov 19, 2001
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    Damn straight! you tell em enapie!! statistics show that auckland has far more rain than christchurch!!
    And It was 32 degrees on monday!!
  24. Chansplace Jedi Padawan

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    Jan 2, 2001
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    weather report: 11:34 am:

    Raining. [face_plain]
  25. Enapie Jedi Youngling

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    Jan 23, 2002
    star 1
    Weather Report: 11.51

    Not raining :) Ground is starting to dry.
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