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Can Vader Sense Sidious Smiling

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by MASTER_DOODOO, May 4, 2006.

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  1. MASTER_DOODOO

    MASTER_DOODOO Jedi Padawan star 4

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    after Sidious tells him about Padme? You'd think that Vader would go ape on Sidious.
     
  2. LORDVIGILANCE

    LORDVIGILANCE Jedi Youngling star 4

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    No. I would think that Vader would be too overwhelmed with grief to care in the slightest what Palpatine was doing or thinking. Vader knew then that he was played for a fool however, he couldn't really do anything about it. He was too weak to directly confront his master so he just had to wait for that perfect moment.

    I'm sure though, if anything, he could feel Palpatine's pleasure in the Force. No doubt by seeing the rage and anger that survived his little encounter on Mustafar.
     
  3. Carnage04

    Carnage04 Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think that at this point Vader is totally thinking of himself..he doesn't care what Sidious is feeling. He only cares about Vader. He is angry at Palps for screwing him over though. If you havn't read the RoTS Novel yet, I highly recommend it. Vader's first moments in the suit are awesome. Here would be part of it that has to do with Palpatine.

    And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can re­member where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.
    In the end, you do not even want to.

    Onscreen, seeing the iconic suit was great. In the novel, Stover really gets into what Vader is thinking and it is chilling.

    Carnage
     
  4. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Palpatine is smiling because he knows that he has Vader, regardless of his injuries, he still has a worthy Apprentice. He is still consumed by his anger and hate. He has not gone back. He will remain as his Apprentice. Palpatine didn't lie, he told the truth as he understood it. Vader didn't care. All that he cared about was that he lost her and now all he has left is power.
     
  5. MASTER_DOODOO

    MASTER_DOODOO Jedi Padawan star 4

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    That's pretty cool. Thanks for sharing that. For me, it seemed like Vader crushing all that room was a pretty awesome display of power. But most seem to think that it's a sign of the weakened state he's in. Interesting.
     
  6. AJSkywalker

    AJSkywalker Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ok just a wee eensy weensy tiny bit off topic but... I think alot more powerful than the suit is when they are putting him into it. You can sense his anger and pain as he thrashes around. It's scary.

    Bravo George!
     
  7. Obi-Chron

    Obi-Chron Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, Vader is anguished at the death of his beloved Padme. He slips deeper still into dispair as he hear's that he killed her.

    He was supposed to save her from death . . . . all revolved around this.

    She was to rule by his side . . . . their children heirs to the galactic throne.

    His eternal love for her was overcome by a black hole of consumate greed and power -- the dark side.

    Darkness is all that is left. His soul, the essence of what remains of his love, Anakin's love, rushes out from the black armored prison of Vader's suit with a gutteral, slow and desperate scream of pain.

    His hate is all that remains -- hate of the Jedi, whose rules held him back, kept him from Padme. Hate of Obi-Wan, the enemy, the one who enraged him to the point where he fatally wounded the one he so completely loved and live for. Hate of himself, and for what he had become. Love, caring, friendship and Jedi altruism did this to him -- to her!

    The birth of Darth Vader was not in Palpatine's office. It was not in the Jedi Temple. And it did not occur amidst the hellish, burning bowels of Mustafar. The 'birth' of Darth Vader happened in the psychological darkness of that moment when he learned of Padme's incomprehensible fate. The moan of dispair crushed any shred of goodness left in Vader's already hardened, blackened heart. His anger and consumate anguish extinguished all but hate and rage.

    Sidious smiles, for he knows! He knows the black shell that stands before him has been purged of its last shred of good and filled with a most deadly, uncaring, selfless evil. Sidious has his Sith apprentice -- the chosen one -- and he has him right where he wanted him all along -- alone, and serving by his side.

    EDIT: eliminated duplication errors - doh!
     
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