...and whilst you dig out your references for a 30k year old earth, I'd like to touch ever so briefly on your statement: Things like the 2nd Law of thermodynamics (A natural Scientific law that applies to absolutely everything) are thrown out the window JUST for [the big bang] to occur. ummmm - what? In a closed system, entropy will increase with time. The universe began in a compact, highly organized state. That is the 2nd law of thermodynamics and big bang theory respectivly. Where is the contradiction? Please, ppor.